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Yes some credit should go to Windhanger but clearly majority of the issue lies with Kelly. Not even Cornes, Ling etc kept guys to 4 disposals. Still a fantastic 2 way game from Winny but Kelly phoned it in early on

Dropped marks and bad fumbles count too as well as frees against

Not sure why he of all people thought he’d push someone after the siren, he’s a very easy target to retaliate on. Didn’t like the push back much

You Honey blokes owe Brown a beer

Excellent, keep cheering the individual wins while you’re stuck on No Man’s Land (St Kilda Island) for another 4 years before rebuilding, while other clubs put pieces of the puzzle together.

18 months on and the Saints are neither here nor there, teams have gone past them (Carl, Coll, Frem) while the sides that have dropped are still ballpark equal (Rich, Pa, Dogs). Very definition of no man’s land. Are you building to contend or getting ready to reset again? No man’s land. 18...

No Kelly, Hogan or Green. Make shift forward line to the Giants, gone quite tall. Feel like there is experimental reasons only for GWS here in on for the rest of the season, if we want to damage in finals should look to boost percentage today and take advantage of a side looking at future...

What about Snelling doing a hard role on Daicos? It’ll be Guelfi or Snell id expect. Surely he can’t be ignored any longer - as we saw with Brayshaw last year, young guys especially are susceptible to tags. Not sure why teams haven’t tried it yet on Nick. Bombers to stop Daicos with a hard...

Daicos is winning it regardless of form now, only suspension stops him, but reckon it’s time he gets a tag. Can’t have his distribution running free. Rutter will send a stopper to him today I reckon. Watch how important he is to the Pies if he does get tagged, yes his role is “easier” but...

Like the call. Currently $3.25 on Lads

Which years did Walters miss out due to Vic bias? C'mon, if he should have had 5 then name them and prove why. He hasn't even had 5 top 5 B&F finishes.

Yes, and if Lloyd is still in your best 22, as evidenced by him getting weekly games when fit, and cannot be compared to Ablett in terms of ability... Does that not make it a Monty that he'd get a game? And no shit. I'm more excited about kids who haven't been drafted than Ablett or Betts for...

Laughable what the tribunal has become. Former assistant coaches giving "character references" and talking about "second chances". **** me. No one is saying Shiel is a murderer. We don't need to hear evidence of his character. The MRO ruled it careless, not intentional. His character does...

Did not see this coming at all. Very excited and happy with this. Kreuzer should never play for Carlton again while Pittonet is there. Nothing particularly wrong with Kreuzer, he's just not needed.

Right above the rule in the rulebook is that the spirit and intention should be to keep the ball in play. Mills didn't have any of either. He invented the pressure, and had time or space to get rid of the ball. It'd be absolutely ridiculous to apply the rule as "if you get pushed over it's not...

1.2 for the quarter total Thank **** for Gil and Steve Hocking and the committees that made the game higher scoring by interfering constantly. Imagine if that quarter had been low scoring!,

Few looks today GWS $2 Pointsbet (win if lead at halftime hence why I took it here) Greene 2G $2.75 Lads Can't work out why Port are favourites. Hipwood, McStay and McInerney put their undersized defence to the sword, might be slipper today but Himmelberg in particular is a very smart player...

Friendship with Rowell over Now Rankine is my best friend

I'd say even a 50-50 result in the midfield results in a decent St Kilda win. Freo mids would need to win the mid battle comfortably to even just win. With Fyfe and Walters it is possible, two stars, but even Steele and Jones are defensively minded at stoppages and could at least halve the...

Liam Henry, Alex Pearce and Joel Hamling don't have any AFL relatives I know of and have Indigenous heritage.

Liam Jurrah? Edit: didn't read at the moment

OK. Nice story. He's still a better player than Sam Lloyd who is also nearing the end of his candle and is still in your best 22 when not injured.

I sort of agree, I sort of disagree. I think yes, we need to acknowledge for example that Collingwood closed up options for Hawthorn last night. That made it difficult for them to launch relatively pressure free effective inside 50s. That however does not excuse the fact that Hawthorn were...

I'm not sure whether Ablett plays for Geelong next year either, the merits of him in 2021 is not really what I thought you were posting about initially. Just about 2 way players. And the thread is Ablett in 2020. I'd say based on the evidence Ablett absolutely gets a game for Hawthorn in 2020.

In Bruce's defense he was probably right at the time of the call (I think it was Abletts 3rd or 4th touch and his only good one had been his first goal), and he did acknowledge Ablett had lifted for the rest of the game later on. Lots I don't like about current day commentary but I don't feel...

100%. My favourite one will forever be the Collingwood v Freo game last year. Pies fans so loud about blaming the umps or score review for losing the game. Not withstanding the fact they conceded 4 or 5 goals from pretty basic turnovers from their own players not being able to execute...

The first thought for many Geelong fans would be that Ablett is a victim of tall poppy syndrome. I'd argue he's actually just a victim of the OBSESSION with pressure and defensive play. Of course as a team of 22 you have to both attack and defend well. Not just rack up a few tackles, but cover...

He's quite happy to concede that he'll get no attack from Puopolo, so why would Ablett not defending from a forward pocket when your side clearly needs better ball entry inside 50 be such a bad thing?

Sam Lloyd isn't a kid. He's 30. If he can get 4 games in before being out with injury averaging sub 7 disposals 0.25 goals and 0.25 goal assists a game in 2020, then Ablett who is 10x the field kick Lloyd (and most players) is can when averaging just under 17 disposals, 0.8 goals and 1 goal...

Then who would take Membrey? Hughes? I know Saints did very well with Docherty but the best way to reduce Ryan's rebounding is to have him accountable for Membrey I say. Geary/Marsh can tag him and if they're lucky hurt him with goals, but Membrey with a defender looking to drift off him could...