Geez, you've got tickets on yourselfI just don't think Martin will be playing a lot of games. Call me modern day Jesus
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Geez, you've got tickets on yourselfI just don't think Martin will be playing a lot of games. Call me modern day Jesus
I am a one way train to success and everlasting lifeGeez, you've got tickets on yourself![]()
Unfortunately it seemed the players did too.What made 08 worse . . . . leading into the big day, not one of us seriously predicted a Hawthorn victory. I'm sure there were some nerves and perhaps a close 3-4 goal win for Cats but we had it all setup to win on every single line.
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I wouldn't go as far as predicting we'd lose, but I was worried heading in. I felt calmer as far as our teams mental state during our attempts at history making (drought breaking) in '07 and getting redemption in '09. A big MCG based team that got on a roll in '08 during our premiership defence, it just had a smell of danger about it.What made 08 worse . . . . leading into the big day, not one of us seriously predicted a Hawthorn victory. I'm sure there were some nerves and perhaps a close 3-4 goal win for Cats but we had it all setup to win on every single line.
Heartbreak before triumph is a classic arc in sport. I'm sure a nice relaxing 3-5 year period of dominance is awesome too. I've never followed a team where that came in my lifetime.People who get upset about '08 forget about the 3/4 time in ' 09 speech by our leaders, that essentially said: 'we're not losing today.'
We don't win '09, without losing '08. Wouldn't have been anywhere near enough heartbreak, against a side who seemingly had our measure at every turn and was up by 12 points in a low scoring game.
'08 hurts, but I view '08 and '09 in a vacuum together - you only get 1, and the redemption was oh so sweet.
People who get upset about '08 forget about the 3/4 time in ' 09 speech by our leaders, that essentially said: 'we're not losing today.'
We don't win '09, without losing '08. Wouldn't have been anywhere near enough heartbreak, against a side who seemingly had our measure at every turn and was up by 12 points in a low scoring game.
'08 hurts, but I view '08 and '09 in a vacuum together - you only get 1, and the redemption was oh so sweet.
But they were theorising cause-effect. If that's the case you can't have '09 without '08, especially with such a close game.
[Insert long argument here]But they were theorising cause-effect. If that's the case you can't have '09 without '08, especially with such a close game.
So the "why" would be "outcome B required condition A".
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That’s a bit of backwards revisionism, though - there isn’t any proof that one leads to the other. It’s comforting but it’s no more than a hunchPeople who get upset about '08 forget about the 3/4 time in ' 09 speech by our leaders, that essentially said: 'we're not losing today.'
We don't win '09, without losing '08. Wouldn't have been anywhere near enough heartbreak, against a side who seemingly had our measure at every turn and was up by 12 points in a low scoring game.
'08 hurts, but I view '08 and '09 in a vacuum together - you only get 1, and the redemption was oh so sweet.
That’s a bit of backwards revisionism, though - there isn’t any proof that one leads to the other. It’s comforting but it’s no more than a hunch
I mean besides the players themselves saying how much the previous years hurt spurred them on in that last quarter...sure there's nothing at all.
Here's a hint, maybe don't use terms like 'backwards revisionism', on a perfectly innocent comment, if you're not trying to sound like a sanctimonious dick.
Jesus, escalation much? Fine then, necessity being the mother of invention, or wishful thinking. Whatever is suitable for your list of Approved Words.I mean besides the players themselves saying how much the previous years hurt spurred them on in that last quarter...sure there's nothing at all.
Here's a hint, maybe don't use terms like 'backwards revisionism', on a perfectly innocent comment, if you're not trying to sound like a sanctimonious dick.
People who get upset about '08 forget about the 3/4 time in ' 09 speech by our leaders, that essentially said: 'we're not losing today.'
We don't win '09, without losing '08. Wouldn't have been anywhere near enough heartbreak, against a side who seemingly had our measure at every turn and was up by 12 points in a low scoring game.
'08 hurts, but I view '08 and '09 in a vacuum together - you only get 1, and the redemption was oh so sweet.
I don't remember this level of hostility in previous years
The players said Leading Teams was incredibly important for 2007 as well, and for GAJ to develop into a superstar.I mean besides the players themselves saying how much the previous years hurt spurred them on in that last quarter...sure there's nothing at all.
Here's a hint, maybe don't use terms like 'backwards revisionism', on a perfectly innocent comment, if you're not trying to sound like a sanctimonious dick.
What has changed is we are getting a lot more social commentary or attempts to shut discussions down.There are always these types of fights
Pretty simple in this case to see how we got off topic.Is there any chance that the discussion could move on from events that occurred over a decade ago - there's not one player currently on our list that was on it for either the 08 or 09 seasons
I know it's the off season, but repeated discussion of extremely old topics is tiring
Pretty simple in this case to see how we got off topic.
On topic: Gazza Greatness says can Jack Martin come in and play a Stewart Dew 2008 role for us (perfectly valid, interesting point).
Off topic: The next few replies "Don't you dare mention 2008!".
So back to the original topic of Jack Martin, a broken down player with talent swapping teams to a potential contender to do some damage in finals: Yes, I think a best case scenario would make him a similarly astute recruit.
One could if one was being pedantic and wanting to shut most discussions down. One could say we need large lectures when anything moves even slightly from the most specific content. Which is about 50% of the posts in any thread.One could suggest that most of that is off topic considering that Martin is already on our list and not really a player that would fall under the categories of one we're going to be targeting via trade, FA or in the draft
And considering we've got live threads for discussion of Jack, the whole discussion around what type of role he could play for us is probably best suited there
List Mgmt. - Jack Martin officially joins Geelong as a DFA
The Cats are confident they can help Martin fix his injury issues after another year of soft tissue dramas at Carlton. Martin will join Geelong as a delisted free agent, costing the club nothing in a trade. Now to wait on the official paperworkwww.bigfooty.com
One could if one was being pedantic and wanting to shut most discussions down. One could say we need large lectures when anything moves even slightly from the most specific content. Which is about 50% of the posts in any thread.
At least now we know simply to report posts as spam, such as they who dared to mention Martin's role in a thread that doesn't have his name in it.