Past #1: Hamish McIntosh - drafted at pick 9 in '02 ND - traded to Geelong for #36 in '12 trade period

[hundini]

I found this web page, that has STACKS of info on new recruits.
I looked up Hamish McIntosh, and I recoif Hamish is sensitive at all, I wouldn't recommend he read it.

Anyway it is one person's opinion but he obviously has done plenty of research.



http://users.bigpond.com/tropin/draft/profiles/HamishMcIntosh.htm

 

[King Corey]

Yeh those profiles were floating around a while back and are very well done.

I'll let Carlos respond as he had some valid points to this profile (McIntosh) a while back.

 

[Groucho]

Yeah this was by a guy called Colin Wisbey and he is admired for his in depth analysis of U18 players. I think he's a bit off the mark here when talking about an 18 year old kid who's 202cm. You simply cannot form opinions on big guys at that age the way you can smaller midfielders and runners as development takes so much longer and in an AFL environment any perceived weaknesses are worked on. A concentrated weights program to convert the puppy fat would most likely solve the problems that Colin thinks he has.

 

[Ausgard]

Originally posted by Groucho
Yeah this was by a guy called Colin Wisbey and he is admired for his in depth analysis of U18 players.

Nothing wrong with an opinion though. I would even suggest that Hamish having a look at it would be a good thing.

Its not just someone slinging mud and speculates alot on what his weaknesses are.

Might give the kid an idea of what others see in his game as problems and from there he can come up with solutions.

 

[Shinboners]

It's a pretty thorough analysis, but as has been pointed out, it's only one person's opinion - albeit from someone who knows his stuff pretty well.

The interesting thing is that McIntosh has been able to handle the setbacks (like getting dropped for the TAC Finals) and come back and improve. If he takes that attitude into senior footy, he'll be well on his way to making it.

 

[Groucho]

Originally posted by Ausgard
Nothing wrong with an opinion though. I would even suggest that Hamish having a look at it would be a good thing.

Its not just someone slinging mud and speculates alot on what his weaknesses are.

Might give the kid an idea of what others see in his game as problems and from there he can come up with solutions.

Oh yeah I quite agree and really enjoyed reading Colin's stuff. It just seemed strange to me,even before Hamish was drafted by us,that he went in so hard for this kid as it seemed out of kilter with his other profiles which were constructively critical. I guess he just doesn't rate the kid at all and it's all in the "wait and see" basket.

 

[Kimbo]

I've been trying where to find Wisbey's summaries. I notice that this site has a link to the Blake Grima one... (below) which is pretty positive. I can see why he is being likened to Stevo.

http://users.bigpond.com/tropin/draft/BlakeGrima.htm

Anyone know where I can find Wisbey's comments on Shore, Perry, Urch? Did he do one on Wells, as a non-Victorian?

 

[tashibatts]

As far as I know there isnt one on Perry or Shore or Wells or Urch..

They are good, in depth profiles. Grima was a huge steal at #38

Go Roos

 

[King Corey]

Originally posted by tashibatts

Grima was a huge steal at #38

But what do you base that on? Because Colin Wiseby liked him?

Wasn't Anthony Corrie supposedly the steal of the draft 2 months ago?

 

[tashibatts]

Originally posted by King Corey
But what do you base that on? Because Colin Wiseby liked him?

Wasn't Anthony Corrie supposedly the steal of the draft 2 months ago?

I base it on Grima being highly rated, 1st or 2nd round. Probably not a very good thing to base it on, but we willl see.

Not according to me he wasnt.

Go Roos

 

[Briedis]

From what I have seen of Grima at training I would have to say he would seem to be a good pick up at #38. Guess we won't be able to really tell until he gets a few senior games....

 

[Mr. Blonde]

There is really no point in assessing how good recruits are until they have played 3 - 4 years in the AFL. Under 18's form is one thing, playing at the elite level is another.

Let's just wait for a few years and then we will see how good (or bad) McIntosh, Grima and the others really are.

 

[Kimbo]

Originally posted by Mr. Blonde
There is really no point in assessing how good recruits are until they have played 3 - 4 years in the AFL. Let's just wait for a few years and then we will see how good (or bad) McIntosh, Grima and the others really are.

Fair enough, but how does this fit with...

Originally posted by Mr. Blonde
Daniel Wells.... believe the hype!

Wells then Mr Blonde?

 

[benno87]

hey guys I know you attend the VFL games , so would I if I didnt live in stentching WA, haha. Can you tell me weather McIntosh will be our next FF option when Sav retires, or will he play ruck? I would love to see a 200cm FF, what would Matthew Scarlett and co. be able to do then? haha. But seriously? I know he kicked 4 on the weekend, can he do it in AFL?

And will he debut in 2003? my guess is no but havent seen him play?

 

[Darky]

Err.... no, I can't actually help you here. Have only been to one or two VFL games this year and watched a couple on the telly - much more prominent previous two years.

Of the games I saw, I think McIntosh played only one - the rest in the VFL reserves.

 

[Carlos]

(Take 3 on this response- keep losing my fricken internet connection!! )

From what i have seen, Hamish will more than likely develop into a key forward rather than a ruckman. Do keep in mind however that what i have seen is a kid in his first year on an AFL list and with a long way to go in terms of fitness and conditioning.

But the amount of improvement he has shown since i saw him at pre-season training as well as his first (and every) VFL game is massive.

His marking is the biggest standout feature. Whether it be those one-on-one stand firm type grabs (being taller than every other bloke on the field does help) or jumping into packs, they just stick to those big hands.

Some of the grabs i've seen him take he has had no right to have gotten to. Whether it be through poor delivery or being out of position, there have been times where he has just amazed me with his ability to still somehow get to contests and pluck them out of the air.

He moves pretty well for a big unit too and its improving all the time. He is also pretty handy below his knees and does seem to be coming to grips with the defensive side of things. Improving fitness would certainly help also.

But i think thats a big reason we havent seen a heap of him in the ruck. He just doesnt have the engine to do it at the moment. The few times i have seen him ruck, he does get off the ground pretty well and has a pretty nice palming technique, but then again, so did Lindsay Smith IMO. So i honestly cant say what his future prospects are like asa ruckman.

His only really big fault at this stage is his kicking for goal. Its not necessarily a technique thing or a Richo-like mental issue, but i think he just needs someone to go through a bit of a routine with him, because he seems to sometimes get a bit lazy and only go off 3 or 4 step run ups etc.

That said, he has still kicked some very nice goals this year, some from good distance as well. And he is certainly becoming a favourite with the Port supporters.

Will he play this year? I said to NorthBhoy in response to the same question at the game that even though Sav is still super-important to our structure in terms of matchups etc (and the flow on for Drew, Digby and Jones), there has to come a time where they also look at what he is contributing as a footballer and on the score board. Right now, that aint much.

If that continues for the next month or so, then it is possibly bullet-biting time for Sav. At the rate of improvement Hamish has shown to this point, by then i could imagine he'd be very much worth a couple games just to blood him and get the ball rolling. He looks like he'll very much be a player, so i cant really see the point in holding him back if the senior blokes arent doing the job.

 

[myee8]

Wot about Hale people? I think he can be a Brad Ottens type.

 

[harrowfornrs]

McIntosh played mostly as a key forward in his younger days apparently

 

[Carlos]

Originally posted by myee8
Wot about Hale people? I think he can be a Brad Ottens type.

Pretty sure Denis Pagan (and hence then every media person after that who knows who David Hale is) said something along those lines last year.

They seem to be developing him into a pure follower type this year. I cant recall too many occasions this year when he has played as a key forward for Port. Maybe at half forward here and there, but certainly not in the forward 50.

He has mainly spent his time in the ruck or floating around and just following the ball, or dropping back and sweeping. He has been solid to good all year, but he still needs conditioning from where i see it.

IMO he is the most likely prospect out of any of our young players (including Wells and D.Motlop), but i think the club are definately thinking about the bigger picture with him and just trying to put as much development into him while his body fills out. Next year and beyond, i cant see him spending a heap of time out of our senior team.

I still think he has a massive amount to offer as a marking forward, but it seems they are wanting to develope him more as a ruckman, which i can recall him saying that he eventually wanst as well.

So yeah, i guess the Ottens call might be applicable. I hope Hale has a bigger heart though...

 

[year of the roo]

i think some of the best ruckman in the comp start off as key forwards and then develop into ruckman, ie biglands, darcy, s.king, keating, ottens, j.ball etc. so i think its possible that any out of petrie, hale and mcintosh will eventually become excellent ruckman. my main querie is, in the future can we fit all 3 of these guys into the one team?? i wouldnt of thought so, that means that one of these guys will be traded one day, id be said to see anyone of them go!!

 

[moomba]

Originally posted by Carlos
They seem to be developing him into a pure follower type this year. I cant recall too many occasions this year when he has played as a key forward for Port. Maybe at half forward here and there, but certainly not in the forward 50.

I remember reading/hearing an interview with someone from the club (full of information today aren't I ). Basically it was along the lines that last year they thought of Drew as a long term ruck option, and Hale as a long term forward option. Now they think of Drew as our CHF for the next decade, and Hale as a ruckman.

Moomba

 

[Carlos]

Originally posted by year of the roo
...my main querie is, in the future can we fit all 3 of these guys into the one team?? i wouldnt of thought so, that means that one of these guys will be traded one day, id be said to see anyone of them go!!

Can't agree.

I would have thought Richmond's current best 22 contains Richardson, Ottens and Stafford?

I love the idea of all 3 playing seniors in the future: McIntosh making life hell for opposition fullbacks, Petrie continuing to develop into the best CHF in the comp and marking everything while Hale takes the ruck, with the odd rest down in the forward line just to really keep the opposition defenses on their toes.

I really cant see the problem.

 

[R00StaR]

Originally posted by moomba
I remember reading/hearing an interview with someone from the club (full of information today aren't I ). Basically it was along the lines that last year they thought of Drew as a long term ruck option, and Hale as a long term forward option. Now they think of Drew as our CHF for the next decade, and Hale as a ruckman.

Moomba

Yes it is interesting how things have changed, if they have. I always thought of Hale as more a forward but Petries success at CHF, the arrival of big Hamish, the lack of form/ fitness of Porter/ Burton may have them trying to fast track the ruckman in him. I still hope he will be played forward from time to time via rotations with McIntosh and Petrie.

 

[R00StaR]

Originally posted by Carlos
Can't agree.

I would have thought Richmond's current best 22 contains Richardson, Ottens and Stafford?

I love the idea of all 3 playing seniors in the future: McIntosh making life hell for opposition fullbacks, Petrie continuing to develop into the best CHF in the comp and marking everything while Hale takes the ruck, with the odd rest down in the forward line just to really keep the opposition defenses on their toes.

I really cant see the problem.

Exactly, I cant wait for it to happen

 

[danny rooboy]

any chance of any of Petrie, Hale, McIntosh developing into a tall defender similar to essendon's Fletcher? Could be very handy, such a tall bloke going around grabbing marks. We could have one of them in defence, one in ruck, one up forward...