Banter Who will be better in 2025, Carlton or Collingwood? Part 3

[TeeJay Blue]

Thats so sweet. Your hurt is deep. It is cutting at you. The fact you go down the 'fluke' line shows just how much you are hurting. You are trying to rationalise it. Its ok. I understand your pain, it has been driven by your complete lack of success in the modern era. This pain translates into jealousy and envy and the need to look for excuses when the team you despise succeeds whilst you flounder.

Cute. I couldn't give two stuffs about Collingwood. I prefer to look at the more successful teams like Geelong and Hawthorn in the hopes my team can achieve the ultimate. Those clubs I envy.

May happen. May not. But at least my standards a high. Unlike the imaginary "Silver medals" you lot love to boast about.

The amount of drivel much of your mob post here. That shall keep me amused until the new footy season arrives. Keep at it bub.

 

[No SPIN]

So , no need to discuss old times then considering the salary cap breaches from 23 years ago were brought up by a pie poster ?

Yes - when “standards” are bought up to attempt to criticize Coll, the cheating habits of Carlton are an appropriate rebuttal.

 

[HBFlanker]

Last time I checked Carlton had one decent backman.

Which is one more than Collingwood.

Their midfield also monsters Collingwoods.

 

[No SPIN]

We still made finals though.

Yes - you limped into the finals with 2 wins against the bottom 2 teams in the last 8 games.
Losing 6/8 and being humiliated in the finals was very reassuring to the rest of the competition that Carlton are still pretenders.

 

[Robertio]

Yes - you limped into the finals with 2 wins against the bottom 2 teams in the last 8 games.
Losing 6/8 and being humiliated in the finals was very reassuring to the rest of the competition that Carlton are just pretenders.

We still made finals though.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Cute. I couldn't give two stuffs about Collingwood. I prefer to look at the more successful teams like Geelong and Hawthorn in the hopes my team can achieve the ultimate. Those clubs I envy.

May happen. May not. But at least my standards a high. Unlike the imaginary "Silver medals" you lot love to boast about.

The amount of drivel much of your mob post here. That shall keep me amused until the new footy season arrives. Keep at it bub.

Oh, you are consumed by Collingwood, we eat at you. You are hurting. You look for every excuse as to why Collingwood should not have the flags in recent years that Carlton long for.

 

[No SPIN]

Which is one more than Collingwood.

Their midfield also monsters Collingwoods.

Really - I’ll take Moore Maynard Houston Quaynor and Howe over all the spuds accept for Weitering.
As to a superior midfield- Coll won all clearances accept stoppage clearances in the last game.
We won both games this season so that’s all that matters.

 

[No SPIN]

We still made finals though.

Pretenders will occasionally do that.
That’s why they’re called Pretenders.

 

[adammania9]

Carlton using its comically easy fixture to register a higher place than Collingwood by % doesn’t bode well for the club in their race with Collingwood in 2025

The last time Carlton registered consecutive higher place finishes than Collingwood, film fans were awaiting the release of the first Harry Potter film, Ricky Gervais leapt into stardom with the release of The Office, the first iPod was on the cusp of being released and Sam Walsh

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Sam Walsh

Age

24

Ht

184cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.1

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

11.6

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

3.2

5star

CL

3.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

26.2

5star

K

15.4

5star

HB

10.8

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

3.2

5star

CL

4.8

5star

was likely beginning to speak his first words.

 

[HBFlanker]

Really - I’ll take Moore Maynard Quaynor and Howe over all the spuds accept for Weitering.

Moore gets goals kicked on him every week. and multiple.

Quaynor - Come on mate. Dopped off massively this year. Saad is a better player at the moment.

Maynard is a solid player - hes the good defender here.

Howe is hard to gauge consdiering age. Haynes and Howe cancel each other out in the repsective backlines.

 

[Fadge]

Which is one more than Collingwood.

Their midfield also monsters Collingwoods.

Another case of misery needing company?

 

[adammania9]

Moore gets goals kicked on him every week. and multiple.

Quaynor - Come on mate. Dopped off massively this year. Saad is a better player at the moment.

Maynard is a solid player - hes the good defender here.

Howe is hard to gauge consdiering age. Haynes and Howe cancel each other out in the repsective backlines.

Carlton’s equivalent to Quaynor is Boyd. Quaynor clears by the Flem strait

Saad is their Houston. A worse player. Their Maynard equivalent is Kemp.

Howe clears Haynes by so much it isn’t funny. Stop looking at age and look at ability.

 

[Fadge]

Which is one more than Collingwood.

Their midfield also monsters Collingwoods.

Shite.

Our forward line must be amazing in that case if we've contended for the premiership in 4 of the past 7 years (to Carlton's zero), and have beaten Carlton in every recent meaningful game we've played....

 

[No SPIN]

Moore gets goals kicked on him every week. and multiple.

Quaynor - Come on mate. Dopped off massively this year. Saad is a better player at the moment.

Maynard is a solid player - hes the good defender here.

Howe is hard to gauge consdiering age. Haynes and Howe cancel each other out in the repsective backlines.

So which 4 defenders do Carlton have that are better than Moore Maynard Houston and IQ - I think I hear crickets.

 

[Worm4]

Yes - when “standards” are bought up to attempt to criticize Coll, the cheating habits of Carlton are an appropriate rebrebuttal

Everyone is criticising everyone in here.
Collingwood cheat/ we cheat
Collingwood draft schmuks, we draft schmuks.
It's just the way it is

 

[Worm4]

So which 4 defenders do you have that are better than Moore Maynard Houston and IQ - I think I hear crickets.

Are these the same defenders that led your team to 9th place in 2024 ?

 

[Scritchyscroony]

You had a player who was off his chops associating with a known convicted felon waving a gun outside of a car over Bolte Bridge. On top of DeGoey... ok, let's talk standards shall we ?

Triggered much?
Didn't know you were so emotionally attached to Owies. Does he remind you of yourself or something?

 

[HBFlanker]

So which 4 defenders do Carlton have that are better than Moore Maynard Houston and IQ - I think I hear crickets.

Where did i say that?

You over rate your backline enormously.

 

[No SPIN]

Everyone is criticising everyone in here.
Collingwood cheat/ we cheat
Collingwood draft schmuks, we draft schmuks.
It's just the way it is

Like I said previously it’s like equating a parking ticket to murder. Carlton’s missteps are far worse.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Are these the same defenders that led your team to 9th place in 2024 ?

No

Houston now joins our premiership defenders

 

[Scritchyscroony]

I thought the thread title was about Carlton winning the "race" in 2024. Correct. Undeniable really. Thread title says it. Also based on ladder positions, the fact we at least played in a final and the other, the loser for 2024 between the 2, being Collingwood, well, they did NOT!

So based on the above it would be fair to say that Carlton would go in ahead of Collingwood at the start of the 25 season, unless something miraculous happens in the off season to change that position.
Still with me Magpie fans. I hope so.
So to bridge the gap, Collingwood replace their 27yo fairly average hbf in Noble, for a shiny upgrade, in Dan Houston, also 27yo, so no real change there other than quality of player. Concede the upgrade there. Perryman. Decent pick up also, but is it enough to get ahead of the Blues in 25, let alone bridge the gap between finishing 9th or 10th or wherever they finished, to winning the flag, which they have openly admitted they are doing. They also got rid of 1 of their better 23/24yo (which you don't really have many of) in Joe Richards.

What else did ya get?

According to the AFL review of trade week, absolutely nothing except a bleak future, unless you think any future, high quality free agents will want to come to a bottom 8 side, coz ya won't have any draft capital at all either.

Anyway, I digress.

Are the above changes enough to lift the lowly Collingwood above Carlton in 2025? Hmm. Wouldn't bet on it and I am a gambling man

So, ideally, Carlton wouldn't really need to do much, other than keep their multiple game winners on the park at the same time, maybe add a top3 generational young mid, to fit in with our other young star mids (as opposed to Collingwood mids who are all, bar the Daicos boys, really ready for retirement - Pendles 37 Sidebottom 34, Mitchell 32 Crisp 31 JDG 29. And that's just the midfield. Sorry, I forgot about the likes of Jack Bytel, Ed Allan, wil Parker, Sullivan etc, who will take over) Good luck with that.
I won't mention the forward line either in Mihocek 32, Elliott 32, Cox 34, McStay on the park (not) 30.
But wait. There's more! They still have in their arsenal, just waiting to use these guns when their current guns expire. The likes of
Harvey Harrison, Reef McInnes, Ned Long, Harry Demattia, Tew Jiath, Jakob Ryan, Josh Eyre,
Josh Carmichael. Let's not also forget the likes of Ash Johnson who has played as many games as he is old (27). Frampton 27yo, played 58games. Freddie Krueger 25yo played 15 games. All those stars the Maggie's have , keeping these gems waiting in the wings. They must have been mature aged recruits. Well get use to em, coz that's all you'll be getting in the future and of the same quality.

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Too long.
Is there an audible version?

 

[No SPIN]

Where did i say that?

You over rate your backline enormously.

Over rated? You said Coll had holes everywhere by comparison to Carlton - clearly you are wrong in the most important area of the ground.

 

[HBFlanker]

Carlton’s equivalent to Quaynor is Boyd. Quaynor clears by the Flem strait

Saad is their Houston. A worse player. Their Maynard equivalent is Kemp.

Howe clears Haynes by so much it isn’t funny. Stop looking at age and look at ability.

Interesting comment.

Haynes averages more than Howe in a number of key stats. Kicks, Marks, rebound 50s etc.

Also two years younger.

 

[Worm4]

Carlton’s equivalent to Quaynor is Boyd. Quaynor clears by the Flem strait

Saad is their Houston. A worse player. Their Maynard equivalent is Kemp.

Howe clears Haynes by so much it isn’t funny. Stop looking at age and look at ability.

Haynes has ability. All Australian only 3 years ago

 

[HBFlanker]

You said Coll had holes everywhere by comparison to Carlton - clearly you are wrong in the most important area of the ground.

Yep. and its true.

Look at the other end of the ground for confirmation of this.