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Why are you arguing with me then, my original point was that the best sides at the moment (Hawthorn, Fremantle - I assumed Sydney but I was wrong) have utilised the rookie draft the best.
I don't think we have done much worse than every other middling side, but that's not much to be proud of.
I do think we have elevated rookies way too early though which just results in less room for ND picks.
In all seriousness? I would be having a punt on Robbie Gray.
Gun player, ball magnet, kicks goals. Port dont have a plethora of highly-rated forwards, and they might cough up for Kennedy. They wont for Lecras, because they dont need him.
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So then there's no way we should be trading Kennedy.
And, in fact, trading LeCras for a first-rounder makes more sense.
Basically, you agree with me.
I thought you said we had been terrible at the rookie draft. Plus I think JMcG will go down as one of the all time great rookie pick ups
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Miguel Sanchez
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Yes basically, I was just making the point that if you're sole aim is to trade in an A+ player our best chance would be trading out a similar value player and Kennedy would be more likely to get it done than Lecras. Personally I wouldn't trade out either for draft picks or players but that's because I'm sentimental
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I don't think this discussion is constrained by details like that.
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People need to get over this hang-up on trading in an A+ player.
It's unlikely to happen.
The way footy is going contracts aren't going to be stopping players if they really want to leave
I agree but I think with Free agency coming in and players like Goddard, Franklin, Ward etc changing clubs it inspires hope no matte how unrealistic. Also with Tom Boyd, Griffen, and Hawthorn picking up that player who was like pick 2 for 19 2 years later can't help but hope you get lucky
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The point being that, if he signed a new deal a few months ago, why would he suddenly decide he 'really wants to leave'?
He could have let his contract expire and he would then have been a free agent, enabling him to basically take the biggest and best offer. Instead, he re-signed.
And I don't accept that contracts are meaningless. What may happen, though, is that clubs will do deals while players are still under contract to avoid them going for less once their deal expires a year later.
Again I'm not really arguing, I just feel that 5+ years from now afl contracts will be closer to wielding the same sort of power soccer contracts do, ie. not much
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Only if you don't understand the difference between free agency and trading.
And Ward to GWS was due to a one-off set of circumstances.
Well, O'Rourke was hardly an A-grader. He was an early draft pick who hadn't done much at GWS.
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That's a fashionable view but not necessarily realistic.
There are some huge differences between AFL and European soccer eg. size of the market, no salary cap, no need to trade.
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Clubs already think that the power in player movement has shifted too far in favour of the players. If moves like Beams and Boyd start becoming more than isolated incidents, they'll revolt.
How about NBA which has a salary cap and draft, obviously much bigger market. Afl won't ever be quite like NBA with player movement being ridiculously fluid but I think it'll be closer to that model than it is now in 5-10 years
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Why?
How do we get an A+ player then?
FA doesnt seem to work when you live out west, and you seem to be implying that we cant trade for A+ players (either because of club loyalty or for some other reason), so the only viable alternative is the draft. Drafting for a star player is a massive gamble, it takes a number of years for the players to eventually reach their full potential, and in the end if it doesnt work you can be left in the sh*tter like we have been for the last 10 years.
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Extremely unlikely. But I dont see that as a reason not to ask. Leave no stone unturned
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The power hasn't changed - the clubs just relent
Port sent a message years ago with Stevens that they won't be bent over
Both GWS and Collingwood folded. Both could have quite easily held their players to their contracts.
FWIW - I think it is great that a player has more power. They owe nothing more to a club than what their contract stipulates - because the clubs sure as hell don't show much more back. Josh Kennedy is a prime example
O'Rourke isn't A grade, far from it.
Miguel Sanchez
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The shift in power they're worried about, I think, is more related to players nominating the club they're going to and nuking the club's ability to get the best deal possible. Ie doing an Ebert. If that expands to players regularly doing that even when under contract then things will come to a head. Beams (crook dad) and Boyd (Dogs offered plenty in trade including paying a chunk of Griffen's salary) were isolated incidents with extenuating circumstances.
I agree with you on more player power being a good thing btw. When all is said and done they're employees, and there aren't too many employees who don't get to choose who they work for.
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