Position 2015 SuperCoach forwards

[ANGEL DARK]

You don't lose a GF by 10 goals and write it off as a bad day and stick with the same set-up for the next season. They need to try new things. They need to get better. Changes will be made. Longmire has already hinted at some changes, such as Sam Reid being used down back. Malceski leaving will also result in some changes obviously.

Mitchell has apparently been flying this pre-season and winning time trials so he will be right up there. His injuries from early in the season probably effected his overall fitness level going forward too. Don't underestimate the improvement continuity in training can bring.

Yes it was a bad day . You cant seriously tell me that Hawthorn are a 10 goal better side than Sydney especially when honours were even and quite close in the games they both played against each other during the season. Sydney had a lot of players down on grand final day and they didn't perform. It happens to even the best sides. Mitchell might be flying at pre season training but so is about two thirds of the competition at the moment and it doesn't mean hes a walk up start in round 1

 

[SnappyHappy]

Yes it was a bad day . You cant seriously tell me that Hawthorn are a 10 goal better side than Sydney especially when honours were even and quite close in the games they both played against each other during the season. Sydney had a lot of players down on grand final day and they didn't perform. It happens to even the best sides. Mitchell might be flying at pre season training but so is about two thirds of the competition at the moment and it doesn't mean hes a walk up start in round 1

I never said Mitchell would be a walk up start, but he will get his chance in the NAB challenge and if he performs well I can't see why he wouldn't get a game in Round 1.

 

[ANGEL DARK]

I never said Mitchell would be a walk up start, but he will get his chance in the NAB challenge and if he performs well I can't see why he wouldn't get a game in Round 1.

Same thing happened last year though. Played well in pre season got a few games early then disappeared for the rest of the season. Ask yourself whos going to make way for him in the Sydney midfield? Hannebery had an interrupted start to last years pre season and Mitchell got games early because of this but from all reports all of Sydneys mids are fit and up and running so far so I am not sure if Mitchell can break into the side early on

 

[toxic]

Same thing happened last year though. Played well in pre season got a few games early then disappeared for the rest of the season. Ask yourself whos going to make way for him in the Sydney midfield? Hannebery had an interrupted start to last years pre season and Mitchell got games early because of this but from all reports all of Sydneys mids are fit and up and running so far so I am not sure if Mitchell can break into the side early on

Take out his rd4 game where he got injured he averaged 24+disposals and 7 tackles
Carlton offered bim a big 4yr deal which he declined

He'll play rd1 and will blitz

Plz dont pick him by all means

 

[Atavistic]

Wondering what people think will happen to Goddard in the event that Essendon get slapped with suspensions? Will well and truly be their best player so will undoubtably get a lot of attention from taggers. Will he take advantage of the amount of points on offer with a bunch of good essendon players out or will he struggle with no support?

If/when suspensions come, then Goddard will be the least of your concerns. We'll probably all be scrambling to work out which Essendon rookies to choose.

 

[ANGEL DARK]

Take out his rd4 game where he got injured he averaged 24+disposals and 7 tackles
Carlton offered bim a big 4yr deal which he declined

He'll play rd1 and will blitz

Plz dont pick him by all means

I am not doubting his ball getting or scoring ability. If he plays he will go well but i am questioning whether he will get enough games to justify having him

 

[toxic]

I am not doubting his ball getting or scoring ability. If he plays he will go well but i am questioning whether he will get enough games to justify having him

If he hadnt been injured on and off for the majority of 2014 he would have played 1sts imho.

Every 4-6 weeks he got injured apparently, don't know the exact history of it but smarter swans supporters than me clearly rate him best 22 and slotting straight into the midfield, hff , wing rotation

 

[Thuggee_Cult]

If he hadnt been injured on and off for the majority of 2014 he would have played 1sts imho.

Every 4-6 weeks he got injured apparently, don't know the exact history of it but smarter swans supporters than me clearly rate him best 22 and slotting straight into the midfield, hff , wing rotation

Yup, he got injured Round 4 in the seniors, then came back through the twos and got reinjured. All up he missed a large chunk of the year and only got a game in the late rounds due to JPK and a couple of other players being rested. He played well enough when he did get his chance but the balance of the team was settled by then.

This year has been the first full preseason he has done. He could play full back, full forward, ruck or centre half bench and still rack up 20-5 touches very quickly. He is best 22 no question.

 

[cdcanman]

Completely disagree. Mitchell when fit last season was getting huge numbers in the twos and still couldn't crack it for a game. The GF loss was one game in the whole season. Don't forget those players that didn't perform in the GF were also the same players that made good contributions in helping them get to the grand final so judging them on one game be it the GF is not really going to sway the coach to dropping them for this season. I reallt think Sydney just had a bad day at the office in last years GF and that's all it was. With regards to Mitchells form well we all know he can get the ball but the truth is he still couldn't crack it for a game last season when he was fit and playing well in the twos so picking him again in your side will come with huge risk

Mitchell wasn't fit last season, at any point, ever. Had little to no preseason, and could not train throughout the year. Longmire was very upfront about this. If he could not train to the standards that were set for all players, then he would not play. From what we are hearing, he has been on the track consistently this preseason.
If Longmire or any coach lost their last game by 10 goals+ and rolls into the next season without having made any changes at all, just writing the loss off as 'a bad day', that would be the quickest way to lose one's job. Change is inevitable. Even Hawthorn will make changes. If you are not looking to improve and evolve, you might as well be going backwards.
They have an incredibly talented player who hasn't been able to show his best due to injury at this point in his career. He has shown that he is capable at the next level when relatively healthy. The only question the Swans will need to ask is whether Mitchell can have more of an impact than player x. If the answer is yes, he'll play.

 

[toxic]

Yup, he got injured Round 4 in the seniors, then came back through the twos and got reinjured. All up he missed a large chunk of the year and only got a game in the late rounds due to JPK and a couple of other players being rested. He played well enough when he did get his chance but the balance of the team was settled by then.

This year has been the first full preseason he has done. He could play full back, full forward, ruck or centre half bench and still rack up 20-5 touches very quickly. He is best 22 no question.

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[ANGEL DARK]

Mitchell wasn't fit last season, at any point, ever. Had little to no preseason, and could not train throughout the year. Longmire was very upfront about this. If he could not train to the standards that were set for all players, then he would not play. From what we are hearing, he has been on the track consistently this preseason.
If Longmire or any coach lost their last game by 10 goals+ and rolls into the next season without having made any changes at all, just writing the loss off as 'a bad day', that would be the quickest way to lose one's job. Change is inevitable. Even Hawthorn will make changes. If you are not looking to improve and evolve, you might as well be going backwards.
They have an incredibly talented player who hasn't been able to show his best due to injury at this point in his career. He has shown that he is capable at the next level when relatively healthy. The only question the Swans will need to ask is whether Mitchell can have more of an impact than player x. If the answer is yes, he'll play.

Mitchell was reasonably fit towards the end of last season and after a string of big possession games in the twos he got the call up to play against Richmond in round 23 mainly cause they rested the likes of Kennedy but he was dropped a week later for the finals when their main mids came back into the team. The point ive been making is that I don't think he is nailed on. He will get games but due the fact that Sydneys midfield have good depth I can see him being in and out of the side or possibly a sub candidate when he does get picked to play. So for mine I am no going to take a risk on a player like that

 

[toxic]

Mitchell was reasonably fit towards the end of last season and after a string of big possession games in the twos he got the call up to play against Richmond in round 23 mainly cause they rested the likes of Kennedy but he was dropped a week later for the finals when their main mids came back into the team. The point ive been making is that I don't think he is nailed on. He will get games but due the fact that Sydneys midfield have good depth I can see him being in and out of the side or possibly a sub candidate when he does get picked to play. So for mine I am no going to take a risk on a player like that

He wasn't season fit,
What depth do sydney have in the mids in your opinion?

 

[MightyMark]

Mitchell was reasonably fit towards the end of last season and after a string of big possession games in the twos he got the call up to play against Richmond in round 23 mainly cause they rested the likes of Kennedy but he was dropped a week later for the finals when their main mids came back into the team. The point ive been making is that I don't think he is nailed on. He will get games but due the fact that Sydneys midfield have good depth I can see him being in and out of the side or possibly a sub candidate when he does get picked to play. So for mine I am no going to take a risk on a player like that

If Sydney dont give him a decent cracked this year when fit, they will loose him.

A player like that isn't going to hang around if he doesn't get a game. Would almost be a walk up start at most other clubs.

 

[CasuallyDressed]

Do Melbourne fans expect Christian Salem to be in their side regularly?

Jock Reynolds seems to like him and it got me thinking that he might be a better pick than Mitch Clark.

 

[MightyMark]

Do Melbourne fans expect Christian Salem to be in their side regularly?

Jock Reynolds seems to like him and it got me thinking that he might be a better pick than Mitch Clark.

NAB cup will show you the way.

Clark will get plenty of games, and can score quite well, as long as he stays on the park. If he plays NAB cup it will mean that they are fairly confident with his body. If they had any doubts they would leave him out.

Salem should do well this year, second year but still priced as a rookie. Always a bonus especially for someone rated as highly as him. Copping the vest for a few games cost him last year.

 

[MrChristo]

If Sydney dont give him a decent cracked this year when fit, they will loose him.

A player like that isn't going to hang around if he doesn't get a game. Would almost be a walk up start at most other clubs.

Had a chance to go this year obviously...

Is that a good sign or blind faith on his part?

 

[toxic]

Had a chance to go this year obviously...

Is that a good sign or blind faith on his part?

Its tom saying

Even playing swans 2's is better than.playing for the blues

 

[ANGEL DARK]

He wasn't season fit,
What depth do sydney have in the mids in your opinion?

He was fit towards the end of the season. How can you not be fit when he had a 64 possession game in the twos and a couple of 50 possession games just prior to him being picked in round 23 to play Richmond. He got his chance because Sydney rested Kennedy in that game and a few others. The following week he got dropped and didn't play in the finals at all obviously because others were considered ahead of him

 

[Kadog]

If they didn't rate him he'd be wearing a Blues jumper right now. This year is make/break.

 

[SureBuddy]

Few forwards people do not seem to be mentioning at all..

- Boomer
- Bartel
- Roughhead

Is it the age of the top two? Both have not shown any signs of dropping off. Would be a couple of incredible PODS. I understand Roughy had a a very up and down year, however prior to that he was a great pick. I still laugh when I think of Judd_Magic and Roughhead last year

 

[KardiniaPark]

Few forwards people do not seem to be mentioning at all..

- Boomer
- Bartel
- Roughhead

Is it the age of the top two? Both have not shown any signs of dropping off. Would be a couple of incredible PODS. I understand Roughy had a a very up and down year, however prior to that he was a great pick. I still laugh when I think of Judd_Magic and Roughhead last year

Bartel will be used to plug holes. I just don't think he'll have a consistent year. He'll be 90-95 and that's just not near it this year. Harvey - Well yeah he's old, he has a higher ceiling than Bartel but again, there's just no need to be picking him at 46 or however old he is when you have Martin/Goddard/Bennell etc..I just don't see why you need to be picking Roughhead either when you have so many midfielders with more consistency and in most case higher ceilings.

 

[Kadog]

Few forwards people do not seem to be mentioning at all..

- Boomer
- Bartel
- Roughhead

Is it the age of the top two? Both have not shown any signs of dropping off. Would be a couple of incredible PODS. I understand Roughy had a a very up and down year, however prior to that he was a great pick. I still laugh when I think of Judd_Magic and Roughhead last year

No Cyril

 

[Thuggee_Cult]

Few forwards people do not seem to be mentioning at all..

- Boomer
- Bartel
- Roughhead

Is it the age of the top two? Both have not shown any signs of dropping off. Would be a couple of incredible PODS. I understand Roughy had a a very up and down year, however prior to that he was a great pick. I still laugh when I think of Judd_Magic and Roughhead last year

Bartel will be used to plug holes. I just don't think he'll have a consistent year. He'll be 90-95 and that's just not near it this year. Harvey - Well yeah he's old, he has a higher ceiling than Bartel but again, there's just no need to be picking him at 46 or however old he is when you have Martin/Goddard/Bennell etc..I just don't see why you need to be picking Roughhead either when you have so many midfielders with more consistency and in most case higher ceilings.

Bartel - He was playing a second tallish forward role last year and his output suffered. If Clark and/or Stanley can hold down this role then I'm very interested in Jimmy if he goes down back again. I would pick him ahead of Bennell personally.

Boomer - upgrade target

Roughead - I picked him last year in the late rounds for under 450k as a sneaky POD and other than getting rubbed out for a week he actually did the job for me, but that would be the only circumstance that I pick him. He is a slow starter.

 

[cdcanman]

Bartel - He was playing a second tallish forward role last year and his output suffered. If Clark and/or Stanley can hold down this role then I'm very interested in Jimmy if he goes down back again. I would pick him ahead of Bennell personally.

Boomer - upgrade target

Roughead - I picked him last year in the late rounds for under 450k as a sneaky POD and other than getting rubbed out for a week he actually did the job for me, but that would be the only circumstance that I pick him. He is a slow starter.

I think Bartel's days of playing in the back 6 are past. But I could see him spending more time in the middle this year. Changing with SJ, who may spend more time forward owing to his interrupted preseason. I have no inside intel, just speculating.

 

[Matthew Jelley]

How is Cyril still so expensive when hardly played last year??!