2011 Official Draft/Trade Discussion Thread [Part I]

[Duckworth]

Re: 2011 Official Draft/Trade Discussion Thread

I am dead serious, we might get a lowish 3rd rounder but he is nowhere near the value on the open market that we think. Put it this way he is one dimensional, now whilst good, he has failed in the midfield countless times, so who will pay top dollar for a defensive forward? Come on, I would love to know. We all love Gus, but he is way more value to us (as we don't have a better option) than he is on the open market.

Maybe that's because he's not a midfielder! Yes, he is a lead up forward, can apply defensive pressure and kick goals. (3rd highest goal kicker for us this year).

Lowish 3rd rounder is ridiculous.

 

[JimmyHirdJR]

Re: 2011 Official Draft/Trade Discussion Thread

Maybe that's because he's not a midfielder! Yes, he is a lead up forward, can apply defensive pressure and kick goals. (3rd highest goal kicker for us this year).

Lowish 3rd rounder is ridiculous.

Could be used to nail a deal for a quality midfielder

 

[Jivin Jackel]

Re: 2011 Official Draft/Trade Discussion Thread

Players like Gus, davey maybe even a Stanton (I'm a fan of him not a hater) for a quality kid from the GWS? I don't think they would be after players like prismall, but those guys are best 22 quality and would have some value. Stanton hating flying probably wouldnt help just thinking about it.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Re: 2011 Official Draft/Trade Discussion Thread

Maybe that's because he's not a midfielder! Yes, he is a lead up forward, can apply defensive pressure and kick goals. (3rd highest goal kicker for us this year).

Lowish 3rd rounder is ridiculous.

There is my point! He is one-dimensional and despite being drafted as a midfielder has failed there. Sure he is a defensive leadup forward, but they are quite common. Lets be honest you aint giving up more than pick 30-40odd.

 

[yaco55]

Re: 2011 Official Draft/Trade Discussion Thread

Monfries Trade Value.

Looking at from a pure trading point of view - normal uncompromised draft - 16 picks per round.

Think Monfries would attract a trade for pick between 20 and 30 - Maybe closer to 30.

Under the best scenario 20 - That is an early second rounder - 30 - Is a late second rounder.

Bombers No1 has suggested an early third rounder - probably not far off the mark.

 

[yaco55]

Re: 2011 Official Draft/Trade Discussion Thread

Bombers No 1 - What do you think of this proposal ?

Essendon aggressively target one of GWS' four seventeen year olds - That must be traded.

With J.Daniher joining in 2012/2013 - We could potentially have 2 guns helping set up the next few years - Of course this would necessitate giving up a favored son.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Re: 2011 Official Draft/Trade Discussion Thread

Bombers No 1 - What do you think of this proposal ?

Essendon aggressively target one of GWS' four seventeen year olds - That must be traded.

With J.Daniher joining in 2012/2013 - We could potentially have 2 guns helping set up the next few years - Of course this would necessitate giving up a favored son.

Depends, on who you are talking about to be dead honest. The GWS 17year olds are not as highly rated as the GC ones, I don't see a Zac Smith-type there to be honest. But I am open to the idea. But who would I give up, Stanton perhaps? Our first rounder maybe.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Re: 2011 Official Draft/Trade Discussion Thread

Bombers No1 has suggested an early third rounder - probably not far off the mark.

Exactly, a top side might look at him as a late 2nd rounder, but more likely a 3rd rounder.

 

[Drummer_19]

Re: 2011 Official Draft/Trade Discussion Thread

Monfries for a tree stump would suffice, at least you could rely on it to be upstanding when it gets a bit of contact. No way we would get anything in the 3rd round for him.

 

[Slattery_20]

Re: 2011 Official Draft/Trade Discussion Thread

Some of you knobends really need to look at the calibre of player that actually , in the real world, net a 3rd or 4th rounder deal - Raines after 2 years out, Adam "who?" Thomson, Brett Peake, Brent Prismall with a knee and so on. Nothing footballers with either injuries or no spot in the 1sts.

Of course, on bigfooty, a 1st round draft pick is worth Chris Judd + Ablett, cos let's face it every first rounder wins a brownlow, don't they???

Anyone who'd find a gig, who has enough talent to consistently play 1sts for 4+ years; in the first half of their career has to net at least a 2nd rounder. Monfries is all of that.
No superstar but a good little player who can consistently get jobs done and would be in the 22 for most sides. If he does a knee tomorrow and someone takes his spot we start talking late picks.

And besides that, I've actually been more impressed with him this year than any other.

Maybe Higgins isn't the answer but extremely talented, kicks goals and in a situation that makes him vulnerable for trading along with Griffen.

I do agree he'd be good, I just odn't think he's the right type to chase. We need a genuine midfielder.

 

[Fin ice Smuggler]

Re: 2011 Official Draft/Trade Discussion Thread

I do agree he'd be good, I just odn't think he's the right type to chase. We need a genuine midfielder.

I agree with what your saying, if i was given a choice betwen griffen/vince/boak etc and higgins it would be one of the group from the former over higgins. But I think he could push up to be a 80 midfielder 20% HF if he gets his body right, thats a BIG IF!!! I would package gumby for him and hope we get a 1999 Mark Mercuri year out of him.

I would then hope with our first draft pick we could pick up a genuine inside midfielder...

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Re: 2011 Official Draft/Trade Discussion Thread

Higgins would cost a first rounder AND a decent player, we just don't need him. He is a good player, but an injury prone player who we would pay premium is surely not the smartest idea on the books. It is why Walker makes more sense, wouldn't cost that much and the potential is there.

 

[Towno78]

Re: 2011 Official Draft/Trade Discussion Thread

You actually serious? Averages 15 disposals. Yeah we might scrape a 4th rounder for him...

So pick 55-65 bno1?

I am dead serious, we might get a lowish 3rd rounder but he is nowhere near the value on the open market that we think. Put it this way he is one dimensional, now whilst good, he has failed in the midfield countless times, so who will pay top dollar for a defensive forward? Come on, I would love to know. We all love Gus, but he is way more value to us (as we don't have a better option) than he is on the open market.

No, maybe 40-48

There is my point! He is one-dimensional and despite being drafted as a midfielder has failed there. Sure he is a defensive leadup forward, but they are quite common. Lets be honest you aint giving up more than pick 30-40odd.

Ooh ooh wait, maybe 30-40

Exactly, a top side might look at him as a late 2nd rounder, but more likely a 3rd rounder.

Oooooorrrrrr, maybe even 28-32 if we're lucky...

Wish you were head of recruiting at one of the other clubs, we'd just need to ask you enough times and we'd get your first round pick!

 

[Kong]

Re: 2011 Official Draft/Trade Discussion Thread

Also, I'm pretty sure guys like LeCras and Didak were originally midfielders.

Guess their value would diminish based on that.

 

[Slattery_20]

Re: 2011 Official Draft/Trade Discussion Thread

Metro

Alex Woodward - Burgoyne-style poised inside mid with time, space and very good disposal to a forward

If that's not the player we need...

Early reports are the draft is deep on rucks & midfielders. Plays into our hands - given we don't need rucks at all while a lot of clubs will. Best midfielder first, then best of the flankers, a tall and a crumber after that.

 

[Kong]

Re: 2011 Official Draft/Trade Discussion Thread

Where's that quote from?

I've been saying for about three years we need to draft more crumbers, ideally the Aboriginal/NT style. Not racist.

 

[Drummer_19]

Re: 2011 Official Draft/Trade Discussion Thread

Where's that quote from?

I've been saying for about three years we need to draft more crumbers, ideally the Aboriginal/NT style. Not racist.

I reallllly agree with this, if we're going to plonk a bunch of bigs up forward we really need effective crumbers. Jetta has been getting really good at this but we could really use a couple more goal sneaks when the ball hits the ground to not just kick goals but help keep the ball inside 50 and not allow those quick rebounds richmond got away with.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Re: 2011 Official Draft/Trade Discussion Thread

So pick 55-65 bno1?


No, maybe 40-48


Ooh ooh wait, maybe 30-40


Oooooorrrrrr, maybe even 28-32 if we're lucky...

Wish you were head of recruiting at one of the other clubs, we'd just need to ask you enough times and we'd get your first round pick!

What is a late 2nd rounder in this years draft....wait for it...around 40 odd with all the compensation picks...that is AT BEST! More likely a 3rd round which is in the late 40's.

 

[ant555]

Re: Bernie Vince

That statement is completely ridiculous. I drink at the footy, so does that mean I'm not devoted to school? Of course not! People drink, get over it.

If it was an afternoon game then maybe but it is not such a smart thing to do at 11am when you are fighting to get back into the side.
How many times have you started before noon ?

 

[ant555]

Re: 2011 Official Draft/Trade Discussion Thread

What is a late 2nd rounder in this years draft....wait for it...around 40 odd with all the compensation picks...that is AT BEST! More likely a 3rd round which is in the late 40's.

Here we go the you tube expert on drafting is back

Yes Gus only averages 15 possessions but how many forwards average more ?
You can not compare him with mid averages because he does not play mid.
He would be worth a mid range second round pick from around pick 24.

 

[ant555]

Re: 2011 Official Draft/Trade Discussion Thread

Bombers No 1 - What do you think of this proposal ?

Essendon aggressively target one of GWS' four seventeen year olds - That must be traded.

With J.Daniher joining in 2012/2013 - We could potentially have 2 guns helping set up the next few years - Of course this would necessitate giving up a favored son.

Depends on where you see the list at, with a 17 year old you are looking at a minimum four year plan for them to be ready so basically you are looking at 2016 when these blokes are 21.
To get one of the 17 year olds you are going to be giving up a good player that would be in the top 10 on our list. Do we want to give up that sort of player now ?
The way i see it we are maybe 3 or 4 players off being a genuine top 4 side and 1 or 2 of them could already be on our list in guys like Carlisle, Browne, Silverloch and Steinburg.

If the GWS where keen on Stanton then i would look at it but would Stanton attract one of them ?
Ryder is another but i would be reluctant to give away one of our ruck stocks leaving us with only 2 experienced and Jenkins and having to draft or trade for another.

Personally i would rather give up a good player to get a good player, something like Monfries for Salopek as i think that our window will be open around maybe 2012 or 2013 and if we wait until 2016 a lot of the current list will be going down the other side.
We drafted a gun in a compromised draft last year and there are some good mids i am looking forward to seeing over the next two drafts as well.

 

[Slattery_20]

Re: 2011 Official Draft/Trade Discussion Thread

Shermanator = end of first round pick. If we got less than that for someone like Monfries I'd be pretty pissed off.

 

[ant555]

Re: 2011 Official Draft/Trade Discussion Thread

Shermanator = end of first round pick. If we got less than that for someone like Monfries I'd be pretty pissed off.

True but the value of players seems to change every year and you get everything from first round picks for players like Wood to 2nd or 3rd round picks for good players .
All depends on the desperation of the clubs in need.

 

[Fin ice Smuggler]

Re: 2011 Official Draft/Trade Discussion Thread

Shermanator = end of first round pick. If we got less than that for someone like Monfries I'd be pretty pissed off.

surely we cant trade monfries? Port wouldnt take him, they have too many of those type players that are a cancer to their club e.g motlop, robbie gray, Ebert. Besides Monfries gets a stack of free kicks in the forward line for us... I think he is playing injured this year which is effecting his impact, but the way he plays that lead up role when fit is invaluable. We just need our bigger men to stand up...

If we were to trade him he would have to go to Adelaide, the club he supported, we can then target Sloane or Vince (not Taylor Walker?), taylor walker is nothing better then Jay Neagle or Aaron Edwards.

I dont think we'll trade stanton unless he makes a request, if he does I think the club would do the right thing by him and trade him to a melbourne based club, if our supporters keep booing him he will most likely leave us for free agency in coming years and we'll lose him for nothing.

 

[Slattery_20]

Re: 2011 Official Draft/Trade Discussion Thread

Riddle me this then, ant: how often has a guy in the first half of his career, who plays every week, is competent or better, and with no major injury issues or "attitude" problems, been traded for less than a first round pick?

I can't think of many.