Would Breust be as good a player if he played for us? Just because he's all Australian I don't think he's better than Lecras who plays a similar role. I think McGovern has the ability to become a genuine star, a foundation type player, where as I think Breust is the cream after you've already got a great cake. Again it's true Bennell isn't of the same quality of either a Breust or Suckling but he's been more than handy playing for a team that is often under siege down in defence.
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That was 10 years ago. Times have changed
Agreed. Not a whole heap of free agents want to come here (as evidenced only last trade period when Fremantle were basically waving blank cheques in front of other player's noses to get them to come to WA). Perth is not a highly sought-after destination, and it would likely take a monumentally-stupid amount of money for a non-WA born player to want to come here.
Trading draft picks is all well and good, but thats a risky game to play that we havent had a lot of luck with in the past. First we have to secure a pick low enough to be worthwhile (arguably condoning tanking at the club), hope there is enough talent coming through the draft pool that a club will want our draft pick in exchange for a decent mid, or use our pick ourselves to draft a gun future mid that we need to put 3-4 years into (meaning that we remain a middling to sh*t team for another half-a-decade) before it pays off.
Sorry all, I know its unpopular, but as far as I can see the fastest way for us to get back into the 8 and start challenging for another premiership is to start trading players for established A-grade mids. When fit, our forward line is good, our defence is solid, our ruck is ok and we already have a few up-and-coming midfield players like Yeo and Dig-Dug. Put a Fyfe, Dangerfield or Rioli into the middle and we start to look a lot more like a top 4-6 side come 2016-2017. We arent going to get players of the aforementioned calibre by free agency or the draft, we need to bite the bullet and start talking turkey with the other clubs.
The only issue I have with that is I think other clubs would be more willing to pay overs for Kennedy. They wont with LeCras.
I'm really surprised that Fremantle can't attract players over atm, I mean they get another quality KPD and they are almost a certainty for another grand final appearance
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We'd also be giving up more.
How is trading Kennedy a better idea than trading LeCras?
I think the point that the poster is making is that if we want an A+ midfielder Lecras won't secure it. And we don't need another B+ type. Personally I'm happy to go through the draft but if you want to bring in an A+ midfielder Lecras won't do the job. Personally I don't think we will be able to trade in a real top quality midfielder regardless, maybe Brisbane would bite.
Picking up a Le Cras in the rookie draft is a pretty damn good achievement, but I think Breust is a better all-round player anyway.
He's four years younger and already averaging more disposals at a 1:1 CP-to-UP ratio, whereas Le Cras is much more outside.
Le Cras is also the 'cream after you've already got a great cake', so I'm not sure what the point of the comparison is.
Freo have Barlow, Duffield, Spurr, Pearce, Crowley and Johnson (PSD) all best 22 taken in the rookie draft.
Sydney I thought had taken a few good rookies, but they're more late ND picks.
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Well, that's a lazy argument.
The reality is that A+ midfielders very rarely get traded.
Do you think Freo are going to trade Fyfe if we offer them Kennedy? Do you think Geelong would trade Selwood?
So it's a false premise.
I actually agree, but than there's no point trading either.
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Of course there is.
You trade to improve your draft position or to acquire players with upside.
I'd take a late first-rounder for LeCras and a team already in contention might well go for that.
I agree that we'd be giving up more, but we would be more likely to get more coming the other way.
Lecras is also a year older than Kennedy, and has a history of injuries (mostly due to his glass arms). Kennedy is younger and (to my knowledge) has a better injury history, so is more attractive to other clubs. This is more likely to result in us getting a high-quality mid out of the deal, as opposed to a decent-to-good one which is what LeCras would likely net us.
I also rate LeCras at our club in terms of versatility - he is a small forward who can rotate through the midfield. Kennedy is basically a 1-position player, and whilst he plays that position very, very well we do have others that can cover his role.
That's my point, btw don't think Lecras was a rookie pick, that Breust seems like a great pick up because he plays for Hawthorn. If he played for us he wouldn't seem like such a good pick up because we don't need a player like him atm. Where as the McGovern pick up is pretty much akin to striking gold, regardless of which team he played for he wouldn't really be valued any less. I mean fletcher was a rookie pick up for us wasn't he? He was a great pick up for our team who had super quality midfield but he would have been an average pick up for Carlton at the time or Hawthorn back in then.
That's another argument, I thought we were talking about bringing in a ready made A+ player like Goddard or Dangerfield etc
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Bollocks. I'm anticipating Llane Spaanderman to be cherry ripe for us this year based on this model.
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If you think Kennedy is worth trading, tell us what you'd expect in return.
I'd suggest your objective of securing a top-drawer midfielder is still unrealistic.
For LeCras, I'd happily take a late first-rounder.
Rubbish. LeCras turns 29 this year. If the logic is that Kennedy is tradeable because he won't be around when we challenge next, then that's even more true of LeCras.
And you've just said Kennedy is worth more so I'm not sure why you're hedging with this strange line about 'versatility'.
Eric Mackenzie only plays as a key defender. Should we trade him?
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Well, what would that look like? How often do A+ midfielders switch clubs via trade?
Goddard went as a free agent and Dangerfield is a free agent this year so they're strange examples.
The point is that the premise is unrealistic, so trading LeCras actually makes more sense.
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Crowley was a national draft pick, delisted and re-rookied.
Johnson was a PSD pick as you identify.
Duffield was drafted a couple of years before Priddis, which apparently is ancient history.
That's were this discussion is coming from though, I think you've missed out on the beginning of it and coming in from a different tangent. What you're talking about is a St Kilda like complete rebuild. The discussion I chimed in from is when people were talking about bringing in A+ talent through free agency. I was just saying that we weren't going to be able to attract an A+ and if we did want to get a player of the ilk mentioned our only chance would be to trade out a similar value player. If you actually read some of my posts you would see I repeat numerous times I would prefer to go through the draft.
I didn't say Lecca was a rookie - you brought him up. He was pick 30 or something.
I disagree that Breust only looks good because he's in Hawthorn. That argument basically assumes that all of our players are better than they seem because they're playing in a shit side. If they are so good why are we shit?
It's impossible to tell anyway so it's a pointless discussion.
McGovern is gold, but he is our one hit out of 5 or 6 years of misses. Until Sinclair and Bennell are established best 22 players year round, we can't call them hits.
Will Langford was also a rookie. Would be one of our best young mids.
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Not at all.
Really? By trading LeCras?
Surely trading Kennedy would be far more drastic.
Sure. So what A+ midfielder do you imagine attracting via trade?
The point is that this kind of player rarely switches clubs, so it's not a realistic suggestion.
Alright, let's ignore Duffield (how much longer can Duffield be debated).
Replace Crowley with De Boer (who was also a rookie and has literally replaced Crowley anyway).
I am happy to include PSD picks as they are much of a muchness. Who are our recent PSD picks that have entrenched themselves in our best 22.
Oh yeah, McGinnity, of course.
Really? He's not bad but really don't think if we picked him up he would have had the career he has thus far.
No doubt Will Langford is the exact type of player we need. But saying that Hawthorn has had better rookie picks than us doesn't mean we've had poor rookie picks. I'd hazard a guess Hawthorn have had better rookie pick ups than most teams. I just think we've done alright from our rookie picks, I think our ND picks are more the worry.
Yes by trading LeCras for Draft Picks
Yes it would be more drastic to trade Kennedy out for Draft Picks
Trading for a ready made player is completely different from trading out for draft picks usually.
I'm saying that we would not pick up a ready made A+ regardless and that's why I state multiple times the draft is the best route for us.
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How does that point to a St Kilda-style rebuild?
Pretty sure a first-round draft pick would still come in handy, regardless of where we are in the cycle.
Besides, I'm not the one advocating to trade Kennedy. That would set us back much further structurally than trading LeCras.
And LeCras is unlikely to be around when we're next challenging, so why shouldn't we trade him?
Not really. It's still about assessing value.
Why won't you answer my question?
What A+ midfielder do you imagine attracting via trade?
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