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They don't need to bottom out. They have some potential in their hands. They are just not using it correctly. We saw glimpses of it in the last two home and away games. The attention needs to be on further developing their games and looking less towards Williams, Fantasia, Acres, etc.

That GWS game. The giants absolutely broke them. Got into their minds. Broke their psyche. They were never the same again.

One bad night? I also suggest you watch a few more of his games this year. Why do you honestly think I bite my nails when he has the ball compared to others in the team like say Hewett or Cowan? There must be some reason for that.

Exactly this. They browse the department stores. Carlton seems to love the Op Shop.

Oh and for next year. I really do hope we see less of players like Williams in the main side. Haynes as well is not the solution. We are looking dead-set dry and unappealing with this same group. Need to reinvigorate and inject this team with some more youth. I want to see Moir, Lord, Binns...

Ad-hominems. Wonderful classy response. It would be more baffling to think otherwise. Critical moments are few and are obsolete when the result is against us. It is one thing to make a presence and win the ball... another to know how to dispose of it. Watch much of that game again and try...

The mistake was omitting Cincotta. The mistake was TDK as sub. The mistake was subbing Kennedy for TDK. The mistake was brining in Cerra and Williams. Then there's the players. He may have created an iconic moment or two for us, but my goodness, Acres would just about have to be the worst...

If people blame Lewis Young, I suggest you leave. He was far from our worst player tonight.

If a number of players were to return, you would think one or two of the kids are certainly one of the first few making way (as much as I too don't like the idea). OUT - Motlop, Carroll, Durdin, Young, Fantasia, Binns, Pittonet IN - McKay, McGovern, Curnow, Boyd, Williams, TDK🤞🏻, Docherty...

And I have to admit it. Ollie has definitely stepped it up the past few weeks after his very poor start to the season. I just love his determination and ability to apply pressure and find the ball around play lately.

I noticed Binns now and then grabbing his hammy during the game as if it was tightening up. Even with the weeks break, you can certainly consider him one to make way for someone returning from injury.

I'm sick of the "he isn't ready" crap. Only international/project pick-ups can that be applied. A ND pick? It's one thing to build muscle but it does NOT take 2 whole years for a draftee to learn a game plan. Spare me the Lemmey isn't ready nonsense. I don't expect him to come in here over...

In other words, Nothing has changed in the last 3 years.

You can find them anywhere. Not hard to look. The problem is the list management team make it seem hard. They are wanting to perform miracles. Feel-good stories. Chase what seems to be a bargain or a steal. Simple answer is, look for fit players. Little to no injury history. Develop them. Pick...

And as for the others: Marchbank, Cuningham and even Sam Durdin. I've lost my patience. They need to understand their bodies are simply NOT UP TO IT anymore. We can blame the S&C team all we like but that has already changed once or twice since both players first came on the list. The...

We certainly can. Just about anyone can replace him. I'm sorry but, star factor and potential mean nothing if you are rarely there to show it. We need solid and consistent contributors. Not fragile season cameos.

Three words. COMPLETE BACKLINE OVERHAUL.

The real question is why? WHY?!!! WHY THE **** DO WE ALWAYS LOSE TO THESE ****S?!! We look better on paper. We have better bookends. Players with greater potential and greater ceiling. Not to mention they're at the prime age. Yet for some reason, we always crumble against these (for the most...

OUT - De Koning, Durdin, Acres, Cuningham IN - Pittonet, Boyd, McGovern, Martin

It was exactly the same with Adelaide earlier this year. The writing was on the wall. Giants were always winning this. Better hope the media don't blow too much wind up the dogs' back during the week.

Has there been a game where Weitering hasn't hobbled? Despite the knocks he gets, I feel we don't look after him very well.

Im'ma just leave this here: Heralded 2023 Normie-winning Bobby Hill has 20 goals this year. Who also currently has 20 goals next to their name? Matt Owies.

Why? Walsh is seemingly doing fine with the way things are going. All 3 of his goals so far are from gut-running and hard work. There's no need to be kissed with extra goals from free kicks and 50m penalties for eye contact like Nick.

Umpires will appear out of nowhere, penalising staff and forcing them to give Daicos a free loaf of bread.

Okay then. How many games has Nick Daicos missed? How many games has Josh Daicos missed? How many games has Jack Crisp missed? How many games has Darcy Cameron missed? How many games has Darcy Moore missed?

What I can certainly see happening is this game being a low scoring affair. It's a contest between who can deliver the most ineffective inside 50s. The likes of Ridley, B.McKay, Weitering and Newman will all have a field day (or should I say a field night) as all their opponents will be...

The problem with our small forwards is that they are only a fraction of a proper one. Owies for instance, kicks goals but applies little to no pressure. Fogarty on the other hand applies heaps of pressure but kicks very few goals. Durdin can do both, but rarely shows it. Motlop has star factor...

Such a Carlton way to lose the game.

Faith and patience have ran out. Cuningham, Marchbank and Martin have all got to be delisted. Don't care how much talent they have. There is no point having all the talent and skills if you are rarely there to showcase them. We need fitter and tougher bodies. It might sound harsh, but the truth...