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2011 crowds
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Ok sorry
15,962 free tickets...
Nothing against the promotion, but it does need to be said when calling it a good crowd
Good stats there Hawkk, another good one for any arguments with Essendon supporters
Actually Collingwood v Freo crowds brings up a very interesting stat
In the last 10 years, every single Collingwood v Freo match in either Perth or Melbourne that has drawn more than 40,000 people- Collingwood have won
Every single game that has drawn less than 40,000 people- Freo have won
Whilst Hawkk's figures are accurate as far as they go Eddie as usual he neglects to provide context by referring to ladder position when the games were played. In truth Collingwood are historically no more or less likely to draw 30K to Freo than are Esssendon.
Coll 6 from 10 games 60%
Ess 8 from 13 games 61%
Freo and Port are regarded as the weakest draws in melbourne:
Collingwood at home to Freo and Port all games average 33,518. 18 games in all.
Essendon at home to Freo and Port all games average 33,316. 23 games in all.
A fractional diffference of 0.6%
There is no meaningful difference in either comparison - Ess marginally ahead in one, Coll in the other but both essentially the same, because there is no meaningful difference in the drawing power of both clubs once ladder position/venue/timeslot is taken into account. I'm not a Bomber and have no axe to grind either way. I'm just stating a fact.
HyperAgressiveDonk
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Yes it wasn't bad for a chilly Sunday avo.
Anywhere between 30k to 45k is what Hawthorn usually get at the MCG when they take on an interstate side. I am happy with that.
The majority of your MCG games against interstate opposition have in fact not drawn 30,000 so saying that you "usually" draw 30,000+ actually downgrades what was a very good turnout.
In fact its only the 9th 30K plus H and A attendance Freo have ever played before at the MCG.
lemon chicken
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I would of thought out of 55,000 members and playing decent opposition at the G, 31,000 was a bit ordinairy. Was a bit windy but the sun was out all day. Anyway walking back over the bridge after the game there was a couple of ladies in purple talking to each other and one said "Imagine being a Melbourne based freo supporter, why would you even go". I lol'd.
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Our game attendances has actually dropped a little on last year from 41,950 to 39,253 but I would expect come seasons end the club will be nearing closer to the 50k mark! our fixturing is highly lob sided to the back end of the season with huge drawing games against Geelong,Essendon,Collingwood and Carlton to come and if Melbourne pull some games together then we have them at the end of the season at the MCG also which could draw 50+k.
The thing that kills our attendance levels is the Tassie deal, whilst it's good for the bottom line it does affect our overall attendance figures.
I was at the game yesterday and it was a good atmosphere, lucky to be 1000 Freo supporters but they were still vocal when in the lead.
You would think the Hawthorn vs Geelong game this Saturday night would draw close to 80k maybe even more.
Overall good figures for the all clubs besides the obvious low drawing teams! looking forward to Richmond being a genuine finals team, they are a sleeping giant.
The thing that kills our attendance levels is the Tassie deal, whilst it's good for the bottom line it does affect our overall attendance figures.
I was at the game yesterday and it was a good atmosphere, lucky to be 1000 Freo supporters but they were still vocal when in the lead.
You would think the Hawthorn vs Geelong game this Saturday night would draw close to 80k maybe even more.
Overall good figures for the all clubs besides the obvious low drawing teams! looking forward to Richmond being a genuine finals team, they are a sleeping giant.
In recent times (i.e. from 2007 onwards we generally do)
2007
48398 v Sydney
39007 v Brisbane
2008
28198 v West Coast
49527 v Sydney
2009
33274 v Port Adelaide
44464 v Sydney
32583 v Adelaide
2010
36003 v Sydney
21287 v Port Adelaide
2011
31925 v Fremantle
Aside from the Port and Sydney games last year (a drop of 11k and 8k from the previous year) they are pretty consistantly in the 28000-50000 range (over a 5 year period)
Obviously some of these games are padded by several thousand Swans/Lions fans attending matches
In the context of the discussion HyderAgressiveDonk is correct, nonetheless the overall figures (inclusive of 2000-06) suggests that you are close to the mark from an overall sense
2nd time this season though, both Richmond and Hawthorn would not have drawn 34k and 32k to games against Fremantle in previous seasons.
Monty of the Shire
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Crowe wont have to put money in, they are flush with pokies cash - you ever seen the size of Souths Juniors?
By the way how did you come to the conclusion that the 12th placed Syd team vs an interstate was a 'main game'? I would have thought it was always going to be one of the fizzers of the round. The interesting crowd for me was that Parra v St George got below 20k.
In other news - how good were the Swannies on the w/e? up the bloods
they counted the dog as two due to four legs. I beleive they also included Flight QF1606 from Tamworth as it flies right over Homebush.
they counted the dog as two due to four legs. I beleive they also included Flight QF1606 from Tamworth as it flies right over Homebush.
Right on!
Hawthorn v Geelong drew 78,000 on a public holiday so i doubt a Geelong home game would draw more on a Saturday night.
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It is a replacement match for Hawthorn members - with decent weather I won't be suprised if it reaches 80k
http://www.mcc.org.au/
MCC reakon 73,000 which is a bit low, although there's 7 bays of level one and 15 bays of 2a general admin... I didn't even realise level 2a was ever general???
75000 should be par for course for given that we pulled a tick under 70000 to the corresponding game last year when the Hawks were just in the eight while Geelong were a top club; surprisingly the second fixture has held up reasonably strongly despite the contrasting performances of the clubs in 2009 and 2010.
GA seating on L1 is a rarity these days…when we played Fremantle there was no L1 GA available at the ground (even though the ground was 70% empty)
GA seating on L1 is a rarity these days…when we played Fremantle there was no L1 GA available at the ground (even though the ground was 70% empty)
Geelong have barely any reserved seat members for the MCG, and all of which are in the olympic. For Hawthorn home matches i belive level 1 of the southern is the members section, which therefor is never general admin?
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We're Australian men. EVERYTHING is a pissing contest.
Monty of the Shire
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That's one of the amusing things about Big Footy - a forum more or less entirely devoted to blokes devouring pointless stastistics that no other human being on the planet aside from big footy members could give a flying f*ck about
It's addicitve.
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We are talking pissing contests here .
rl excuses .
01 .SL stuffed us up completely and we haven't recovered .
. The mergers put people off , merged teams don't represent their region , merged teams are too powerful .
. Dropping South Sydney put people off and put more off by coming back and will lose the rest by relocating or dying.
. Dropping the expansion teams kill any chance of becoming national .
. Dropping the other teams didn't matter because they weren't that popular anyway .
02 .We play to our "heartlands" .............. our heartlands are in the bush,
. These people don't get the chance to go to many games as ch9 chop and change times and generally play god.
. Ch 9 and Foxtel shedule NRL games on short notice unlike the AFL that lock the shedule all games in October
. Our heartlands seem to be getting smaller all the time .
. We're stuck in suburban times .
03. Sydney people are doing it tough and just can't afford to go -
. Mortage prices , fuel prices , public transport prices , battery prices for their remote control .
. $30 general entry, I was drinking UDL's at $9 per can
04 . It's a television game -
. And the game was on Fox or FTA so the fans were at home .
. Ratings are much more important than viewers .
. You have to count the regional and city figures even though they overlap .
. You have to count New Zealand figures even though it's not officially a state of Australia yet .
. The ratings were down so I guess a lot of people went out to clubs and pubs to watch it .
. There was a lot of sport on TV. ........golf , tennis , lawn bowls , motorsports , bowling , darts , WWWWE
. There were good shows on TV ... Bloke's World , Iron Chef , Bert's big brother idol lost on celebrity dancing singing skating survivor
. Couch potatoes count as real interested viewers .
. The report is not valid because it only shows interest not real support like ratings where the person gets off his butt and
. ............ sorry where the person changes the channel on the remote .
05.The game is popular but the team isn't
. Either that popular crowd drawing team is down OR that unpopular drawing team is dominating .
. It was an away game for that popular crowd drawing team so they couldn't use their memberships .
06 .It's the Sydney transport system
. Public transport is unpopular or it's too crowded because it's popular .
. You cannot expect people to go to the SFS just because people go to see the Swans at the SCG nextdoor .
07. It's the weather
. Too hot , too cold or perfect for doing something else .
. You cannot expect people to go to stadia in weather like that even though there's plenty of room in the stadia because nobody goes .
08 It's the Time or Day of the Week .
. It was unsuitable to have a game on at the afternoon, twilight or night time or anytime really .
. It was unsuitable to have a game on Monday ,Friday , Saturday, Sunday or mid week .
09. It's the media
. Too little media , the unfair media ,the negative RL media , too much AFL media
. Our supporters can't read the media (nice pictures though)
. It's war ,according to the Telegraph ,an invasion ,even though football was here before RL ..
10. It's the lack of development by the NRL ,ARL , NSWRL and BRL.... and
. we're facing development from AFL , FFA and Netball .
. NZRL is sponging off Australia and Australia is raping the NZRL
. S14 RU is stealing all our players
. AFL is stealing our players
. FFA will be stealing our players as soon as they expand .
11. It's the lack of blockbusters .
. Sheduled against us was an another big game of .....RU , AFL, AL , NBL , ANL , WNBL.......
. We sheduled a game against another big game of .....RU , AFL, AL , NBL , ANL , WNBL......
. The upcoming Olympics is grabbing everybody's attention
. The recent RU WC is grabbing everybody's attention
. The soccer WC is grabbing everybody's attention
. Even the AFL International Cup is grabbing attention.
. The recent RL WC is not grabbing everybody's attention - blame the AFL for one Australia Vs Ireland IR test
12. The government won't finance new stadiums , but when they do the crowds will be enormous.
. as long as all people are able sit close to the sidelines
. and the ends aren't too far from the action
. and now our stadiums are built they are too big and look empty deterring more people
. Homebush & SFS - small crowds are a visual embarrassment
. Lang Park - now built , no excuses..
. Docklands - state of the art boutique stadium not used as too costly (low crowds)
. Melbourne Olympic Park - now built no excuses
. Perth MES - now upgraded , nrl's wannabe team crowd about 1710 and going down .
. Gosford - new stadium , new savior for Sydney clubs
. Canberra , Cronulla ,Brookvale ,Kogarah , Paramatta , Campbelltown , Penrith , Wollongong -
. stadiums upgrade hasn't helped prevent decline .
. Newcastle upgrade on the way when the club is looking at downsizing .
13. When they gonna have double headers , triple headers ...we can then claim the one crowd for both games !
14 . We don't have -
. a centrally located "home of football" like the AFL .
. the AFL's draft , management , development , clout , and aggressive approach to expansion ..
. a decent game , (but that's the least of our worries)
. $1.2 billion in TV rights.
, People wanting to play our game with more wanting to play AFL than RL in the last 5 years .
15. We do have
. financially stricken leagues clubs unable to support NRL clubs ,
. a new pokie tax that is gonna kill off the leagues clubs .
. a geographically centred stadium at Homebush suited to AFL blockbusters and the GWS .
. new stadium being built at Blacktown for AFL , because the NRL wasn't interested .
. players wanting to leave their NRL contracts to play AFL .
16. When looking at NRL crowd averages
. you cannot look at Sydney in isolation - because they are pathetically low .
. you cannot look at Melbourne because they have no history there and because they are pathetically low .
. you cannot look at this point in time because historically crowds dip this time of year .
. you cannot look at crowds at all because the crowd looked and felt a lot bigger than the official low figure .
. you cannot look at the TV at all because the crowd looked and felt a lot smaller than the official low figure .
. you can look at past pathetically low crowd figures because that shows the present in a good light .
. you overlook that 25% of all rounds affected by SOO with the best 34 players either unavailable or backing up after SOO.
. you cannot look at NRL crowds because the focus is on SOO .
. you cannot look at NRL crowds because they are inflated because they all do it (just ask the Storm)
. you cannot look at NRL crowds because clubs are paid $100k to play to empty stadiums .
. you cannot look at NRL crowds because they contain freebies from passport holding Pacific Islanders.
. you cannot look at NRL crowds because they contain freebies from Moms , nans , nurses and carers .
. you cannot look at NRL crowds because they contain freebies from anyone in their Warriors gear, does a haka or sings the national anthem,
. you cannot look at NRL crowds because they include players, officials, coaching, medical, fitness, trainers, boot studders, waterboys, catering, security, sales and
. turnstile staff and magazine sellers and cheergirls .(you know most of the crowd )..
. you cannot look at NRL crowds because more people turned up to see Russel Crowe than South Sydney .
17. you cannot look at SOO crowds
. because they contain a lot of freebies .
. tickets still are expensive...spending $100 in Sydney to watch footie is way too much
. spending $50 for the nose bleed section is way too much
. it is a big week in sport for sydney
. the game is just too good to watch on TV
, because the same same two teams play each other every year after year after year after year .
18. Canberra is under performing
. because now it supports two clubs .
. It's all a bluff because Canberra are renegotiating their stadium deal.
19. It's a bluff because the AFL want some publicity .
20. It's basically because rl is dying - but that is another list !!!
Cos789 that is superb and all the funnier for the fact that almost every excuse has popped up on LU from week to week. Great read.
I'll precis it all...the crowds are small because people don't want to go.
I'll precis it all...the crowds are small because people don't want to go.
I will never understand (which is one word, not two) why you would come into this thread if you have absolutely no interest in it.
If you bothered to read most posts here, they are not about any pissing contest, but on a subjecx that is crucial to the health and prosperity of the AFL - as with all profesional sporting leagues that are reliant on crowds as a key indicator of support and income.
Well thanks for that Pearl of Wisdom. But has anybody ever suggested otherwise, you fool?.
However, no intelligent person can deny the importance of high crowds to each individual club and the league overall. They are not pointless stastistics and plenty of humans on the planet aside from big footy members give a flying f*ck about.
Should hopefully see a couple of 75k+ crowds this weekend...
