Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 3

[dazbroncos]

Close is the fit and reliable version of Martin.

Martin has a higher natural talent ceiling but Close has the runs on the board, the proven reliability in availability and plays his role in the team.

Martin IMO has a long way to go to displace Close.

Go Catters

 

[Gazza Greatness]

I could live another hundred years and yet will never see a Geelong season as great as 2008. It’s not like any of the other GF losses

And one of the reasons why some Hawthorn troll supporters even til' this day like to remind us, although having said that it seems the Tiger diehards bring it up more often than Hawthorn trolls these days but then again those guys live in a delusion world of their very own.

 

[Mr Meow]

I just don't think Martin will be playing a lot of games. Call me modern day Jesus

Geez, you've got tickets on yourself

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Geez, you've got tickets on yourself

I am a one way train to success and everlasting life

 

[My Tilly]

What made 08 worse . . . . leading into the big day, not one of us seriously predicted a Hawthorn victory. I'm sure there were some nerves and perhaps a close 3-4 goal win for Cats but we had it all setup to win on every single line.

 

[Turkey Tom]

What made 08 worse . . . . leading into the big day, not one of us seriously predicted a Hawthorn victory. I'm sure there were some nerves and perhaps a close 3-4 goal win for Cats but we had it all setup to win on every single line.

Unfortunately it seemed the players did too.

 

[ShadowCat]

People who get upset about '08 forget about the 3/4 time in ' 09 speech by our leaders, that essentially said: 'we're not losing today.'

We don't win '09, without losing '08. Wouldn't have been anywhere near enough heartbreak, against a side who seemingly had our measure at every turn and was up by 12 points in a low scoring game.

'08 hurts, but I view '08 and '09 in a vacuum together - you only get 1, and the redemption was oh so sweet.

 

[Mr Meow]

What made 08 worse . . . . leading into the big day, not one of us seriously predicted a Hawthorn victory. I'm sure there were some nerves and perhaps a close 3-4 goal win for Cats but we had it all setup to win on every single line.

I wouldn't go as far as predicting we'd lose, but I was worried heading in. I felt calmer as far as our teams mental state during our attempts at history making (drought breaking) in '07 and getting redemption in '09. A big MCG based team that got on a roll in '08 during our premiership defence, it just had a smell of danger about it.

'11, despite thrashing Collingwood not long before, I still wasn't confident. They were damn good before fading a bit as the season came to its end.

 

[Mr Meow]

People who get upset about '08 forget about the 3/4 time in ' 09 speech by our leaders, that essentially said: 'we're not losing today.'

We don't win '09, without losing '08. Wouldn't have been anywhere near enough heartbreak, against a side who seemingly had our measure at every turn and was up by 12 points in a low scoring game.

'08 hurts, but I view '08 and '09 in a vacuum together - you only get 1, and the redemption was oh so sweet.

Heartbreak before triumph is a classic arc in sport. I'm sure a nice relaxing 3-5 year period of dominance is awesome too. I've never followed a team where that came in my lifetime.

I wouldn't change much about the journey, although a flag from the '89 through '95 run would've been nice. We had a fair wait before breaking through after that and a big batch of club legends were long retired.

If '22 didn't happen, it would've been a bit of a stinger to stomach the preceding seasons as well. Not that I wouldn't have taken more flags in the prior period...but a fair chunk of that squad did get to climb the mountain.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

People who get upset about '08 forget about the 3/4 time in ' 09 speech by our leaders, that essentially said: 'we're not losing today.'

We don't win '09, without losing '08. Wouldn't have been anywhere near enough heartbreak, against a side who seemingly had our measure at every turn and was up by 12 points in a low scoring game.

'08 hurts, but I view '08 and '09 in a vacuum together - you only get 1, and the redemption was oh so sweet.

 

[Mr Meow]

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But they were theorising cause-effect. If that's the case you can't have '09 without '08, especially with such a close game.

So the "why" would be "outcome B required condition A".

 

[CatToTheFuture]

But they were theorising cause-effect. If that's the case you can't have '09 without '08, especially with such a close game.

So the "why" would be "outcome B required condition A".

[Insert long argument here]

But why can't we have both?

 

[iameviljez]

People who get upset about '08 forget about the 3/4 time in ' 09 speech by our leaders, that essentially said: 'we're not losing today.'

We don't win '09, without losing '08. Wouldn't have been anywhere near enough heartbreak, against a side who seemingly had our measure at every turn and was up by 12 points in a low scoring game.

'08 hurts, but I view '08 and '09 in a vacuum together - you only get 1, and the redemption was oh so sweet.

That’s a bit of backwards revisionism, though - there isn’t any proof that one leads to the other. It’s comforting but it’s no more than a hunch

 

[ShadowCat]

That’s a bit of backwards revisionism, though - there isn’t any proof that one leads to the other. It’s comforting but it’s no more than a hunch

I mean besides the players themselves saying how much the previous years hurt spurred them on in that last quarter...sure there's nothing at all.

Here's a hint, maybe don't use terms like 'backwards revisionism', on a perfectly innocent comment, if you're not trying to sound like a sanctimonious dick.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I mean besides the players themselves saying how much the previous years hurt spurred them on in that last quarter...sure there's nothing at all.

Here's a hint, maybe don't use terms like 'backwards revisionism', on a perfectly innocent comment, if you're not trying to sound like a sanctimonious dick.

As much as beating St kilda is great I'm not sure it can make up for the pain of losing to hawthorn of all clubs in a game they have no right to win.
I could be different to others but for me the win of 09 doesn't take away the pain of 08 at all.

 

[iameviljez]

I mean besides the players themselves saying how much the previous years hurt spurred them on in that last quarter...sure there's nothing at all.

Here's a hint, maybe don't use terms like 'backwards revisionism', on a perfectly innocent comment, if you're not trying to sound like a sanctimonious dick.

Jesus, escalation much? Fine then, necessity being the mother of invention, or wishful thinking. Whatever is suitable for your list of Approved Words.

 

[Lana]

I’ve been of the opinion that 08 and 09 were independent of each other. Like our poor run in finals pre 22.

 

[Turbocat]

People who get upset about '08 forget about the 3/4 time in ' 09 speech by our leaders, that essentially said: 'we're not losing today.'

We don't win '09, without losing '08. Wouldn't have been anywhere near enough heartbreak, against a side who seemingly had our measure at every turn and was up by 12 points in a low scoring game.

'08 hurts, but I view '08 and '09 in a vacuum together - you only get 1, and the redemption was oh so sweet.

While I agree that there may be a link ..id also be prepared to swap 08 for 09 any day of the week. If we failed to get the three peat falling to Stkilda..giving their supporters their second only flag… and denying Haw another trip to the land of plenty … Id be more than happy… to have won 08 and lost 09.

but of course life is not like that. What probably irks the like Haws and Rich is that they contributed to flags for us. The beatings were more a hardening and tempering than a melting of the playing group

08 and 92 stand to me as the two most wasteful efforts in GF.. and 08 being at our zenith an obvious the best team of the season … I feel for some of us , me included it magnesium fire that seems to never really go out. Its the last time I think I was ever furious at the result. I just knew that “Thats what Im talking about” would be a on going bugbear.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I don't remember this level of hostility in previous years

 

[Lana]

I don't remember this level of hostility in previous years

There are always these types of fights

 

[Mr Meow]

I mean besides the players themselves saying how much the previous years hurt spurred them on in that last quarter...sure there's nothing at all.

Here's a hint, maybe don't use terms like 'backwards revisionism', on a perfectly innocent comment, if you're not trying to sound like a sanctimonious dick.

The players said Leading Teams was incredibly important for 2007 as well, and for GAJ to develop into a superstar.

"Whoops, backwards revisionism".

They said Scott was essential to 2011's success, basically that it couldn't have happened without his fresh voice and ideas.

"Whoops, backwards revisionism".

Of course we can't actually prove any of this stuff. It's fine for players and fans alike to have their own differing theories without being shushed or mocked though.

 

[Mr Meow]

There are always these types of fights

What has changed is we are getting a lot more social commentary or attempts to shut discussions down.

"Cat fight!"
"Give it a rest!"
"You can't prove that so your whole post was pointless"

Etc.

If a topic doesn't interest me or I feel there's nothing to add then I don't contribute to the subject matter. It isn't that hard.

 

[cats_09]

Is there any chance that the discussion could move on from events that occurred over a decade ago - there's not one player currently on our list that was on it for either the 08 or 09 seasons

I know it's the off season, but repeated discussion of extremely old topics is tiring

 

[Mr Meow]

Is there any chance that the discussion could move on from events that occurred over a decade ago - there's not one player currently on our list that was on it for either the 08 or 09 seasons

I know it's the off season, but repeated discussion of extremely old topics is tiring

Pretty simple in this case to see how we got off topic.

On topic: Gazza Greatness says can Jack Martin come in and play a Stewart Dew 2008 role for us (perfectly valid, interesting point).

Off topic: The next few replies "Don't you dare mention 2008!".

So back to the original topic of Jack Martin, a broken down player with talent swapping teams to a potential contender to do some damage in finals: Yes, I think a best case scenario would make him a similarly astute recruit.

 

[cats_09]

Pretty simple in this case to see how we got off topic.

On topic: Gazza Greatness says can Jack Martin come in and play a Stewart Dew 2008 role for us (perfectly valid, interesting point).

Off topic: The next few replies "Don't you dare mention 2008!".

So back to the original topic of Jack Martin, a broken down player with talent swapping teams to a potential contender to do some damage in finals: Yes, I think a best case scenario would make him a similarly astute recruit.

One could suggest that most of that is off topic considering that Martin is already on our list and not really a player that would fall under the categories of one we're going to be targeting via trade, FA or in the draft

And considering we've got live threads for discussion of Jack, the whole discussion around what type of role he could play for us is probably best suited there

List Mgmt. - Jack Martin officially joins Geelong as a DFA

The Cats are confident they can help Martin fix his injury issues after another year of soft tissue dramas at Carlton. Martin will join Geelong as a delisted free agent, costing the club nothing in a trade. Now to wait on the official paperwork

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