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Spot on. So they should - AAMI Stadium is a joke. Can't wait to go to some games at Adelaide Oval, but you'd have to pay me to drive out to West Lakes....

Probably because they're worth more on the black market

Soccer is easily number 1 in South Africa, during the apartheid soccer was a sport only for the blacks, and that's reflected now with soccer being a sport for the very poor, who can't afford to go to matches and are probably too busy worrying about finding their next meals to go to matches...

I think I follow it - basically one of soccer's biggest attractions is it's system, with leagues all over the world, intercontinental tournaments, international tournaments, world cups, promotion and relegation etc. You also have less artificial competitions - sometimes I feel like the AFL is...

Hmm... while AFL was much better back then, it hasn't changed that much - and today close games can still be incredibly exciting - soccer has amazing tension as well, and fantastic moments that can decide a match, but AFL games where teams go goal-for-goal in the last quarter are amazing. I...

I'm an AFL fan - go to many AFL games - don't really like the AFL administration, don't really like many things about the game (especially changes that have been made in the past 10 years) - definitely think soccer is the better game though, and love watching it.

Are you saying the game hasn't undergone massive development in the past 10 years? As I type I'm watching Brisbane play in front of 11,500 people on a Wednesday night - who would have believed that 10 years ago? World Cups are reguarly awarded to grow the game, rather than as a reward for...

8-10 weeks with 13 years notice no less. A club going down because of it :lol:, maybe if the world cup results in football becoming a more popular code than AFL, but not because of a disruption.

Money isn't everything. The sheer joy every Australian will get from seeing the biggest event in the world hosted in our backyard is worth every penny. Not to mention that we'll have better venues to go and watch our A-league and NRL teams in for years - can't wait!

http://www.india-server.com/news/2010-fifa-world-cup-to-pump-7-46-16937.html South Africa, a dangerous country that has had to build several stadiums from scratch, is a long way from Europe estimating a 8 billion (AUD) boost to their economy.

If the AFL says 'no', there will be a backlash from fans, from the government, and the government will be forced to spend money on soccer facilities rather than stadiums that are also suitable for the AFL. They're not idiots and they won't say no.

Germany spent $2.5 Billion on stadiums and ended up with the economy experiencing a positive impact to the tune of 3 billion euros. http://www.germany-tourism.de/pdf/DZT_WM_Bilanz_Bro2008_Eng.pdf

Then you'd be happy. Like it or not, the AFL has not told them to piss off and willing to negotiate for the small facets of the bid which do affect the AFL.

If the FFA weren't communicating their requests to the AFL then what were the many meetings about the issue in the past year about? Clearly what happened in the negotiations during the past 12 months is that the AFL began to realise that there was no way they could have all their demands...

Are we talking about direct loss of revenue here? Because if the AFL tries to gain compensation from the FFA because football is taking away interest from the AFL then the AFL won't get anywhere.

Who knows what went on behind closed doors, but from reading this it seems to me like the AFL didn't have much of a choice: http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/96590,aleague-wins-dome-code-battle.aspx Anyway, I'm not denying that the World Cup bid needs AFL support to use the MCG and or Etihad...

Why?

x2. The AFL aren't running the World Cup bid, they don't need to know any more than what directly affects them. The FFA also have no obligation to reveal every detail of their bid to the public - the bid is primarily a matter for the FFA and the government.

Unless anyone on here has a copy of the contract I don't think we can say with certainty that there is nothing like that include in the contract. I know that this year Etihad Stadium were able to force the AFL to move a NAB cup game so that the A-league grand final could be played on a...

Agree completely. There will obviously be some compensation for the AFL, but some are suggesting it would be in the order of $600 million - for which price they could upgrade Swan Street to 50,000 as well as building a second venue in Melbourne. $100 million is a much more realistic figure - and...

We're talking about the World's biggest event, not Australia's biggest. In Europe (and South America, and Africa, and Asia, and central America), the interest in football dwarfs the interest in the Olympics. Yes the Olympics does have a way of drawing an interest from those who are not...

Which is why they'll play games in February instead, which should see no major drop in crowd numbers, severely limiting the AFL's compensation claims.

You're suggesting the FFA should have all stadiums built before they even bid? Come off it. By the way - it won't be the taxpayers paying for the improvements in infrastructure for football - it will be the millions of travelling football fans, who will more than pay back the taxpayer for...

Word of advice... you're losing all credibility. World Cup >> Olympics in terms of economic impact, tv viewing, tourists, travelling fans - everything.

It does, but FIFA doesn't want a World Cup in China. Unlike the Olympics, China won't be able to win a World Cup by buying the votes of poor countries.

Rugby and Cricket receive their fair share of handouts. Government is funding the upgrades to Adelaide Oval and the SCG, spent a lot of money on the 2003 rugby world cup. Soccer doesn't need assistance, FIFA could make just as much money by playing the World Cup in an already established...

Really, name one?

Okay - you're right. But I guarantee you this AFL mess won't have a negative affect. If the US want to go after China and India they'll be having this World Cup in Australia. The US is already full of established sports, soccer has tried and failed to make any headway there.

Quite Likely. FIFA would relish the chance to remind another code of it's place.

Because they're a local organisation, that encourages massive participation in football, improving the health of the nation, while representing and promoting Australia on the World stage.