2014 AFL Hall of Fame inductees

[Hawkinspired]

I'll bite.

"Durable journeymen" don't make six All Australian sides, captaining one.

For context - here are the people in and around that category of player:

Qualification: Selection in six or more teams from 1953 to 2013

Robert Harvey 8
Mark Ricciuto 8
Gary Ablett, Jr. 7
Craig Bradley 7
Nathan Buckley 7
Wayne Carey 7
Paul Roos 7
Ben Cousins 6
Dean Cox 6
Brad Johnson 6
Chris Judd 6
Matthew Pavlich 6
Matthew Scarlett 6

As for Fevola being twice the player Johnson was...pfft. Fevola has twice the goals of Johnson because....ummm...he was a FULL FORWARD!! Johnson spent the first half of his career as a wingman before moving forward. So your comparison is redundant.

In a nutshell, your post is complete and utter garbage.

Whilst individual honours are good measuring sticks I don't think we can judge a players career on single categories in isolation like All Australian. Looking at your above list, how many Coleman's, Brownlow's, Norm Smith's and MVP's are there? Johnson had none of these.

I'm sorry to single out Johnson on this occasion, but he was an easy target. We have them every year. I thought Shane Crawford was lucky to get inducted and he had a Brownlow and an MVP.

I think we just have to sit back and let the dust settle before we rush into these inductions. As I mentioned earlier the AFL are just diluting the pool so they can induct another legend next year. It would make much more sense to scrap the 10% rule because it's pretty clear that we could comfortably add a further 5 to the legend status without compromising the integrity of the Hale of Fame.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

Kouta had one hell of a year, Tredrea slowed with injuries (as did Kouta), Brad Johnson was relatively consistent throughout, Richo was probably the only one who improved as he got older IMO.

I think McLeod's earlier stuff was better, the loose man in defense playing alongside Hart/Rutten/Smart etc etc wouldnt be the hardest role.

Was better in the early years, but lost his way for a little while in between him being moved back where he reignited himself again.

Disagree I think McLeod kept a pretty solid form line throughout his career, he was always dependable & his very best years were outstanding.

 

[Slax]

Kouta shouldn't be in there this year or any other year, his career is completely over-rated. HoF should be judged on what you do over the course of your career not one or two seasons, he failed to deliver at the necessary level over the course of his career to jsutify inclusion. Injuries are unfortuante, but they should never be a factor in making a decision like this because simply you can't judge how they would of performed if they didn't have, no-one will ever know the answer to that question, theorise all you like but that is all it will ever be, a theory. HoF should solely be based on fact and the facts clearly show Kouta shouldn't be HoF

 

[Kram]

Surely Clive Waterhouse should be in there?

 

[Dandy_GO]

McLeod was a complete midfielder, and could really have played anywhere on the ground. Lighting fast, excellent in traffic, super silky skills, and had that inate vision and ability to read the game which would mean he would will himself into the right place at the right time and win games for the Crows on a regular basis. The epitome of a big game player. He was very unlucky not to win a Brownlow one year. I can't think of a modern comparison that is good enough. Maybe Chad Wingard but in a full time midfielder who was equally adept at playing anywhere.

Can't understate how amazing he was at turning it on when we needed him most. I may be biased, but I can't think of anyone you'd describe as more of a 'big game player' than McLeod. Won two norm smiths in a row, as well as a Michael Tuck medal for BoG in the pre-season cup final, kicked his biggest ever goal haul (7 goals) in the 1998 prelim, his best ever goal (and one of the best goals of all time) was against Collingwood with scores level at the end of the 4th quarter to win the game.
He was a very consistent player, as his 5 AA guernseys, 3 club champions and 2 top three brownlow finishes proves, but nobody knew how to kick it up a gear when it mattered like McLeod.
I really miss watching him play.

 

[Nikita Blue]

Kouta shouldn't be in there this year or any other year, his career is completely over-rated. HoF should be judged on what you do over the course of your career not one or two seasons, he failed to deliver at the necessary level over the course of his career to jsutify inclusion. Injuries are unfortuante, but they should never be a factor in making a decision like this because simply you can't judge how they would of performed if they didn't have, no-one will ever know the answer to that question, theorise all you like but that is all it will ever be, a theory. HoF should solely be based on fact and the facts clearly show Kouta shouldn't be HoF

But you are wrong - it wasn't just one or two seasons.

 

[invinciBlues]

Kouta shouldn't be in there this year or any other year, his career is completely over-rated. HoF should be judged on what you do over the course of your career not one or two seasons, he failed to deliver at the necessary level over the course of his career to jsutify inclusion. Injuries are unfortuante, but they should never be a factor in making a decision like this because simply you can't judge how they would of performed if they didn't have, no-one will ever know the answer to that question, theorise all you like but that is all it will ever be, a theory. HoF should solely be based on fact and the facts clearly show Kouta shouldn't be HoF

You know that after he blew out every ligament in both his knees and lost his speed and agility he then became one of the best clearance players in the league?

His post knee years werent as good, obviously, but he was still quality.

 

[cammo78]

Whilst individual honours are good measuring sticks I don't think we can judge a players career on single categories in isolation like All Australian. Looking at your above list, how many Coleman's, Brownlow's, Norm Smith's and MVP's are there? Johnson had none of these.

I'm sorry to single out Johnson on this occasion, but he was an easy target. We have them every year. I thought Shane Crawford was lucky to get inducted and he had a Brownlow and an MVP.

I think we just have to sit back and let the dust settle before we rush into these inductions. As I mentioned earlier the AFL are just diluting the pool so they can induct another legend next year. It would make much more sense to scrap the 10% rule because it's pretty clear that we could comfortably add a further 5 to the legend status without compromising the integrity of the Hale of Fame.

If you were looking for an "easy target" or example of "diluting the pool", I'd suggest your efforts would have been far better concentrated on Koutoufides, whose inclusion is bordering on laughable.

 

[Slax]

You know that after he blew out every ligament in both his knees and lost his speed and agility he then became one of the best clearance players in the league?

His post knee years werent as good, obviously, but he was still quality.

This is my point you have to look at a players career as it actually stands no what happened because of injury.

But you are wrong - it wasn't just one or two seasons.

No probably more like 3 or 4. Still doesn't change the fact that there are plenty of blokes who have played the game who aren't in the HoF who were a hell of a lot better footballers than Kouta, which is what makes the HoF such a joke. There is a way to heavy a representation of players from the late 80s through to those just eligible compared to those from earlier than the mid-80s. It just shows the double standard that is the HoF and how the AFL like to try and use it to keep fans of clubs happy bastardising it rather than using it for what it was intended, recognition of the those who consistentially produced A grade performances over many years throught their career. In a career that spanned 15 years even stretching it Kouta didn't consistently perform at an elite level for half that period.

 

[HirdyLannister]

Yes, and long overdue. His 2000 season remains the most dominant by an individual player in modern history. One of the most versatile players to ever play the game.

Is that why Shane Woewodin won the brownlow?

 

[Reginald Perrin]

Matthew Pavlich has never been the best player in the competition over a year, unlike Tredrea. Matthew Pavlich has never captained a premiership, unlike Tredrea. I look forward to your complaints about how the standard isn't high enough when he gets inducted.

Pavlich will be inducted as soon as he becomes eligible. The contrast between he and Tredrea is stark already and Pavlich is still playing.

 

[Zeke]

Of the blokes I actually witnessed first hand:

Kouta
Ridiculous inclusion. 3-4 top shelf seasons should not qualify for the HALL OF FAME.

McLeod
Well deserved. Absolutely no qualms.

Tredrea
Borderline, but impressive resume and consistency edge him over the line.

Johnson
Another iffy one, for mine. Was never really top shelf, always consistently lingering below the real elite players in the comp. Perhaps he's been included for being consistently just below elite for longer than anyone else?

Richo
Hard to knock the Richo man. Put him in a strong side for his whole career and you might be looking at a future Legend. If Tredders gets in, Richo gets in.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Pavlich will be inducted as soon as he becomes eligible. The contrast between he and Tredrea is stark already and Pavlich is still playing.

The mating call of someone who started watching football less than a decade ago.

Tredrea was inducted the first time he was eligible as well with an incredibly formidable record. Nobody who actually watched him play would be questioning his HOF status. The only reason Pavlich is mentioned in the same sentence is because Tredrea never got back to his best after knee injuries.

 

[Reginald Perrin]

The mating call of someone who started watching football less than a decade ago.

Tredrea was inducted the first time he was eligible as well with an incredibly formidable record. Nobody who actually watched him play would be questioning his HOF status. The only reason Pavlich is mentioned in the same sentence is because Tredrea never got back to his best after knee injuries.

The only reason I mentioned Pavlich at all was because somebody brought it up. It has nothing to do with the fact that I don't believe Tredrea has the right stuff for the Hall of Fame.

I've been watching football since the seventies, so it sounds like getting things wrong is pretty standard for you.

 

[Sam The Doc]

KOUTAAA!! What a player!

Haha all saying that he shouldn't be in it. Get use to it!

 

[Phhht]

.... The contrast between he and Tredrea is stark already .....

... so it sounds like getting things wrong is pretty standard for you.

Sounds like you know all about that

 

[Nikita Blue]

I think some contributors to this thread should take John Oliver’s advice and use their snarkiness for good.

 

[roosmad]

Surely Clive Waterhouse should be in there?

We'll if Richo got in, I can't see Clive missing out next year...makes a mockery of the hall of fame...

 

[El_Scorcho]

The only reason I mentioned Pavlich at all was because somebody brought it up. It has nothing to do with the fact that I don't believe Tredrea has the right stuff for the Hall of Fame.

I've been watching football since the seventies, so it sounds like getting things wrong is pretty standard for you.

If you watched Tredrea play on a regular basis and don't think he's HOF worthy, that says a lot more about your football knowledge than it does about Tredrea. He was a lock from the moment he stood on the dais at the G holding the premiership cup, having won his 4th consecutive AA guernsey in the hardest position on the ground.

 

[Reginald Perrin]

If you watched Tredrea play on a regular basis and don't think he's HOF worthy, that says a lot more about your football knowledge than it does about Tredrea. He was a lock from the moment he stood on the dais at the G holding the premiership cup, having won his 4th consecutive AA guernsey in the hardest position on the ground.

So you say. I don't know why it's so important for me to agree with you though. Clearly you doubt yourself on this issue.

Tredrea shouldn't be in there. Live with it.

 

[El_Scorcho]

So you say. I don't know why it's so important for me to agree with you though. Clearly you doubt yourself on this issue.

Tredrea shouldn't be in there. Live with it.

So I say, so say the HOF selectors who selected him at first opportunity, and so say the vast majority of people who have posted on the matter.

You're either an incredibly poor judge of footballer or you didn't see him play if you disagree.

 

[Reginald Perrin]

So I say, so say the HOF selectors who selected him at first opportunity, and so say the vast majority of people who have posted on the matter.

You're either an incredibly poor judge of footballer or you didn't see him play if you disagree.

You're really aggrieved by this aren't you?

He still doesn't deserve to be there, so obviously my standards are higher than yours.

 

[Ambrosia]

The standard of Hall of Famers is really slipping. Wouldn't be surprised to see Brett Kirk inducted soon

 

[masai]

The standard of Hall of Famers is really slipping. Wouldn't be surprised to see Brett Kirk inducted soon

I think as has been said earlier, too many from the recent decade have been given entry.

Sure each time they do an induction, 2 could be from the recent batch, but induct another one each from say 50's, 60's & 70's.

Is Brian Peake in ?, his career makes Brad Johnson look like a reserves player.

 

[Tiger2709]

We'll if Richo got in, I can't see Clive missing out next year...makes a mockery of the hall of fame...

You don't think Richo deserves his spot