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i'd imagine collingwood would be doing everything it can to hang on to leon. still a gun. if you guys can pick up fev with leon crumbing, wow what a combo. surely a premiership in the next 2-3 years...

no argument that davis is better than stokes will ever be but thats not the point. stokes is a decent player that can fill a serious void for wce for many years to come. as i said, if davis were a couple years younger, different story... stokes won't cost wce anythig like pick 7 either. i...

this deal won't happen. WCE are after an experienced forward pocket but not one that probably has only 3 years left in the game. this is why we are/were chasing stokes. he is experienced yet has a lot of years left. he should be peaking about the time we are playing finals again. davis will...

keeping him isn't an option. he can't get a game in front of cox (best ruck in the comp) or natanui (best up and coming ruck in the comp). as such has requested a trade to a club where he will get more opportunity and as it stands at the moment sydney coaching staff thinks he will get more...

delighted that you think third round pick is still good value this year. you won't mind at all then when we give you seaby and our third round pick in exchange for your second round pick. :D pick 38 alone would be highway robbery for a quality ruck just coming in to his prime. he also brings...

Re: Sydney offer Seaby a 3 year deal modest players don't finish top 5 - unless half the squad fell over this year which obviously didn't happen. i guess you have to look at guys like brock mclean and chris tarrant. mclean was traded for 11 and i just read on foxsports tarrant may go for a...

Re: Sydney offer Seaby a 3 year deal its pointless how we rate lynch within the context of our own team. its how others see him and how he might fit in to their structure. all things being equal, I think lynch is - at best - a late first rounder. Under the right conditions (weak draft...

you may not rate him but clearly your coaching staff do. you don't offer 3-yr deals to players you don't rate. i also don't see a lot of glowing references to your backup ruck stocks on this thread. i still think the most likely outcome will be someones second round pick for seaby and west...

if this is the best offer, i feel WCE would be better letting him through to the PSD where he will - almost certainly - be picked up before swans first pick. unlikely wce will even use pick 39 in a draft this thin so there is literally no gain for wce trading seaby for that pick.

Re: Sydney offer Seaby a 3 year deal spot on. if a club has a serious need for a lynch type, i can see them using a mid first round pick. pick 5 or 6 is perhaps a bit optimistic however 8 to 10 definitely (particulalry this year). its a little like carlton using pick 11 on brock mclean...

just reading pies board. someone made comment that the only crumber in forward line was davis. lecras and porps are both leading small forwards. perhaps this was the rationale?

Re: Staker for Bower? funny you should mention ignorant. i've never come across so many blokes that are blind to what the rest of the comp sees. you appear to be the king in this regard. congratulations. fyi, there is no way bower would get a game before either mitch brown or darren...

Re: Staker for Bower? no chance, enjoying this too much. you guys are great. the abuse is first class..some of the best i have encountered. i will say it again. YOU think your defenders are very good. with the exception of a couple perhaps, the reality is they aren't. ask around...

Re: Staker for Bower? i keep hearing you blokes talking about injuries this year suggesting that perhaps with your best defence out there you would have gone further this year. the truth is, your best defenders aren't that good and that was the point the commentators (and fellow carlton...

Re: Staker for Bower? if i knew the bloody opponents i would go and look up what actually happened in those games. i watched 8 or 9 carlton games this year and i know a couple were friday night games. my general impression from what i saw in these games (and what i have heard from...

Re: Staker for Bower? are you suggesting that bower is better than glass based on these averages? i seriously hope not. i didn't see Bower's name nominated for AA this year. its brent staker by the way not brett. there is a reason why people don't look at numbers to determine a players...

Re: Staker for Bower? you are joking aren't you? its a little like asking what rides you liked at Disneyland and then asking what day you were there. if you are going to comment, perhaps a little common sense should be applied.

Re: Staker for Bower? no chance I'm afraid. have seen a couple of friday night games featuring carlton but thats about as good as i get.

Re: Staker for Bower? lets be fair here. you make it sound like its all one way traffic. i've acknowledged that you guys have a pretty good outfit (better than us right now) but I have serious concerns about your defence. I think it will be ok I just don't see it ever being a strength of...

Re: Staker for Bower? [/B] i think this afternoons dialogue clearly demonstrates that isn't the case. i've changed my mind. can i stay for a while? you guys are quite amusing. alternatively you can ban me. i would be inconsolable...

Re: Staker for Bower? grow up sport. was hoping to get some more intelligent conversation from you lot. will head back to the west coast board where the demographic is perhaps a smidge higher.

Re: Staker for Bower? when you have taken off those rose coloured glasses lets chat...

Re: Staker for Bower? you obviously missed the bit (in that same post) where i said "having watched bower a number of times this year" you really need to pay more attention...

Re: Staker for Bower? suggest you go back and read my post. i have formed my own opinion watching bower play this year which was clearly stated. i don't rate him, its as simple as that. you may not agree thats fine. you don't rate mitch brown. i happen to believe mitch will be a gun. i...

Re: Staker for Bower? weight of numbers. not many people, carlton supporters included, that I've talked too seem to rate carltons defence. pretty common theme for a couple of years now. have heard a number of commentators (don't ask me who..my memory isn't that good) this season question...

Re: Staker for Bower? wouldn't work for either club. staker wouldn't get a game for carlton and bower wouldn't get a guernsey at the eagles. most good judges would rate the Eagles defence as having far more potential than carltons. still the missing link in carltons makeup...