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  1. M

    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    Persistent? - Thank you, Tuck In, that's generous, It'd be fair to say I'm bordering on obsessive. I'm still bothered that opinions, some false ones, continue to be posted as facts when it appears to have stuffed someone's life up. Stupid of me really, it's the internet, hardly a rare...
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    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    ...his nude pics for free nude pics of herself. So in that case in particular it looks like he was only sending nude pics so she would send some. * this only applies to one of the victims. There is no accounting for the many other times Patton has sent allegedly Dic Pics, the victims haven't...
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    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    You are quite right, that article is completely different to the article I read. That is the first I have seen of him being accused of going downstairs (I don't follow league that much). Thank you for clarifying why you made those claims, fully understandable to me now. My take on the video...
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    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    yeah, point taken as admitted I am bad at analogies. I wasn't trying to say that holding hands with a stranger is equivalent to grabbing a woman's breast. I was trying to point out that I have mistaken my wife for someone else and I wasn't in a club and drunk. So from my perspective, Ferguson's...
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    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    It was not my intent to diminish what Ferguson had done, I used the description of the offence that was used by news reports https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nrls-blake-ferguson-found-guilty-of-groping-woman-but-conviction-not-recorded-20140626-zsn5h.html It was how the offence was reported...
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    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    Sorry man, I edited before I saw you reply. Agree re Carey, things could have been a lot different if his first grope victim called him out like maggie carter called out Patton.
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    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    Huh? Blake Ferguson groped one woman, in a nightclub while drunk. How is that bulk people? Carey is accused of doing it to bulk people, no charges were laid. It would have been overs to give him a life ban for the first grope I think. Hodge damaged the club and the AFL competition. How...
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    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    Wait a minute are you suggesting if a player gets convicted of an offence he shouldn't be able to play again - ever? What offences should be bannable for life? Hodge's drink driving and risking innocent peoples lives was pretty massive stuff up, casualty crash risk doubles when driving with an...
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    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    Well if Stephen Milne could come back from being accused of rape in 2004 and avoid being charged for nearly 10 years all while being publicly vilified as a rapist (to the degree that oppo coaches could call him a rapist while he was playing) then I suppose any recovery is possible, but I just...
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    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    The first I saw was a woman reasonably responding to Patton being an outright creep, she told him to stop and he responded with some misogynistic insults. She posted the exchange on an Instagram group chat. Then two other women responded, saying he did the same to them, corroborating that he was...
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    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    OK, so my impression that Patton could have been scouring OnlyFans for potential "conquests" then after getting their number, (thinking he is god's gift), face-timing them, or Instagramming them thinking they were interested in him is not how this could have played out. Fair enough. Yes, I...
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    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    I agree completely, being a sex worker does not mean her accusations are less serious. The way she dresses is also irrelevant and I am uncomfortable that my posts might appear that I am saying that they deserve it because of their job. But I do have a question. If a man on Grindr has a pic of...
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    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    Stop misrepresenting me please I said I should let this go (continued posting does seem to be pointless), not that I would. My initial reason for even posting on this abortion of a thread was because you said "It’s not 1980 anymore Willy, there’s this thing called “Using a carriage service to...
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    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    Bugger me, essentially you just said "Rumours are really bad and harmful, don't listen to them (they aren't true about Dusty) - but Patton has been doing this shit for years" WTF??? Look, you might just be an idiot who doesn't know any better and not be a malevolent, trouble making troll, so...
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    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    I don't understand, what is silly about posting those screen shots on a public board? I guess if you received it if privately, in confidence then you have some obligation not to reveal the person who told you, but I can't think of any other reason outside of breaking the privacy Act. My issue...
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    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    My school girl payback remark was sexist, I thought it was a commonly held assumption that schoolboys are more direct with their altercations and cruelty while school girls were more adept at creating social outcasts of their victims and better at character assassination, internet bullying -that...
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    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    That is one of the problems with the legislation, Patton does not have to prove he had consent. All the defense has to do is provide a reasonable explanation as to why Patton thought consent was given (implied consent). It does seem really unfair, but it has to do with Mens Rea - guilty mind...
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    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    This is the guts of what I have been trying unsuccessfully to explain. It is not necessarily a crime to send a picture of a ****, It is a crime if that image or text would be deemed to be harassment (Ongoing, multiple pics and messages to one person) It is not harassment if you send 30 texts to...
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    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    Please don't take my posts out of context. I am not downplaying what Patton has been accused of at all. There has been some errant interpretation of the legislation on this thread, and I stupidly tried to correct one. " there’s this thing called “Using a carriage service to menace, harass or...
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    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    Ok, so it is not some Weinstein type scenario where all these victims are coming out saying it was him. Its some people who know him saying he has a history of sending dick picks, would that be right? Or by pest do you mean stalking/harassment type behaviour? Sorry, I haven't seen any of these...
  21. M

    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    Can you show me where you have heard he has been hitting up "randoms" for years? I can't find much on that at all other than gossip.
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    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    Nah, sorry, I can't have this. Who is going to wait 6 months after successfully baiting him to spring the trap? Doesn't make sense to me. I take it this information is not from the media?
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    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    Agreed We did not, you may have but you didn't acknowledge this so how the hell was I supposed to know? The first part is absolutely spot on, I am a biased Hawthorn fan completely out of step with today's amount of social media networking. Got me in one. The last part is right too, I need to...
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    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    Quite right, you make it sound sinister. I do not think it is all as it seems, that is a personal opinion based on experience with the media and how this sort of stuff tends to be reported, I think the reporting has been very one-sided and there is a lot of bullshit being sprouted (Patton...
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    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    That just doesn't make sense. It has everything to do with the argument of the charges, that is all I am writing about, I should know, I am writing it. That is why I am presenting (fabricating?) scenarios that indicate why Patton would not be charged. If you want him charged, good for you, he...
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    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    Yes, I think that the women knowing each other prior to the dick pick sending was unusual, this is what gave me a little bit of doubt into Patton's absolute guilt -I didn't suggest this was "reasonable doubt" in a legal sense, it is just what made stop putting petrol on the bonfire that everyone...
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    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    I have not, at any stage, been arguing anything other than why this instance is unlikely to taken to court, and your misleading claim that offending someone over a phone is an offense. If you can point out where I have strayed from this them, I would appreciate it. It seems like you have...
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    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    Ok, You have obviously seen enough information to confirm in your mind that Patton is a serious sex offender. You have absolute faith in the witnesses motivation and credibility and you not only believe that there is enough evidence for the court to convict him, but that the DPP has enough...
  29. M

    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    WTF are you on about? My initial post in this thread was to Strapping young lad who posted "It’s not 1980 anymore Willy, there’s this thing called “Using a carriage service to menace, harass or cause offence”, and yes, people who feel like they’ve been harassed or sent offensive or threatening...
  30. M

    News Welcome to Hawthorn Jon Patton : Retired

    Yep. He is toast
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