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Jatz
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What's different in that pic from last years? 
Judderson
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Lack of 'shield'.What's different in that pic from last years?
Also there's this on the back of both.
thylacine60
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No yoke, no joke.
If we have another jumper clash situation like when we played Port at AAMI late last year I will spew. I was at the ground and had NFI what was happening unless the ball was within about 30m of where I was sitting lol
Personally I find it deplorable that both Port & Freo have changed their jumpers significantly since each of them were included in the AFL, to the point they can be quite hard to distinguish from our long standing Navy Blue jumpers. The AFL need to HTFU & tell both Port & Freo to go back to jumpers which are at least of the same colour as their original ones, which posed no clash problems.
Dramoth
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But... that will mean that the AFL would make more money from a new set of jumpers... hang on... they will probably be out next week...
Jatz
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Don't agree with that at all. While we'd like to believe it, the whole AFL doesn't revolve around Carlton and decisions that Port and Freo make regarding jumpers have absolutely nothing to do with us. When we play them away, the onus should be on us to come up with something that doesn't clash with their jumper.
You know as well as I do that if the roles were reversed, we wouldn't want the AFL coming in and telling us what we can and can not change about our own jumper.
I'm sorry, but our jumper has been the same colour (except for clash strips & the one-off M&M jumper) for more than 100 years. When both Freo (1995) & Port (1997) were admitted to the AFL their jumpers were coloured in such a way as to not be similar to any other in the competition, yet in recent years both teams have significantly changed their jumpers, to the point they can be almost indistinguishable from ours when viewed from certain angles. Why have these teams been allowed to change their jumpers quite significantly, in less than 20 years of being in the competition, to a point where our 100+ year old jumper is now considered to be a clash with jumpers which are less than a decade old? Isn't Freo's jumper supposed to be Purple, Green, Red & White? Such a jumper does not clash with Navy Blue. Nor does the Teal, Black & White jumpers Port adopted as their original colours.
The point is, I don't expect the whole AFL to revolve around Carlton, what I do expect is that 2 clubs, who have entered the competition inside the last 20 years, respect the fact our jumper has been Navy Blue for 100+ years & we have stayed true to this colour (except as highlighted above) to the extent we are known as the Navy Blues. Consequently it is not unreasonable to expect both Freo & Port to stay true to the colours they adopted when choosing to enter the AFL competition. You didn't see Collingwood backing down on their stance in relation to Port adopting the Black & White stripes long associated with the Port Adelaide Magpies & I don't see why we should have to change our jumper just because 2 teams are clearly disappointed with their original jumper choices & are looking to go with more attractive colours which clash with the existing colours of the Carlton Football Club.
What you are proposing is we change an important part of our history just because the AFL are too ****ing gutless to stand up to the 2 most recent arrivals in the competition & tell them to stick to the colours they adopted when admitted to the competition. I'm sorry, but our club's history is part of who we are now & that should not be compromised for the sake of others who don't give a **** about their own history, short & all as it is.
Jatz
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Don't be sorry. You are forgetting one major part in that argument though. We no longer play in the VFL. The AFL itself is only 20 odd years old. Technically, they joined the comp roughly around the same time we did. I agree with most of what you're saying but we don't play in the same competition we did for all those years.I'm sorry, but our jumper has been the same colour (except for clash strips & the one-off M&M jumper) for more than 100 years. When both Freo (1995) & Port (1997) were admitted to the AFL their jumpers were coloured in such a way as to not be similar to any other in the competition, yet in recent years both teams have significantly changed their jumpers, to the point they can be almost indistinguishable from ours when viewed from certain angles. Why have these teams been allowed to change their jumpers quite significantly, in less than 20 years of being in the competition, to a point where our 100+ year old jumper is now considered to be a clash with jumpers which are less than a decade old? Isn't Freo's jumper supposed to be Purple, Green, Red & White? Such a jumper does not clash with Navy Blue. Nor does the Teal, Black & White jumpers Port adopted as their original colours.
The point is, I don't expect the whole AFL to revolve around Carlton, what I do expect is that 2 clubs, who have entered the competition inside the last 20 years, respect the fact our jumper has been Navy Blue for 100+ years & we have stayed true to this colour (except as highlighted above) to the extent we are known as the Navy Blues. Consequently it is not unreasonable to expect both Freo & Port to stay true to the colours they adopted when choosing to enter the AFL competition. You didn't see Collingwood backing down on their stance in relation to Port adopting the Black & White stripes long associated with the Port Adelaide Magpies & I don't see why we should have to change our jumper just because 2 teams are clearly disappointed with their original jumper choices & are looking to go with more attractive colours which clash with the existing colours of the Carlton Football Club.
What you are proposing is we change an important part of our history just because the AFL are too ******* gutless to stand up to the 2 most recent arrivals in the competition & tell them to stick to the colours they adopted when admitted to the competition. I'm sorry, but our club's history is part of who we are now & that should not be compromised for the sake of others who don't give a **** about their own history, short & all as it is.
Why don't Port and Freo have the right to change their strip if they so please? You really think they should care that they clash with a side they play once or twice a year? We have no more rights than what they do, nor should we receive special treatment because we played in the VFL. Aren't we trying to make the competition more equal?
Not arguing our history at all, I'm as proud of it as you are. There is a bigger picture to the AFL than just the Carlton Football Club though.
Absolute rubbish.
The VFL adopted the AFL name in 1990. The same 14 teams who competed in the VFL in 1989 competed in the AFL in 1990. Nothing else changed. The VFL history carried through (we still have 16 premierships to our credit to this day & in case you disagree, feel free to consult the official AFL records). Freo joined the competition 108 years after us & Port 110 years. They did not join the comp roughly at the same time we did i.e. 1897 (I will repeat, the AFL is not a new competition, it is the same competition as that previously known as the VFL, in much the same way Reggie Dwight did not become a new person when he changed his named to Elton John, nor did Marion Morrison when becoming John Wayne).
If teams are given carte blanche in changing their strips, why are Port still unable to wear black & white stripes? Simple, because it is a strip already worn by an existing club. If we were to seriously go down this road, neither the Giants nor the Suns would have found it necessary to choose the colors they have chosen for their strips. They could have chosen Navy Blue, red & black, royal blue & white etc. Of course they weren't allowed to as these colors were already utilised by existing teams. Why do you think Freo chose purple, green, red & white in the first place & Port teal, black & white?
Any change made to playing strips by any club should be made on the basis they do not clash with the playing strips of other clubs. Other clubs should not be made to compromise their own long-standing colors to accommodate those who want to impinge on these colors, regardless of whether they have been in the competition for 17 years, 19 years or 117 years.
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Its not an argument AT ALL. It was a simple rebadge job in 1990 - it wasnt a new competition. By no means did any of the non victorian clubs join at the same time, thats an utter fallacy.
I refer you to the AFL History page (such as it is)
Port and Freo dont have the rights you think they should because its part of the license conditions. Its not a matter of if they care, its a matter of if the AFL cares. We have one small right that these clubs dont. We were here first. Dont expect to see any dark blue jumpers with a monogram any time soon.
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New clash guernsey?
Yep, they kept it quiet but were probably forced to alter it after the Port debacle. Personally I think this is perfect and shouldn't be tampered with again. Hated the shield thing.
Did you take a picture of the back of this one?
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Looks similar to the original clash guernsey from 2007. Only with Navy across the shoulders.
They only change them for the revenue like soccer clubs.
They only change them for the revenue like soccer clubs.
We should ask blues4flag about Port copying our guernsey.
BluStreak
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maybe one for the girls. Skins
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The new clash jumper has been kept relatively hidden because a mistake was made by either the club or Nike themselves. The clash was meant to be the same as 2013 as per the 2 year usual requirement. However, these new altered "shieldless" ones arrived at the club and now they are forced to run with it for the 2014 season
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Is that a fact, and if so, how do you know?
thylacine60
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So will a game day 150th guernsey set me back $200?
Tony Lynn 15
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maybe one for the girls. Skins[/quote]
...all good until middle aged blokes start showing their support for the new jumper and then we will all need therapy!!
Hank93
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The mistake can be seen here. The front is shieldless, while the back is the same as 2013 (with the 150 year logo on the back).
Dramoth
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My birthday present arrived...
And on the back... like I said in the which number thread...
I think that I might have to send it back to Oz... to my uncle and get him to wander down to the club to try and get all the players to sign it for me
And on the back... like I said in the which number thread...
I think that I might have to send it back to Oz... to my uncle and get him to wander down to the club to try and get all the players to sign it for me
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