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Your words " he had an extra 1 mill to poach players which included B.Hall, D.Jolly, N.Davis, P.Williams, J.Ball and others at the time". So again 1 out of the 5 players you mentioned could be classified as "poached" And you base your $1M figure on "Eddie told me so" Credible much

Whether you like Roos or not at least try to post factual information The COL allowance isn't $1M today so how could it be $1M 10 years ago when it is percentage based Secondly Hall, Ball and Williams were recruited by Rocket Eade before Roos took over as coach and even then only Hall could...

This is all speculation as Roos has said himself that it is lees about the club and more about his "want to coach" or lack there of. But I find it funny a Richmond supporter saying Roos is overrated, given his record of playing finals 7 out of 8 years, 3 prelims, 2 GF's and 1 premiership with...

Whether Pyke has played better or worse is subjective, but the thing that can't be denied is that Pyke has gone from a defensive ruckman to an all rounder that can now go forward and take a grab. He is right up there this year for contested marks, which is one of the hardest parts of our game...

Lets hope next years trade period is cut to 1 week for free agency and 1 week for trades, the only people happy with this stalemate are our ISP's!! Interesting play by GWS as initially I thought it was to strengthen Adelaide's position, but since they never actually spoke to Tippett or...

Ireland has been football manager and now CEO of the swans since 2002- during that time he has presided over one of, or if not the best teams in terms of identifying "needs players" for the swans to recruit and getting the deal done and getting the player to the club. The only player we have...

The point the Brisbane list manager (can't think of his name) was making, was that they have moved on from Tippett and allocated the cap space to Moloney and potentially a Dawes or the like- I don't know that they would have the cap space to take Tippett now. Would GC have the cap and list...

The Rawlings one is interesting as he went to the Bulldogs via a dodgy draft deal with Hawthorn and ended up at North anyway Stevens as I stated earlier had a preference for Collingwood, but was happy with Carlton, another big Melbourne club- interesting comparison as Choco Williams stood his...

Yeah fair point - in the context of Jeff Kennett, not a good comparison, Kennett was only the mouthpiece at Hawthorn, knew very little about our game. Ireland on the other hand has played and administered at the highest level and his comments should be given credence

Brisbane have already ruled themselves out of the race (stated Wednesday on SEN by the Brisbane list manager), as have GC and Adelaide said they won't re- draft Tippett Do I think he will go to the PSD? Highly unlikely But as I have stated earlier in nearly all cases, players that go to the...

Nice diversion - so you agree Ireland has the credentials and his words should be given credence?

You clearly don't know Andrew Ireland's background!! Remember Brisbane 01- 03 - he was one of the architects of one of the best teams in AFL history. (not saying the Swans are in the brisbane bracket but he certainly has the credentials)

Yeah fair point it was Lewis Johnston (pick 14) at worst that is a win win trade Never said we paid overs, was making the point that we had built up trade credits You could argue Scott Stevens = Adelaide Win Tony Armstrong/ Lewis Johnston =/<Adelaide - won't know for 2- 3 years but could...

The wording is irrelevant 2 Hacks/ 2 Premiership players/ 2 Magarey Medalists, you are still ignoring the point that a trade value is decided by whether you are in a position of strength or weakness. Player in contract = seller has the position of strength Player out of contract = buyer has...

You missed the point clearly- lets call them a Goal sneak and mid size defender both in their early 20's that we virtually gave away for a second round pick. Dempster was named All Australian this year, so we could cry about losing him as the "steak knives" in the deal or be satisfied that he...

Chris Dawes has a 2 year contract with the Pies so can't compare this to the Tippett situation as the PSD is out of the question for Dawes Trading is not always about "winning or losing" as it depends on the individual situation. Jolly had a 4 year contract- so we received pick 6 and 14 for...

Scott Stevens was traded for an exchange of picks, not for the actual picks. I am not comparing him to Tippett, but as the swans did with Schneider and Dempster to the saints, they have shown they will assist players get a second crack at AFL for a nominal amount as a goodwill gesture.

Wow 253 pages- it has clearly it a raw nerve! I understand as Tippett did say he wanted to go home. But correct me if I am wrong didn't he also stay for an additional 2- 3 years when GC came as a show of faith? The way I see it, it is now skewed in the swans favour as Brisbane, GC and...

This year reminds me of 2003- we went into the finals losing 3 out of our last 5 and Micky O in rnd 22 and then upset Port Adelaide in Adelaide in the QF- who were raging favourites. Let's hope we do it again as this year I think making a prelim would be a great result.

Anyone heard the Grundy to Adelaide for Scott Thompson rumour? I stress it is a rumour, but raises an interesting point of what would we be willing to give up to get the "outside class" so lacking in our midfield Paul Williams was a great example of the impact an experienced classy...

Maybe the umpires are squaring off for McPhee tapping the ball back into play from the 3rd row to McVeigh to win the game in 2008 Or Matthew "Luganos" Lloyd diving for his whole career. Or Hirdy investing $20K in the McClaren/ umpires fund to get the umps on side 1 week later against the...

Surprised an Essendon supporter would bring up Round 1 form as a "barometer" for the whole season. 2006- Bombers flogged the reigning premiers (swans) in Rnd 1 and then lost 13 or 14 in a row to finish 15th 2007- Flogged Adelaide to finish 12th 2008 flogged north to finish 12th 2009-...

No problems there but some of the comments like "I am glad Roos is leaving..." or "bloods culture is dead..." "roos is like eade in 2002" Just ridiculous and so shortsighted

Sheesh must be some embarrassed souls after re- reading this thread. Post apologies here...... Now I realise it is easy to comment with hindsight and I have made emotional comments after a loss (eg Kirk not up to AFL standard in 2002) - but jeez some jumped off quick!!

All I can say is thank christ that we have Roos and co as selectors and not some bigfooty posters- they would 11 changes each week and then wonder why the team still isn't performing. Simple rules of selection: 1. Easy to say drop ABC for a poor performance, but will player XYZ be an...

I am a regular reader but rarely post, thought I would throw my 20c worth in. I am amazed at how quickly some jump off a proven coach with a proven record in a year that was always going to be about development. Roos has always stated that he won't gift games to blokes that aren't ready...

Or belt women while lining up for a taxi? I get your point- he hasn't murdered anyone- but how many chances do you give someone before you show them the door. I applaud the bulldogs for putting a line in the sand and saying "no more" Let's call a spade a spade Aker is a selfish...

So it's Mattner's fault that buddy bumped in the head? Or Roosy's fault? Talk about delusional. If you are talking about game plan- the Hawks push more players behind the play than any team- except you call it a cluster not a flood. We play man on man. How about we talk about Campbell...

Reminds me of a story that Rocket Eade tells. In late 95 when Rocket Eade arrived at the Swans first training session, he asked the players to seperate into 2 groups, "Firsts" and Reserves players. Brett Kirk was on the "supplementary list" at that stage so not even in the 2's, but boldly...

It would be most fitting if his "lap of honour" (in September preferably), is in a Ford Cortina convertible- with the Dalai Lama driving!! Seriously thought this guys was finished in late 2002, early 2003, but he made a career of proving people wrong. Champion bloke and will go down as a...