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I'd love to see Stringer fit.If Stringer and Wright go, so should Scott.
we've seen him fit this year and seen him have a lot of hissy fits tooI'd love to see Stringer fit.
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Yet to mentally return. Hope he does.
Put it into his contract that he gets a bonus if suspended from marking collisions.That hit and the fallout from it undid all the work mentally he had done to become "the guy" prior.
It's going to take strong coaching and support from his team mates to build that back up, and a little luck.
It seems Peter has slipped down the pecking order & Bryan/Draper is the favoured ruck combo at the present. Bryan starting ruck with Draper primarily forward and Caddy & Langford the other key forward targets. Jones can provide flexibility off the bench as another tall forward option.
I dont have an issue with that sort of set up - like many on here have said 2MP has been well down on form only kicking more than 2 goals in a game once since July 23 (against an undermanned Kangaroo defence…) and he seems bereft of confidence at this point in time. He needs to string together some big goal hauls in the reserves before coming back into senior contention - I wouldn’t write him off just yet though…
The real conundrum for us is what the hell do we do with Bryan when he’s not rucking? He’d be a liability resting forward and would limit the flexibility of our bench if he’s resting there. I don’t want him in the 22 if he’s a liability. He’d need to be a top tier first ruck to warrant that sort of allowance in the 22. A fit, confident Wright who pinch hits in the ruck appeals far more to me than a limited, one-dimensional ruckman like Bryan. He’s got to start dominating more than he does at VFL level.It seems Peter has slipped down the pecking order & Bryan/Draper is the favoured ruck combo at the present. Bryan starting ruck with Draper primarily forward and Caddy & Langford the other key forward targets. Jones can provide flexibility off the bench as another tall forward option.
I dont have an issue with that sort of set up - like many on here have said 2MP has been well down on form only kicking more than 2 goals in a game once since July 23 (against an undermanned Kangaroo defence…) and he seems bereft of confidence at this point in time. He needs to string together some big goal hauls in the reserves before coming back into senior contention - I wouldn’t write him off just yet though…
The real conundrum for us is what the hell do we do with Bryan when he’s not rucking? He’d be a liability resting forward and would limit the flexibility of our bench if he’s resting there. I don’t want him in the 22 if he’s a liability. He’d need to be a top tier first ruck to warrant that sort of allowance in the 22. A fit, confident Wright who pinch hits in the ruck appeals far more to me than a limited, one-dimensional ruckman like Bryan. He’s got to start dominating more than he does at VFL level.
If you’re going to be no 1 ruck and not have a second string to your bow you’d want to show more than he has at VFL level. His performances have been fine, don’t get me wrong. He has played well, but it’s based mainly on tap work. He’s not that impressive around the ground and doesn’t dominate games. To supplant Draper he needs to be stepping up because he’s not showing any superior 1st ruck traits that would be better for us than having Draper’s follow-up game in there.Put him on the bench. Maybe some KPD
Most teams carry 1 ruck and 1 ruck/forward
Wright and Draper have both shown to be better part time rucks than full time rucks.
Why does he (Bryan) have to do better at VFL level when he just won best ruck in the comp and the guys in front of him (Draper and Wright) are mediocre.
He’s the no1 ruck on the team.
Last year Bryan got more of the ball than Draper and laid more tackles.If you’re going to be no 1 ruck and not have a second string to your bow you’d want to show more than he has at VFL level. His performances have been fine, don’t get me wrong. He has played well, but it’s based mainly on tap work. He’s not that impressive around the ground and doesn’t dominate games. To supplant Draper he needs to be stepping up because he’s not showing any superior 1st ruck traits that would be better for us than having Draper’s follow-up game in there.
If you’re going to be no 1 ruck and not have a second string to your bow you’d want to show more than he has at VFL level. His performances have been fine, don’t get me wrong. He has played well, but it’s based mainly on tap work. He’s not that impressive around the ground and doesn’t dominate games. To supplant Draper he needs to be stepping up because he’s not showing any superior 1st ruck traits that would be better for us than having Draper’s follow-up game in there.
Bryan has no right to the number 1 ruck spot if it is detrimental to the overall team balance. He needs to be controlling the ruck position or he’s worthless to us. He’s yet to show that he has the tools to be a dominant first ruck. Sure he deserves a chance to show it in the preseason but on the evidence of last season he is only showing us that he has improved, not that he is the answer.By SuperCoach points average last season neither were top 18 rucks by average points. Draper saw an uptick in points once he started playing forward. But as far as his points per minute went he was a mediocre to bottom tier AFL ruck in his best stretch of games.
No point focusing on elite traits if the overall performance isn’t there.
Bryan was voted the best ruck in the VFL last year and has earned the right to progress. He may never be an elite ruck but that’s okay. To get minutes on this team he doesn’t have to be. He’s earned the right to more opportunity.
Draper and Wright both have elite traits but also large weaknesses. Draper his skill, kicking and game sense. Wright his physicality.
Draper gets the nod as FF because this team needs his physicality close to goal more then it needs wrights elite long kicking.
Draper has that rare ability of bringing directness and incisiveness to our play which is a fantastic trait to have. He also took several timely late-game contested makes to deny forays forward by the opposition that might’ve won them the game. Bryan hasn’t shown a slither of this in his game yet. It’s about moments and clutch plays that has Draper well ahead of Bryan.Last year Bryan got more of the ball than Draper and laid more tackles.
Draper of course kicked more goals due to moving forward but in terms of around the ground follow up work, Bryan's not miles behind him.
Bryan has no right to the number 1 ruck spot if it is detrimental to the overall team balance. He needs to be controlling the ruck position or he’s worthless to us. He’s yet to show that he has the tools to be a dominant first ruck. Sure he deserves a chance to show it in the preseason but on the evidence of last season he is only showing us that he has improved, not that he is the answer.
Draper has game-saving and game-winning attributes. He also gets us moving forward and lifts the energy of the team. Ironing out his brain-farts is the key. I don’t know if it’s possible but the upside is huge.By that definition none of our rucks are the answer.
Analytics tend to suggest that a dominant ruck isn’t all that important in winning a flag.
Being good enough is fine.
As far as secondary positions go with Bryan. If push comes to shove I’d say KPD is the right spot. Having him rotate through there would allow Ridley to play 100% of his TOG at 3rd tall and that’s a nice structural advantage
Edit: given how many games Draper missed and how many games we won the back half of the season I don’t think that clutch sample size is all that large.
And who can forget his brain fade vs Adelaide lying all over the ball and luckily not being penalised for it
Draper has game-saving and game-winning attributes. He also gets us moving forward and lifts the energy of the team. Ironing out his brain-farts is the key. I don’t know if it’s possible but the upside is huge.
I’m not sure where you’re seeing a KPD in Bryan. Sounds like another liability situation to me.
Bryan is the kind of ruck that will play high % game time in there, giving our midfielders predictability and provide a solid link-up option through the middle of the ground. His actual football skills are quite good for a big man.
He probably won't take mark or goal of the year.
Wright at his best is a far better forward than Draper, and is a solid 2-3 year option as a FWD / RUC alongside one of Draper or Bryan.
Draper seems to get valued on his best handful of moments because they're flashy, whereas Wright and Bryan get judged on their boringness because they aren't flashy.
Wright (if fit) will give you 1.5 - 2.5 goals a game and cover your ruckman while he's resting. There's no guarantee Draper can do that each week even if his highlight reel will be better.
Agree with thisBig issue with wright vs Draper as forwards is team construction
Wright is a 2nd or 3rd option tall forward. Likes hanging out on the arc. Marking on a lead and bombing long goals.
He’s poor at holding space/bringing the ball to ground in contested situations.
Drapers a 6th option forward but is strong, can hold position under an high ball, and can crash a pack and can bring it to ground.
Essendon doesn’t have another player on the list that can do what Draper does as a forward.
Caddy/jones/cox can largely do what wright does at CHF but with better defensive mobility
So while wright is better he’s a worse fit as far as the team goes
The really wild thing about wright is that his impact is good. He’s actually quite productive. It’s just when you see the glimpses you think he should be twice as good as he is.Agree with this
Wright is incredibly frustrating given the gap between his talent & impact
And the one time he actually crashes a pack, he gets 6 weeks and loses his nerve forever