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  1. ThePope

    Research Missing DOD or DOB for League players (AFL)

    Sorting our the source of the V/AFL DOB will be hard, but we have a NAA immigration form and the headstone that both indicate that he used the 25th as his DOB. In my view that is enough to convince the AFL that it is the date he used - both an official form and a private record. It might be...
  2. ThePope

    Research Recent Deaths

    Oliver G the Brisbane HSun notice has the date wrong. The Lions Hist Soc has the right one, with matching posts from his son Brad - 4 April, not 10 April 2024.
  3. ThePope

    Research Missing DOD or DOB for League players (AFL)

    I'm thinking it's the same guy. I've reached out to Gigs on bluesky if he's got any more info, being a Dogs fan/historian. Date - born in a POW camp it could be date born vs date registered? Rugby - it was a Lismore story - he may have said "footy" and the NSW bias in the reporter changed it...
  4. ThePope

    Research Recent Deaths

    Ted "Square" Kilmurray. 10 Jan 2025. East Perth: https://eastperthfc.com.au/news/25926/vale-ted-kilmurray
  5. ThePope

    Research Missing DOD or DOB for League players (AFL)

    🤦‍♀️ Comparison date was hardcoded.... rewriting the code now... will update the links....
  6. ThePope

    Research Missing DOD or DOB for League players (AFL)

    Oldest confirmed: https://w.wiki/Ci4T Oldest without a confirmed date of death: https://w.wiki/Ci4Z (including obviously death date missing ones) Oldest without a confirmed date of death by club: Carlton Collingwood Essendon Fitzroy Footscray Geelong Hawthorn Melbourne North...
  7. ThePope

    Research Recent Deaths

    Neeson is on this list of people over 80 without a date of deaths. Some, obviously are still alive. Others, are not, but hard to find. Here are the Hawthorn over 90s: wd:Q19975141 Arch Robinson (VFA) 134 9 July 1890 wd:Q20679321 Alf Neeson 110 15 June 1914 wd:Q21176272 Jack Taylor 100 9...
  8. ThePope

    Research Recent Deaths

    There is nothing I can see in Ryerson, it may be that he had no next of kin or was estranged from them, so they may have had to wait 12 months? Is that a thing? Curiously, upon googling his full name, Martin Bryant was charged with attempting to murder a man by that same name. The court...
  9. ThePope

    Research Recent Deaths

    Thanks for that. Wikidata/Wikipedia should always just reflect the truth, not be the setter of it. The "member of sports team" parameter is able to differentiate by league, and/or time, but those qualifiers aren't often used, and the queries I use don't account for it, so the VFA vs VFL is...
  10. ThePope

    Research Recent Deaths

    515 players are listed on WikiData.
  11. ThePope

    Resource List thread - Inaccuracy in official records

    Still there. Both Lyle and his wife are still alive as of last year. Tarren has a locked profile, but might accept messages: https://www.facebook.com/share/p/gzehYcVQfLN94CtW/
  12. ThePope

    Research Recent Deaths

    2 Sept 2024 from the death notices. Full name is Christopher Wayne Duke. Funeral is on this Wed 18 Sept. Oliver G
  13. ThePope

    Research Recent Deaths

    Here's the matching grave inscription. Can't really update it on wikipedia until it's published elsewhere (hint hint Oliver G )
  14. ThePope

    Research Recent Deaths

    Just found the replay of the Hall of Fame In Memoriam tribute (hidden in an AFL360 episode S2024EP46). List of players featured. Appears to be in approximate recent to oldest death order: Tom Grljusich Ron Branton John Todd Ken Tierney (26 May 2024) John Goold John Beckwith Bill Serong Malcolm...
  15. ThePope

    Research Recent Deaths

    A Jacqueline is mentioned in the death notice too. Geoff has 2 sons, so the name would carry on.
  16. ThePope

    Research Recent Deaths

    Tom Grljusich, South Freo and Centrals, has died. 8 June 2024 from the death notice.
  17. ThePope

    Research Recent Deaths

    With Morris, unless I have missed some, or the data isn't correctly in WikiData, there have only been 3 Senior Richmond players die this year. Full list. 1965 was the deadliest year for the Tigers with 15 deaths. More recently, 2003, 2006, 2011 and 2016 each had 11 deaths. Only 2 in 2022 and 3...
  18. ThePope

    Research Recent Deaths

    John Beckwith, as announced by Melbourne FC. No specific date of death yet.
  19. ThePope

    Resource List thread - Inaccuracy in official records

    I once tried to work out Stephen Michael's games played, but night games were counted - after all they were "real" games, not pre-season back then in the 70s/80s. Sometimes State games were counted too - because sometimes they happened on a weekend when the comp didn't get a bye. The famous...
  20. ThePope

    Research Recent Deaths

    Graham Scott, a few games for St Kilda and Melbourne after many for South Freo died recently according to this notice and some messages in the South Freo Facebook group
  21. ThePope

    Research Recent Deaths

    I think Collingwood's oldest living player is now one of the 93 year olds: Dave Morgan, Ron McKenzie or Arthur Gooch, none of who we seem to have ever researched here. There are no known DODs for the almost sesquicentenarians George Lockwood and Tom Lee. Frank Corby is almost 100, but has been...
  22. ThePope

    Research Recent Deaths

    I got a reply from Dan Eddy advising that Colliver died on 19 May 2023. Oliver G
  23. ThePope

    Research Missing DOD or DOB for League players (AFL)

    Based on that electoral roll info, parents married in 1925, mum died in 1959, dad in 1968. Interesting that Dad didn't have Ferris on his marriage or electoral roll, but does in his death notice Marriage:EVANS Nellie HUTCHINS, Mervyn 1925 10866/1925 HUTCHINS Mervyn Ferris Death notice 14AUG1968...
  24. ThePope

    Research Missing DOD or DOB for League players (AFL)

    My oldest living (actually "no death date" than confirmed living) player lists from Wikidata, for those that prefer to work by team than league wide: North Melbourne Footscray Other teams: Carlton Collingwood * Essendon Fitzroy Geelong Hawthorn * Melbourne St Kilda South...
  25. ThePope

    Research Recent Deaths

    This is the list of known deaths of Australian footballers with Wikipedia articles from June 2023 to May 2024. This is the code to retrieve the list from WikiData. Separate lists for other years are found elsewhere in this thread: From June 2017 to May 2018 From June 2018 to May 2019 From June...
  26. ThePope

    Research Missing DOD or DOB for League players (AFL)

    As an example, the 2 that I found years ago with "US style" birthdate mixups are Player AFL Tables DOB AustralianFootball DOB Other DOB WikiPedia/WikiData DOB Peter Warburton (footballer) (Carlton) 3 Sep 1951 3 Sep 1951 9 Mar 1951 (Blueseum) 3 Sep 1951 Frank Hodgins (Geelong) 4 May 1888 5...
  27. ThePope

    Research Missing DOD or DOB for League players (AFL)

    The benefit of the tables is it's a bit more of a direct link to the articles. I updated most of them last night, didn't that that long. The problem with the birthdate mixups is working out which version is actually correct. Could be any of the versions in any of the sources. Often they all are...
  28. ThePope

    Research Missing DOD or DOB for League players (AFL)

    Randomly checking from that list, I found Dick Jones, East Freo, South Melbourne, Glenelg & West Torrens, died in 2013. Ryerson & cemetery records confirm.
  29. ThePope

    Research Missing DOD or DOB for League players (AFL)

    Forgot that page exists! All of the links to the sources should still work, so ignore the tables (or update them yourself if you know how) and just use those links.
  30. ThePope

    Query Oldest Living Team?

    We often hear about a player being the "oldest living premiership player" or other similar "last player alive". But I've often thought about the opposite: what is the oldest game (or team, or grand final winning team) that is still complete - all 20/21/22 players are still alive - or even...
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