Mega Thread Non-Freo AFL Discussion 2024 Part 2

[#1JohnHuttonFan]

They’re not going to play a PF at Kardinia, come on

They made us play a qualifying final down there.


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[james haish]

They made us play a qualifying final down there.


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QF is not as big as PF

 

[freo84]

Hayden Skipworth

Hayden Skipworth

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41

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177cm

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78kg

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14.3

4star

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7.8

3star

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6.5

4star

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3.8

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2.4

4star

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8.0

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5.8

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the new Eagles coach?

 

[Wray27]

Hayden Skipworth the new Eagles coach?

Source?

 

[freo1997]

Hayden Skipworth the new Eagles coach?

Bottom of the barrel type of stuff

 

[freo84]

Source?

I heard it on the radio

 

[Docker82]

Definitely agree on the stupidity of the pick but I reckon you're going to have to admit defeat on the McDonald is still really good in the next few years. Dont remember to many top ones being sent down back due to lack of impact up front. The competitiveness just isnt there.

McDonald was never lacking impact up forward, especially for a fourth year player. He was sent back in what is perhaps one of the dumbest moves Longmire has ever made because Sydney were short on KPDs and didn’t trust their depth. I can’t remember who their opposition was but they basically lost a game because of it.

Anyway the point is only partly how good McDonald is now. It was obvious who the better player was between McDonald and Phillips from day one and remains that way - that’s what really makes the pick really really bad both at the time and in hindsight.

Even if McDonald doesn’t improve at all he still makes most teams in the competition. Phillips is barely getting a game at North playing a position/s where it’s far easier to get a game.

 

[BStaff17]

Bottom of the barrel type of stuff

Jarrod Schofield credentials have taken a hit being a caretaker.

If Simmo was punted at end of season.

Schofield probably get the gig.

That Carlton loss is a killer they were pathetic for such a winnable game

 

[Dockeroo]

It’s a generational miss IMO considering how obvious it was from the very second North Melbourne used that selection.

At the time Ugle-Hagan, Thilthorpe and McDonald were the best three prospects by a long, long way.

It’s up there with drafting Richard Tambling instead of Lance Franklin except if Franklin was a top 6-7 KPF in the league (still think McDonald will be that) rather than an all time great. It’s a truly terrible selection by a club trying to be too clever for its own good.

I can pick out a heap of draft selections in the last decade or so alone that were worse. Far far worse.

• macasey over Young/serong
• Dylan Stephens over young/serong
• mcCartin over petracca
• Billings over Bont
• paddy Dow over LDU
• Schache instead of Curnow/Mckay
• north selected Will Walker at 23 in 2017. In the following 10 picks, Tim Kelly, Ryan, Sam Taylor, Daniels, Fritsch, Balta, Tom McCartin were all picked. All much superior to Logan McD. You wanna hang shit on north for a bad draft pick? - there’s one right there.

Also comparing Lance Franklin in the same breath as Logan mcdonald, you know better that that lol

The point is Logan is a league average footballer at best. He’s not generational or a superstar, or even an AA level player. He’s not a huge miss.
Thats the point. Missing out on gun players hurts at draft time in retrospect.
Picking a C grader instead of a D grader doesn’t hurt near as much.

 

[Ge3ks]

McDonald was never lacking impact up forward, especially for a fourth year player. He was sent back in what is perhaps one of the dumbest moves Longmire has ever made because Sydney were short on KPDs and didn’t trust their depth. I can’t remember who their opposition was but they basically lost a game because of it.

It was their round 20 loss to the Bulldogs. Melican was subbed off injured in the 2nd qtr and McDonald was thrown down back to cover.

 

[DragoDelph]

It was their round 20 loss to the Bulldogs. Melican was subbed off injured in the 2nd qtr and McDonald was thrown down back to cover.

I think he also started back against the Pies, and swung forward late in the game.

 

[Ge3ks]

I think he also started back against the Pies, and swung forward late in the game.

Absolutely bonkers that Hamling never got a game in 2024. So many times he could have come in.

Longmire's an idiot. Sydney could have finished on top of the ladder... oh wait.

 

[Cam Payne]

Anyone know if Hayden Skipworth

Hayden Skipworth

Age

41

Ht

177cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.3

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.2

2star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.4

4star

has ever been sacked from any job before, or if he's about to take on a job that will lead to his first sacking?

 

[FreoRicci]

McDonald was never lacking impact up forward, especially for a fourth year player. He was sent back in what is perhaps one of the dumbest moves Longmire has ever made because Sydney were short on KPDs and didn’t trust their depth. I can’t remember who their opposition was but they basically lost a game because of it.

Anyway the point is only partly how good McDonald is now. It was obvious who the better player was between McDonald and Phillips from day one and remains that way - that’s what really makes the pick really really bad both at the time and in hindsight.

Even if McDonald doesn’t improve at all he still makes most teams in the competition. Phillips is barely getting a game at North playing a position/s where it’s far easier to get a game.

Plus Phillips is a shorter player. He’s limited to midfield and maybe half back. Shocking selection

 

[Taylor]

I think North Melbourne needed to have some wins off field, so they picked the player who could/would/should impact immediately and get headlines of hope out there over the player who might not debut for years.

 

[Ge3ks]

I think North Melbourne needed to have some wins off field, so they picked the player who could/would/should impact immediately and get headlines of hope out there over the player who might not debut for years.

Well they can tick that box now.

 

[Taylor]

Insert "we got him" gif

 

[anchor man]

I see Geelong still aren’t playing their home final down in Geelong. Even after the revamp. They really did try to screw us in that qualifying final the AFL didn’t they.


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The VFL did, not Geelong.
I think the Golden Greek and his side kick Little Addy Anderson were in charge of that, The GG hated Freo.

 

[anchor man]

Well they can tick that box now.
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I hope someone at North knows how to turn the lights on for him.

 

[Docker82]

I can pick out a heap of draft selections in the last decade or so alone that were worse. Far far worse.

• macasey over Young/serong
• Dylan Stephens over young/serong
• mcCartin over petracca
• Billings over Bont
• paddy Dow over LDU
• Schache instead of Curnow/Mckay
• north selected Will Walker at 23 in 2017. In the following 10 picks, Tim Kelly, Ryan, Sam Taylor, Daniels, Fritsch, Balta, Tom McCartin were all picked. All much superior to Logan McD. You wanna hang shit on north for a bad draft pick? - there’s one right there.

Also comparing Lance Franklin in the same breath as Logan mcdonald, you know better that that lol

The point is Logan is a league average footballer at best. He’s not generational or a superstar, or even an AA level player. He’s not a huge miss.
Thats the point. Missing out on gun players hurts at draft time in retrospect.
Picking a C grader instead of a D grader doesn’t hurt near as much.

I thought Tambling was a pretty good comparison for Phillips tbh. Still do hence why I originally said Buddy except a good player rather than all time great.

McDonald is better than a C Grader even now. C Graders don’t kick 30 goals in a season - that’s an above average KPF even when you ignore everything else he does and that he’s in his fourth year.

I actually think this is worse at the time than any of the picks you’ve stated tbh. Everyone except North had McDonald ahead of Phillips - those picks you’ve said are either 50/50 or were always happening the way they did. My point is more about how obvious it was from day one - Hindsight doesn’t even need to come into it IMO.

 

[Dockeroo]

I thought Tambling was a pretty good comparison for Phillips tbh. Still do hence why I originally said Buddy except a good player rather than all time great.

McDonald is better than a C Grader even now. C Graders don’t kick 30 goals in a season - that’s an above average KPF even when you ignore everything else he does and that he’s in his fourth year.

I actually think this is worse at the time than any of the picks you’ve stated tbh. Everyone except North had McDonald ahead of Phillips - those picks you’ve said are either 50/50 or were always happening the way they did. My point is more about how obvious it was from day one - Hindsight doesn’t even need to come into it IMO.

That’s all well and good but the bottom line is the pick will only be considered a blunder in the tamling/buddy or even Fiora/Pav range if McDonald has a similar career to those superstars I mentioned. 6 plus AA awards, walk up hall of famer type stuff.

And from what I’ve seen so far - he’s majorly underwhelming. He is not remotely close to that level.

This thing about these draft rankings is they become less prevalent as the years pass and players in the draft separate themselves more from each other, through actual on-field performance in the AFL, not where they were rated pre draft.

Nobody gives a shit now that Tom Scully and Jack trengrove were rated ahead of Dusty Martin in 2009 in draft day.

The fact is the Dees should have picked Dusty 100 times out of 100 over them in hindsight.

 

[FreoRicci]

Just on that, even watching draft videos, how was Tambling rated so highly ?
Just a typical flashy skinny half back that like all amazing youth, reached his ceiling by draft day.

Buddy was raw and could kick bombs from 50 already at 17.

Staggering how bad scouts are.

 

[Kram]

• mcCartin over petracca
• Billings over Bont

Scary to think how much better St Kilda would be if they got those 2 picks right.

 

[Dockernut]

That’s all well and good but the bottom line is the pick will only be considered a blunder in the tamling/buddy or even Fiora/Pav range if McDonald has a similar career to those superstars I mentioned. 6 plus AA awards, walk up hall of famer type stuff.

And from what I’ve seen so far - he’s majorly underwhelming. He is not remotely close to that level.

This thing about these draft rankings is they become less prevalent as the years pass and players in the draft separate themselves more from each other, through actual on-field performance in the AFL, not where they were rated pre draft.

Nobody gives a shit now that Tom Scully and Jack trengrove were rated ahead of Dusty Martin in 2009 in draft day.

The fact is the Dees should have picked Dusty 100 times out of 100 over them in hindsight.

Our Mora picked the selection after Dusty imagine if he had that kind of longevity.

 

[Kram]

Literally the very next pick right after as well, christ just imagine having both the Bont and the Trac running loose in your midfield and forward line.