What do we do with all these ruckmen?

[captain peanut]

all the trade threads on every board not just your post have so many 'experts' and Im over it, and posts like yours, from posters that hop around looking for rumours and then spreading them more and more give me the shits, I just wanna read facts mate.. (just my opinion I dont speak for other posters here so feel free to continue your crap)

consider it crap if you like

but all the evidence supports everything i have heard and said on here. why would the swans be chasing seaby if they weren't looking at parting with jolly? so they can have jolly, seaby, white, currie, orreal, pyke all on the 1 list? i doubt it. they are 1 club that has been very astute in their trading over the years and they may see seaby as the next jolly - jolly was no star when he came across from the dees but look what they have developed him in to. i am sure they can see the benefit in getting a high draft pick and/or player in at the expense of a bloke who has maybe 3 years left and who won't be around when the next serious finals push comes

guess we will find out next week

 

[BIGBEZ]

consider it crap if you like

but all the evidence supports everything i have heard and said on here. why would the swans be chasing seaby if they weren't looking at parting with jolly? so they can have jolly, seaby, white, currie, orreal, pyke all on the 1 list? i doubt it. they are 1 club that has been very astute in their trading over the years and they may see seaby as the next jolly - jolly was no star when he came across from the dees but look what they have developed him in to. i am sure they can see the benefit in getting a high draft pick and/or player in at the expense of a bloke who has maybe 3 years left and who won't be around when the next serious finals push comes

guess we will find out next week

its all rumour mate, the whole topic at the moment is and everyone gets their 'hot tips' right here on bigfooty and run with it and it becomes fact, just like you and many others are doing, and by next week theres been that many scenarios that a few will be right and they will go around beating their chests, they will then claim they are 'experts'...

ok fair enough if you enjoy that each to their own...

 

[barry fu]

consider it crap if you like

but all the evidence supports everything i have heard and said on here. why would the swans be chasing seaby if they weren't looking at parting with jolly? so they can have jolly, seaby, white, currie, orreal, pyke all on the 1 list? i doubt it. they are 1 club that has been very astute in their trading over the years and they may see seaby as the next jolly - jolly was no star when he came across from the dees but look what they have developed him in to. i am sure they can see the benefit in getting a high draft pick and/or player in at the expense of a bloke who has maybe 3 years left and who won't be around when the next serious finals push comes

guess we will find out next week

Bloody hell, that would be the equivalent of trading in your vaccum cleaner for a dust pan and brush. Mrs Fu wouldn't go for it and I don't see how the recruiting guys could sell it to Roos either, unless they got to him on mad monday. Tell Mr X to stay off the heavy, and if he is not convinced show him footage of Fev's Brownlow blowout.

 

[wintz73]

correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't clubs obligated to draft 3 players a year.... hence pick 38 will be used if accepted

and isn't WC a relatively young side, hence will be keen to take kids in the next few drafts

won't the combination of pick 38 and 39 provide the club a strong ground in the draft (i.e. wouldn't have to worry that a player you rate at that particular piont will be snatched before your next pick)

in addition... Seaby will not be snatched in the first 2 rounds of the draft.... if he was picked up in the 3rd round, we're in prime position anyway given our high 3rd round pick..... the same pick we're offering you

and saying that i don't even reckon he'll be picked in the 3rd round

if he goes to psd, so be it.... not many fans are that keen to have him at the club anyway..... but pick 38 is hardly a rubbish pick

you may not rate him but clearly your coaching staff do. you don't offer 3-yr deals to players you don't rate. i also don't see a lot of glowing references to your backup ruck stocks on this thread.

i still think the most likely outcome will be someones second round pick for seaby and west coast 3rd round pick. of course it may work out that we do a straight swap for someones third round pick and in such a case the club recieving seaby will have gotten a very very good deal. he's no cox or jolly but given the opportunity he will be an excellent backup and a handy forward option.

 

[kira]

you may not rate him but clearly your coaching staff do. you don't offer 3-yr deals to players you don't rate. i also don't see a lot of glowing references to your backup ruck stocks on this thread.

i still think the most likely outcome will be someones second round pick for seaby and west coast 3rd round pick. of course it may work out that we do a straight swap for someones third round pick and in such a case the club recieving seaby will have gotten a very very good deal. he's no cox or jolly but given the opportunity he will be an excellent backup and a handy forward option.

more reason to let him slip in the draft i say

a player can set the terms of their contract when entering the draft..... how many teams will be willing to meet the same conditions the swans are prepared to give

i still think you WC fans are really reaching for the stars when asking for our second round pick.... as i explained in my previous post, pick 38 is still a decent pick

 

[wintz73]

more reason to let him slip in the draft i say

a player can set the terms of their contract when entering the draft..... how many teams will be willing to meet the same conditions the swans are prepared to give

i still think you WC fans are really reaching for the stars when asking for our second round pick.... as i explained in my previous post, pick 38 is still a decent pick

delighted that you think third round pick is still good value this year. you won't mind at all then when we give you seaby and our third round pick in exchange for your second round pick.

pick 38 alone would be highway robbery for a quality ruck just coming in to his prime. he also brings to your club a great perm and that sort of thing is difficult to value...

 

[kira]

delighted that you think third round pick is still good value this year. you won't mind at all then when we give you seaby and our third round pick in exchange for your second round pick.

pick 38 alone would be highway robbery for a quality ruck just coming in to his prime. he also brings to your club a great perm and that sort of thing is difficult to value...

then why don't you keep him?

when cox was injured, why didn't you guys play him?

why was his performances mediocre in the WAFL?

quality ruck

anyway you guys would be lucky to get whatever get, like i said he can enter the draft and express his terms of contract if drafted.... no club other than sydney would match the offer, hence no club is likely to draft seaby except us if he went into the draft

 

[wintz73]

then why don't you keep him?

when cox was injured, why didn't you guys play him?

why was his performances mediocre in the WAFL?

quality ruck

anyway you guys would be lucky to get whatever get, like i said he can enter the draft and express his terms of contract if drafted.... no club other than sydney would match the offer, hence no club is likely to draft seaby except us if he went into the draft

keeping him isn't an option. he can't get a game in front of cox (best ruck in the comp) or natanui (best up and coming ruck in the comp). as such has requested a trade to a club where he will get more opportunity and as it stands at the moment sydney coaching staff thinks he will get more opportunity at the swans and thats good enough for seabs.

as for when cox was injured, worsfold has already admitted that seaby was a better option than lynch (our pinch hitting ruckman/forward) at the time. however, worsfold didn't see seaby as part of our plan for 2010 (and beyond) when cox/nicnat fully fit and we weren' exactly in contention for finals this year much of this year has been about experimentation. had we got off to flyer and in the top 8 when cox injured, seaby would have played the remainder of the year as first ruck.

as for mediocre form in wafl, didn't think it was too bad but i don't have any stats to back it up. i certainly noticed a couple of write-ups in the Monday paper where he was best on ground. that said, there were probably plenty of times i read and he didn't get mentioned at all.

why you so sure no one in front of you in PSD can match the sydney offer? if there are ligit reasons here then I would say you are right in suggesting pick 38 is a good result for wce. what say ye?

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

consider it crap if you like

but all the evidence supports everything i have heard and said on here. why would the swans be chasing seaby if they weren't looking at parting with jolly? so they can have jolly, seaby, white, currie, orreal, pyke all on the 1 list?

White isn't a ruckman and three of those names are still very raw.

i am sure they can see the benefit in getting a high draft pick and/or player in at the expense of a bloke who has maybe 3 years left and who won't be around when the next serious finals push comes

guess we will find out next week

Jolly could easily play for 4-5 years. You don't think we're a chance for the top 8 within the next 4-5 years?

 

[tonynotte]

Here we go again..

Nope, nope and um nope. any reading of the other board would already tell you what we thought of that idea. IF other clubs are that keen on him good for them, if there not you ll get our third pick. And that's the way I believe the swans will play it too.

Seaby and pick 28 (that we aquire from Staker trade to brisbane -staker and 39 for pick 28 just for the record) for pick 22?

 

[kira]

Seaby and pick 28 (that we aquire from Staker trade to brisbane -staker and 39 for pick 28 just for the record) for pick 22?

like vonn (i believe) had said in the other thread... 3rd rounder or psd

from your post it's clear you value a 2nd round pick upgrade moreso than a 3rd round pick

same situation here.... we'll be keen to hold onto pick 22, moreso than our 3rd rounder

 

[captain peanut]

rumour has it that Shaq Oneil will be signing with us, hes been secretly learning how to play ruck in outback Australia, but shhh, dont tell anyone...

why is eveyone trying to sound like a bloody expert in all these bloody trade threads??

how did you end up in the negotiations with shaq?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/pies-make-jolly-offer/story-e6frf9jf-1225782324014

 

[didaka]

It's obvious to see why you're luring Seaby now with Collingwood targeting Jolly.

Anyhow I think Seaby will become a very good ruckman for Sydney.

Hopefully if we get a deal done it's works out for both clubs because I have a very large soft spot for your football side with my grandparents old South Melbourne supporters.

I'd expect us to offer a sweetener with 14.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

I'd suggest it better be a pretty huge sweetener. Pick 14 isn't close to what Jolly is worth.

 

[robbieando]

Pick 14 and Nathan Brown AT the very least.

We get another 1st Round Pick and get a player who we add to our Key Position Defender Stocks. You get Darren Jolly, one of the Top 5 Ruckmen in the AFL.

Maybe throw in Brad Dick as well so we can cover our small forward needs and maybe we might throw in the Pick we get for Barry Hall.

 

[CAS79]

It's obvious to see why you're luring Seaby now with Collingwood targeting Jolly.

Anyhow I think Seaby will become a very good ruckman for Sydney.

Hopefully if we get a deal done it's works out for both clubs because I have a very large soft spot for your football side with my grandparents old South Melbourne supporters.

I'd expect us to offer a sweetener with 14.

It's Darren Jolly, pick 14 will be the sweetner.

 

[didaka]

I'm sure the deal will be sufficient if we land him. We're really not that hard to deal with.

It will interesting to see what Sydney demand, they are a strange mob during this time of the year.

Good on them though. They've got the best out of plenty of deals.

They'll turn Seaby into a star.

Cameron Wood would likely ask for trade if Jolly is lured to Collingwood.

 

[CAS79]

I'm sure the deal will be sufficient if we land him. We're really not that hard to deal with.

It will interesting to see what Sydney demand, they are a strange mob during this time of the year.

Good on them though. They've got the best out of plenty of deals.

They'll turn Seaby into a star.

Cameron Wood would likely ask for trade if Jolly is lured to Collingwood.

If this happens I want Wood on the trade.

 

[SM]

It's obvious to see why you're luring Seaby now with Collingwood targeting Jolly.

Anyhow I think Seaby will become a very good ruckman for Sydney.

Hopefully if we get a deal done it's works out for both clubs because I have a very large soft spot for your football side with my grandparents old South Melbourne supporters.

I'd expect us to offer a sweetener with 14.

Seaby's been on the cards for weeks now, Jolly has only just now announced he wants to move home though, hasn't he?

 

[captain peanut]

Pick 14 and Nathan Brown AT the very least.

We get another 1st Round Pick and get a player who we add to our Key Position Defender Stocks. You get Darren Jolly, one of the Top 5 Ruckmen in the AFL.

Maybe throw in Brad Dick as well so we can cover our small forward needs and maybe we might throw in the Pick we get for Barry Hall.

dream on. pick 14 n brown and dick?? so you want a top 15 pick, a 10 year+ key defender and the next leon davis in return for a 28 year old ruckman who might have 4 years left at the top level? surely you jest

the deal is for pick 14 and a fringe player who if you believe the chatter at last night's copeland will be ryan cook. the deal is done and only has to be signed off on on monday morning

and for those bagging me for starting baseless rumours on here, well well well, i hate to say i told you so but.....

 

[SM]

Mate, Jolly would put you guys in a prime position to win a flag. Same with the Bullies and Hall, surely at this stage Draft Picks and young players are inconsequential if the player you're trading for can (read could, not will) deliver you a flag right here, right now.

 

[CAS79]

dream on. pick 14 n brown and dick?? so you want a top 15 pick, a 10 year+ key defender and the next leon davis in return for a 28 year old ruckman who might have 4 years left at the top level? surely you jest

the deal is for pick 14 and a fringe player who if you believe the chatter at last night's copeland will be ryan cook. the deal is done and only has to be signed off on on monday morning

and for those bagging me for starting baseless rumours on here, well well well, i hate to say i told you so but.....

Ahhh.... now I know where there has come from Chatter at the best and fairest with the journo's Smile boys and girls.

This is a great tradition at football clubs B & F... who can pretend to be drunk and make the journo's believe they have a scoop from a player who may have loose lips.

Than today they have a laught at what they achieved.

 

[SM]

Has the news Jolly wants to return to Melbourne come from the Swans, or from Collingwood? Depending on the answer would test the validity of this.

Just looked up Cook. Besides the interesting coincidence of being Eski's step-brother, doesn't look very appealing.

 

[LondonCalling]

Straight swap - Jolly for Fraser, with picks swapped (to Sydney's advantage)?

 

[legend166]

Straight swap - Jolly for Fraser, with picks swapped (to Sydney's advantage)?

Why would we ever do that?

You have to remember, Jolly is still under contract. He can't walk to the PSD. So we don't have to trade. Sure, we'll probably try to because he wants to leave, but we're not going to do that trade.

Jolly is twice the player Fraser is.