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What actually was the length of the drive
NFL (19/20) Super Bowl LIV: Kansas City Chiefs vs San Francisco 49ers
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Just watched it. Looks like about 54 yards. So I'm not perfect but I'm about as close as humanly possible to perfect
He led the league in TD passes. I think he should get more credit than being a system QB.
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I understand, the analytics nerds love him because he can complete high % passes at a high %... well done to him
It obviously worked. Baltimore was the best team in the league and he won the MVP, but that doesn't make him the best QB in the league and it's a lot harder to put a near perfect offence (for his skill set) around him year in year out as opposed to a guy like Mahomes who you probably don't need to put a near perfect offence (for him) around to have the same level of success
Mahomes throws to one of the fastest and best WR triplets in the league. A better individual TE than the Baltimore Trio. I would say that all three are better than Hollywood Brown. It’s easier to be explosive, when you have targets like that. KC run an awesome down field offence and Mahomes is perfect for that. Mahomes is clearly a better QB.
Jackson is like a 10-15 level at passing BUT because he runs so well, he could perform like an MVP as defences had to stop him running. You adjust your system to add more running when you have Jackson. In 2 years time when he has had enough come from behind opportunities, then assess.
Jackson wasn’t passing short this year. He was passing mid-deep. 9% of his passes were TD. That is hard to do if you dink and dunk down the field.
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Maybe if no-one was on the field
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But it was only Chris Jones who was stopping the 5 yd completions over the middle
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He wasn't batting every ball down thruout the season. But he was in the specific situation we are addressing atm
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Then Shanahan should have read the situation and run the ball
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On 3rd and 5? You want him to basically forfeit the Super Bowl?
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They averaged almost 7 yards per running play if you take out Garoppolo's 2 attempts (20 attempts for 139 yards). And they had two plays to get that 5 yards, not one.
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Garoppolo checked to a new play on the 2nd and 5. Shanahan may have called a run we don't know. But there was still a wide open Kittle 5 yds over the middle and Jones just made a championship play
At the end of the day people will always want to point the finger rather than just giving credit where it is due to Jones
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The entire SB54, the result, was BECAUSE of both factors, not just one --- the Chiefs bringing the heat on D to allow Mahomes to make a comeback + Mahomes lifting his game in the 4th....AND...Shanahan/Garoppolo folding instead of icing the game. Both things were interconnected, not isolated.
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There's no Shanahan/... It's just Garoppolo. Sorry
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What is this from? I don't remember it.
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Just goes to show Shanahan IS still responsible LicoriceAllsorts because all he had to do was run the ball vs the Pats, and kick that FG instead of Ryan getting sacked...and they would've won it.
And...vs the Chiefs, he should've run it a little more in the 4th to eat time, move the chains. Even just a LITTLE more.
Garoppolo is not as good a QB as Ryan and Ryan still messed up -- because the play-caller put him in a bad spot. Same with Garoppolo -- apart from that woeful miss of a wide open Kittle (all Jimmy's fault), Shanahan still kept putting the game on Jimmy's shoulders instead of Mosterts.
And...vs the Chiefs, he should've run it a little more in the 4th to eat time, move the chains. Even just a LITTLE more.
Garoppolo is not as good a QB as Ryan and Ryan still messed up -- because the play-caller put him in a bad spot. Same with Garoppolo -- apart from that woeful miss of a wide open Kittle (all Jimmy's fault), Shanahan still kept putting the game on Jimmy's shoulders instead of Mosterts.
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Is there a sport where coaching matters more in games than the NFL?
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I'll give you one play he should have run the ball... but he still schemed a wide open easy pass. EVEN THO it was a play that Garoppolo checked to. So Shanahan may have called a run we never know. Simply can not blame him whatsoever
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Garoppolo is not as good as Ryan and Shanahan put the game on his shoulders...he put Garoppolo in a high-fail situation. Of course Shanahan is involved in the blame. Not all. But partial. Not 50:50 with Jimmy, but something like 40:60. Again, I go back to how Shanahan kept running the ball vs the Packers, utilizing a lot of pre-snap motion and pulling guards, etc, to create extra confusion, misdirections, to make those meat and potato zone runs still work.
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Shanahan is not on the field. All he can do is put his team in a position to succeed, and that he did. Exemplary performance from him for the majority of the 4th quarter
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Except that Shanahan didn't get outsmarted (last drive/2 yes he did). McVay got completely outsmarted and truly went away from what worked all year and what the Patriots were bad at defending. Shanahan continuously had men open until the last 2 come from behind drive attempts
What we're doing here is the equivalent of criticising Russell Wilson for only finishing 2nd in the MVP. It's stupid
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