List Mgmt. 2013 draft and trading

[Dale4captain]

Patton rumours are growing stronger according to a fair few journo's. Not sure what the supporter base has to say about it, but the list of footy people on the Patton for trade bandwagon is growing by the day.So far it includes Terry Wallace, Mark Stevens, Damien Barrett, Sam Landsberger, the entire TAC Future Stars panel, the list goes on.

I know youguys will not want to lose him full stop, but the jungle drums are beating and it appears you are in the box seat for a couple of AAA+++ KPF in this years trade/draft period with Tom Boyd and Buddy Franklin. It would be incredibly difficult to fit in Boyd, Cameron, Franklin, Patton and Giles when he rotates through.You'd be far too top heavy if all those blokes were in your side.

Generally I'd say just hang on to him, but his value will plummet if left to rot in the seconds, not to mention he would likely be held there for a number of years because lets be honest, that forward line will be a dominant force for the next 8 years at least.

Now, the tough part would be a fair trade. In a perfect world, a fair trade would be pick 1. That's what he's worth, but you wont get that. The sides in a position to trade reasonably fairly with you are Melbourne, Stkilda and the 'Dogs. All hold a pick that could be manipulated to suit a reasonably fair trade. I'd strick the Dee's out almost immediately as their forward line is looking very good for talls already with Watts, Dawes, Clark, Howe, Fitzpatrick and Hogan. The Saints will need a KPF, but they still have St Nick and now the very promising Tom Lee and are very desperate to pick up midfield depth as that's clearly the weakest point on their list by a country mile. They'll get Aish or Kelly with pick 3. Bookmark that.

That leaves one major player. The Western Bulldogs. We have pick four and a surplus of mid-range senior players including Jarrad Grant, Easton Wood, Dylan Addison, Tory Dickson, Christian Howard or even Liam Picken. If Higgins isn't traded for Crameri then he's definitely an option too.

What do you guys see as a plausible trade? any of the above in combination with pick 4? Or is this a pointless exercise and you're all certain he will stay..

 

[Cringle]

That pick 9 looks nice

 

[IanW]

What do you guys see as a plausible trade? any of the above in combination with pick 4? Or is this a pointless exercise and you're all certain he will stay..

Its a really simple trade.

We dont hire Buddy.

We then happily fit a developing Boyd and Patton into Jeremy Cameron's forward line.

 

[Scully2Folau]

Dale4captain

Personally I wouldn't be trading Patton and would rather keep him with Cameron and Boyd and not spend up to $2m per on Buddy (let's spend $1-1.5m on 2-3 experienced players instead)

It's possible that Patton is on the table come trade period, but I reckon it'd only be on the basis that, at a minimum:
- we get Buddy (which personally I'm against as KPF is clearly the strongest area on our developing list)
- we pick Boyd (a lock at #1)
- we sign Jezza to another extension (like Patton he still has two years to run, but you'd want to secure him beyond that if you're trading out another gun KPF)

Most of the suggestions have been #4 and Easton Wood for Patton, with caution around Patton's knees. But then I look at Wood's record this year and it seems he missed about 15 weeks with a hamstring injury...

In short:
- I don't want us to sign Buddy, nor do I want us to trade Patton
- pick 4 would be a strong starting point obviously if it were to come to a trade, but I think it would need a very nice sweetener because we could just as easily not trade him

 

[Mitchell08]

Miles to st kilda and Sipposs to Gws would be a win-win for both teams

 

[BRWB]

Dale4captain

Personally I wouldn't be trading Patton and would rather keep him with Cameron and Boyd and not spend up to $2m per on Buddy (let's spend $1-1.5m on 2-3 experienced players instead)

It's possible that Patton is on the table come trade period, but I reckon it'd only be on the basis that, at a minimum:
- we get Buddy (which personally I'm against as KPF is clearly the strongest area on our developing list)
- we pick Boyd (a lock at #1)
- we sign Jezza to another extension (like Patton he still has two years to run, but you'd want to secure him beyond that if you're trading out another gun KPF)

Most of the suggestions have been #4 and Easton Wood for Patton, with caution around Patton's knees. But then I look at Wood's record this year and it seems he missed about 15 weeks with a hamstring injury...

In short:
- I don't want us to sign Buddy, nor do I want us to trade Patton
- pick 4 would be a strong starting point obviously if it were to come to a trade, but I think it would need a very nice sweetener because we could just as easily not trade him

Yeah agree Buddy isn't best fit for your list, but he may be for your club ie marketing, political AFL crap, etc. You'd think your list would struggle to play all of Boyd, Buddy, Cameron and Patton. It'll be interesting you'd think Carlton will have a crack and maybe even the Pies. You are right the Bulldogs are light on in seasoned players to offer, although Wood (if fit) isn't a bad fit for your stated needs (plus I understand you guys were into him before).

Disagree on Patton's value, 2 yrs post pick 1, and no-one knows much about Patton other than he has injured both knees...Pick 4 on its own may be enough with a very light sweetener, but then if another club offers a couple of seasoned players (say Warnock and Mitch Robinson for example you might take that).

The other thing is if Patton doesn't do a lot next year or gets injured again his value would plummet you'd think, so the smart play from GWS may be to trade now while his perceived value is high.

 

[Drezdyn]

I'm really against the idea of trading Patton because we're getting Boyd.

Both are untested at the top level (Patton has had a few games). Trading Patton out for Boyd would send a really bad message to the playing group, especially since he signed a contract extension and has shown loyalty to the club. I'd hate the club to get a rep of just trading out players when they've hit bad patch.

I know we need to sacrifice to get the players we want, as many other posters have said, let's start with by sacrificing the pursuit of Buddy.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

Everything seems to point to us having Buddy on board for 2014 like it or not. Which means we are likely open to trading one of Patton, Boyd or Jaksch. And out of that group it would seem that for Boyd or Jaksch we won't get what we consider equal value.
However for Patton we are likely to get a high draft pick plus a good experienced player.

Plus add in the fact that Boyd has the added advantage of being able to also go in the ruck, and Jaksch can play both ends while Patton can only play forward so that also comes into play in any trade decision making process.

So while I would rather we didn't trade Patton I can understand if we go in that direction.

 

[coniglio_number1]

Why offer the guy who wants to stay but keep the bloke who reportedly wants to leave? Keep Patton I say

 

[Flash86]

Everything seems to point to us having Buddy on board for 2014 like it or not. Which means we are likely open to trading one of Patton, Boyd or Jaksch. And out of that group it would seem that for Boyd or Jaksch we won't get what we consider equal value.
However for Patton we are likely to get a high draft pick plus a good experienced player.

Plus add in the fact that Boyd has the added advantage of being able to also go in the ruck, and Jaksch can play both ends while Patton can only play forward so that also comes into play in any trade decision making process.

So while I would rather we didn't trade Patton I can understand if we go in that direction.

Sorry to intrude on your board.
I agree that it looks like GWS will get Buddy. Even though Ablett is a out and out gun, I always thought GWS did the better recruiting in the first year than the suns. Picked up 20 year old future stars rather than 26 year old players who won't be around in the premiership run. Then picked up mature players to protect the young players in the first few years. Guys like Mcdonald from Melbourne. Great pick up. Concern is not many people coming to the games.

You have a once in a life time forward in Cameron. Absolute Gun!! Ward could be the biggest loss in bulldogs history. Was touted as future captain of the bulldogs in his second year on our list. Can't blame him for leaving though.
What you guys need though, is you need a start to get people going to the game. Even though I rate Roughy as the better forward from hawks, Buddy is one of the most exciting players. Is a tall small forward. Can't really mark overhead but the things he can do are unbelieveable. The money he could bring to GWS will 2 million dollars a year is a steal for GWS. The whole buddy ball merchandise and people will just watch GWS to watch the Buddy and Cameron show in the first few years, not to mention Boyd.

I do think that trading Patton would be a great list management move. Pick up Boyd and Wood from the dogs, either trade pick 4 that we gave you for a gun player, or draft Kelly or Shranenberg who is a Goddard type.

I think the trade is defaintely fair on both accounts. From reports GWS want a half back. Wood is that guy for you guys. He is as athletic as they come. Had a injury this year, but can be that attacking half back player you guys want. Boyd is the better player.
Dogs just need a forward who can take pressure off Jones.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

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HUGE NEWS! Dustin Martin and his management have told the Tigers they're going to "pursue offers from other clubs" Details @superfooty

 

[coniglio_number1]

Dusty for Adams and pick 19? Or will he cost more?

 

[captainMyCaptain]

Dusty for Adams and pick 19? Or will he cost more?

I would like to think he would cost less - psd pick 1

 

[dlanod]

Martin has an overinflated sense of his own value, basically because of our previous attempt to poach him bidding up his last contract. The big question is whether any club is willing to indulge that? Obviously Richmond has opted not to, and if no other club wants to he'll probably end up back at Richmond. We're an obvious candidate since we were interested in him last time around and we have the salary cap... but I'm not convinced it'll be sensible management to jump on him at the prices he seems to think he warrants.

 

[Matchu]

How would GWS fans feel about this three way trade...

Gold Coast offer: Pick 5
Gold Coast get: Jonathan Patton

Richmond offer: Dustin Martin
Richmond get: Pick 5

GWS offer: Jonathan Patton
GWS get: Dustin Martin

 

[IanW]

How would GWS fans feel about this three way trade...

Gold Coast offer: Pick 5
Gold Coast get: Jonathan Patton

Richmond offer: Dustin Martin
Richmond get: Pick 5

GWS offer: Jonathan Patton
GWS get: Dustin Martin

Alternatively ...

GWS keep Jonathon Patton. GWS select Dustin Martin with the first pick of the Pre-Season Draft.

 

[coniglio_number1]

Patton is contracted and extended with no public desire to leave. He stays.

 

[IanW]

Patton is contracted and extended with no public desire to leave. He stays.

Absolutely agreed by the way - loyalty cuts both ways.

 

[captain cotch 9]

Honestly 90% of Richmond people will take Adams for Martin. Getting rid of the spud will take alot of shit away from our club. Living in Sydney away from the media in Melbourne could be the best thing for Martin. Adams has a similar style to Martin and a lot less baggage!!! If I was in charge at Richmond the deal would be done in the first 20seconds on the Monday of trade week

 

[Scully2Folau]

I don't think the Giants first move would be the threat of the PSD. It would no doubt linger over any negotiations though.

I think we'd be amicable in any dealings but not to the point where we're offering pick 1 or multiple assets. I don't think SOS wants him that badly.

In any case, Martin himself has made a statement on twitter that he hasn't left Richmond and has simply asked for more time to consider his options.

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

Honestly 90% of Richmond people will take Adams for Martin. Getting rid of the spud will take alot of shit away from our club. Living in Sydney away from the media in Melbourne could be the best thing for Martin. Adams has a similar style to Martin and a lot less baggage!!! If I was in charge at Richmond the deal would be done in the first 20seconds on the Monday of trade week

Why would we give up Adams for a spud with baggage?

 

[captain cotch 9]

Why would we give up Adams for a spud with baggage?

because adams wants out?

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

because adams wants out?

And you think the best we can do is a spud ith baggage?
I think we can do better, if indeed he does want out. Besides, Martin can walk to the PSD where we can get him for nothing.

I'm calling it now. Martin for Adams WILL NOT HAPPEN.

 

[who_let_the_dogs_out]

Alternatively ...

GWS keep Jonathon Patton. GWS select Dustin Martin with the first pick of the Pre-Season Draft.

Melbourne will come at him (Martin) with a big offer as well. Reports are they are waiting on a response from his management.

You'll need a top 10 pick to get it done.

 

[dlanod]

because adams wants out?

There isn't an indication that Adams wants out, just that he wants guaranteed time and money. We may be able to satisfy him, or other clubs might have better offers (which I believe he's investigating).