Autopsy 16-minute quarters: which teams are winners and losers from this?

[Mercurialbomber]

Was just listening to the podcast Footyology with RohanConnolly and he gave Eddie a massive spray over this issue. Fair to say 94% of posters agreeing on bigfooty about anything is pretty rare.

That was absolute class. Just listened to it.

Sums it up to a tee.

 

[Redline]

I've seen a few times people saying that players a pushing for this change as well, but I can't remember any current player saying that. I know they've been vocal about a shorter season being preferable, but I don't recall any saying the individual matches should be shorter.

From what I've seen it's mostly been the radio types and the wee fella Whateley.

I can't think of any that are in favour of shorter quarters, from memory some were not against the idea of a shorter half time.

 

[dont bowl there]

I can't think of any that are in favour of shorter quarters, from memory some were not against the idea of a shorter half time.

For some reason I remember Isaac Smith talking about how good the shorter quarters were but I can't find a link anywhere.

 

[GWT6]

After the first weekend, most people will switch off once they realise the emotion has been sucked out of the game and will only watch their own team.

1. no crowds
2. no celebrating after a goal
3. no celebrating after a win
4. no shaking hands after the game
5. no linking arms for the song

I reckon tv numbers will drop away after the first week, players not allowed to show emotion will kill it for a lot of folk and combine that with no crowds and the game will look robotic.

I don't understand why you want to watch the crowd or players linking arms to sing, so you will turn off. Why does that change the game?

 

[NorthernBastard]

I wonder if they will bring in a rolling fixture for the future. Not necessarily who you play but where and when. I know its easy with no crowds but its something they should look to implement. Put the better games on Friday and saturday nights, those who arent performing on the shit time slots.

I don't see this working - fans plan attendance to games well in advance, book travel etc.... To me if this happens footy has become too much about TV

 

[Coops93]

I don't understand why you want to watch the crowd or players linking arms to sing, so you will turn off. Why does that change the game?

You can't say the crowd doesn't impact the viewing experience. The audible cheering/booing etc. absolutely add to the broadcast experience.

 

[FRUMPY]

I don't see this working - fans plan attendance to games well in advance, book travel etc.... To me if this happens footy has become too much about TV

Thats mainly interstate fans who would be effected, and they dont really come over in droves (and most who travel interstate would be footy nuffies who would adjust their accom/flights accordingly). It would be a learning curve, you dont book until fixture released which could be a 4/6/8 week release etc.

If i remember correctly, it was more the corporates needing to be booked before the normal fan that was the issue.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

I don't understand why you want to watch the crowd or players linking arms to sing, so you will turn off. Why does that change the game?

I said they are taking the emotion out of the game by banning the players from showing any, all what i mentioned adds to the game and is what makes the game enjoyable to watch.

 

[Seeds]

I want the sub back. I want 17-5. I want them to make kicks 25 metres before a mark is paid. i like change if it improves the game.

But there is no way in hell they should reduce qtrs from 20 mins.

 

[FRUMPY]

I said they are taking the emotion out of the game by banning the players from showing any, all what i mentioned adds to the game and is what makes the game enjoyable to watch.

Pretty spot on, itll be cringeworthy to see blokes about to celebrate and then stop short because 'of the look' - just stupid cosmetic rules and will detract from the game and any emotion in it.

 

[falcons2]

For some reason I remember Isaac Smith talking about how good the shorter quarters were but I can't find a link anywhere.

I think you'll find Smith was referring to recovery time when talking about the shortened quarters which makes sense. SEN Tuesday morning. Podcast possibly available on their website.

 

[FRUMPY]

I can't think of any that are in favour of shorter quarters, from memory some were not against the idea of a shorter half time.

surprise surprise, dickhead dangerfield is all for it:

Dangerfield backs time reduction

Patrick Dangerfield has backed the concept of reducing the time players are on the field

www.geelongcats.com.au

 

[Plugger35]

Pretty spot on, itll be cringeworthy to see blokes about to celebrate and then stop short because 'of the look' - just stupid cosmetic rules and will detract from the game and any emotion in it.

I can understand high fives being banned since that is hand on hand contact like handshakes but surely the pat on the bum is still an acceptable celebration.

I think you'll find Smith was referring to recovery time when talking about the shortened quarters which makes sense. SEN Tuesday morning. Podcast possibly available on their website.

Shorter quarters to help with recovery time made sense when they were looking at playing more than one game per week but that isn't the case now as the fixture is just a regular schedule where games are played once a week.

 

[WWSD]

I don’t like it one bit. Surely finals games will be 20 minutes quarters?

 

[FRUMPY]

Shorter quarters to help with recovery time made sense when they were looking at playing more than one game per week but that isn't the case now as the fixture is just a regular schedule where games are played once a week.

That was exactly the premise it was brought in for and its like they have ignored their reasoning and just want us to accept it (and then keep it for future seasons). There is no reason for it to be introduced at all this season if they arent going to cram more games in a shorter than normal week.

Has anyone in the media questioned why we are having shortened quarters now they arent cramming games closer together? nah, didnt think so......

 

[Elite Master]

surprise surprise, dickhead dangerfield is all for it:

Dangerfield backs time reduction

Patrick Dangerfield has backed the concept of reducing the time players are on the field

www.geelongcats.com.au

He also wants to the shortened season to be permanent going forward as well. All for the same pay.

 

[Coops93]

surprise surprise, dickhead dangerfield is all for it:

Dangerfield backs time reduction

Patrick Dangerfield has backed the concept of reducing the time players are on the field

www.geelongcats.com.au

I feel ridiculous asking this, but I feel I have to, do the guys at the level these days understand that the game is supposed to be a grind and you're not supposed to leave the field feeling a million bucks every week?

The likes of Soccer, Basketball and Ice Hockey can play up to 3 games a week, yet our lads are whinging about 1 game a week being too much. The NFL have 4 day turnarounds despite turning there brains into mince meat every weekend (Sunday then backing up Thursday). Give me a break, Patrick and the AFLPA.

 

[FreeTK]

Personally I like the shorter quarters. I think in terms of tactics, it doesn't reward "pressure" style of play that is the root cause of how congested our game has become. Some fans may say that they will miss the war of attrition where one team wears down the other over the course of the match, and that is fair, but I think our game has always valued attacking styles over defensive styles, and that principle is enshrined in the laws of the game.

The game has a set of pillars designed in 2014 that provide a framework for guiding the "laws of the game".

The AFL should push forward with reforms they think will improve the game.

To be frank, AFL supporters are well known to be some of the most conservative fans in world sport and rail against any change to the game. Every change to the game is met with a chorus of hysterical supporters predicting the end of the game as we know it, even at times when those changes are obvious and provide great benefits (see night grand final and VFL expansion).

In 1984, 90% of Victorians opposed expanding the VFL to become a national competition. While the national competition is far from perfect, in retrospect expansion starting with the Bears and Eagles in 1987 is the single best strategic decision the competition has made since WW2.

Compared to other sports, fans of our game are among the least knowledgable of the sport they follow and supporters are oblivious to how ignorant they are (see posters on this forum for evidence of that).

The AFL is the custodian of the game should be making decisions in the games best interest.

 

[Plugger35]

So 5 people have voted for 16 minute quarters, looks like Gil, Eddie, Hutchy, Whateley and Dangerfield have joined Bigfooty.

That was exactly the premise it was brought in for and its like they have ignored their reasoning and just want us to accept it (and then keep it for future seasons). There is no reason for it to be introduced at all this season if they arent going to cram more games in a shorter than normal week.

Has anyone in the media questioned why we are having shortened quarters now they arent cramming games closer together? nah, didnt think so......

Kane Cornes did, he basically said what I just said, that there is no need for shorter quarters now that games are being played on a normal weekly schedule.

Kane might be in danger of being silenced by the AFL if he keeps on speaking out against the things they are trying to brainwash us into accepting.

 

[FRUMPY]

I feel ridiculous asking this, but I feel I have to, do the guys at the level these days understand that the game is supposed to be a grind and you're supposed not supposed to leave the field feeling a million bucks every week?

The likes of Soccer, Basketball and Ice Hockey can play up to 3 games a week, yet our lads are whinging about 1 game a week being too much. The NFL have 4 day turnarounds despite turning there brains into mince meat every weekend (Sunday then backing up Thursday). Give me a break, Patrick and the AFLPA.

His reasoning is the best players are getting injured etc....well thats why you have a list of 40, its not just about the best 22 (of which he knows he is part of)

But we've seen they dont give a shit about the blokes on the list from best 25 down. They just give a shit about the best 25 on the list, the others can get stuffed. The 50% reduction for all players pay (even rookies) - the likelihood of lists being cut in size, then next minute they want the superstars to be paid more outside the cap etc

They are a ****ing disgrace

 

[FRUMPY]

The AFL should push forward with reforms they think will improve the game.

But none of it is about improving the game, its about $$$$$

It wont improve the standard of the game one iota.

 

[FreeTK]

But none of it is about improving the game, its about $$$$$

It wont improve the standard of the game one iota.

I think currently we have a sample size of one, so lets wait and see on that.

Hear me out for a second - here is my take:


The game constantly evolves and adapts to the current climate. Coaches make decisions based on what will be the most effective game style to win matches. My hypothesis would be hard tackling, pressure and congestion around the ball will be less rewarded in the shorter format. The shorter quarters mean that attrition and grinding your opponents down will no longer reap the rewards that it has over the last few years. Given it is less rewarded coaches will make decisions to implement a different set of tactics, quite possibly where coaches prioritise skills and ability to attack over defensive pressure.

To me, shorter quarters could see the end of the Roos/Lyon play book.

I think too many people are caught up on the concept of a change and want to rail against it, rather than examine what that change could potentially mean.

To me, I'm keen to observe the changes we see this year on the field and then make an assessment on whether those have improved the game or not.

 

[Plugger35]

But none of it is about improving the game, its about $$$$$

It wont improve the standard of the game one iota.

Yeah the main reason the AFL are looking at shortening quarters and lengthening half time and quarter time breaks is so they can squeeze in more advertising.

They aren't doing it to make the game a better spectacle.

 

[banzai]

To me, shorter quarters could see the end of the Roos/Lyon play book.

Couldnt you argue the opposite though? St Kilda never stood a chance in the grand final replay as the game was always going to be more open with both teams very tired. When a team comes along that masters these tactics the game will never open up at any stage as they wont get tired.

 

[Rob]

Couldnt you argue the opposite though? St Kilda never stood a chance in the grand final replay as the game was always going to be more open with both teams very tired. When a team comes along that masters these tactics the game will never open up at any stage as they wont get tired.

Correct. When players adjust it'll mean more flooding and hard running both ways, creating more congestion.