Hot Topic 2016 Leadership Group - Murphy retains Captaincy

Which 5 players will form our Leadership Group?

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TheSheik said:
I can understand your rationale here JaB but don't necessarily agree with it.

I've been involved with a rather large cricket club for over a decade now of which team captains & vice-captains (in consultation with the executive committee of the club) made up the leadership group. This has worked well extremely well and gave the team leaders some additional respect & responsibility in the club.

What it also allowed was for natural and/or vocal leaders within each team to not only set examples for the younger players but they also provided a level of encouragement and support for them as well. They didn't need to be appointed to an official position, it all happened organically and worked extremely well.

With the Blues, I believe the focus should be on the quality of the personnel that is of prime importance, not the quantity.

What does makes me scratch my head and question the larger group is just how did the club survive for so long and win so many premierships with just a standard three-man team (captain, vice-captain & deputy vice-captain) in the past ??

To me, appointing actual "leadership groups" is just another recent fad in the game to go with warm-ups on the ground, singing the club song in the rooms after the match in front of the TV cameras & cliche'd 'yeah-nah' answers to post-match interviews.

If the size, structure & personnel of the leadership group keeps changing from year to year then I have to seriously question its legitimacy.
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Sheiky, I've always thought cricket was the most individual of team sports.

Disclaimer: I'm a huge cricket fan, but haven't played in a team/club since I made the Year 9 2nd XII (one of the proudest moments of my sporting career :)).

To me, cricket is a series of discrete battles between a batsman/bowler and the other team. Obviously team harmony and unity is important, but I don't see team tactics being anywhere as influential. A team tactic might be to bounce out a guy susceptible to the short ball. So you place a guy at third man and have a fly slip (or whatever), for a possible top edge. Each of those guys needs to stand in the right place. And the captain tells them to be 10m inside the rope or whatever. But the third man doesn't need to know where deep square leg is standing or long off or point etc.

In this scenario, I guess the captain is vital. And perhaps the VC to back him up. But there's only 11 players on the team in a match and only 2 or 3 of them are really key to the play at any one time. And outside of the bowler/wicky or two guys batting together, you almost don't need to know what anyone else is doing.

Of course, everyone needs to be one the same page, upholding training standards, but I just see them as totally different gameplay dynamics. You don't have groups of midfielders that all need to be sticking to the same movement plan. Your don't have forwards working with the mids to work on leading and delivery. Yada yada.

For that reason, I think you need many more leaders at a footy club, as there is so much more co-operation. I'm interested whether you agree at all as you have proper cricket admin experience.
 
I think this was/is a good decision I think Murph has done a fine job considering in the most testing times at the club,I think no doubt it would've been far too early to give Crippa for e.g the captaincy right now.Maybe someone like Docherty who seems captain material just to say but overall I definitely think we have the best person in place to certainly lead us in 2016:).
 

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Peacock said:
Not sure why Gibbs is always included, not much a leader, would be better just focusing on his footy.
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That may have been true before but he's a much better leader now.

I'm somewhat more surprised that he wasn't named the VC, but it's hard to deny Simpson.
 
HARKER said:
That may have been true before but he's a much better leader now.

I'm somewhat more surprised that he wasn't named the VC, but it's hard to deny Simpson.
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Wasnt Gibbs in the leadership group in his second year at the club ?
 
AceAndy said:
Wasnt Gibbs in the leadership group in his second year at the club ?
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I thought it was his first but memory isn't what it used to be.
 
AceAndy said:
Haha could have been his first. Just remember it did seem quite early.
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Just checked. His first year in a 10 man leadership group.
 
Nice to see a couple of old heads back in the group in Simmo and Walks. It's nice to see Simmo get some recognition with the VC too.

As for the cricket v football leadership discussion, the leadership density for both is about the same. A captain and VC in a team of 12 is the same average as a leadership of 7 with a club of 40+ players.

7 is a good number, I wouldn't make the group any larger, any smaller and players start lacking representation.
 

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The Old Dark Navy's said:
Murph seems to be leaning left and the ones on the left of frame are leaning slightly left but the ones on the right are leaning their weight right. So the heights are still right. Cripps is that much taller. Remember Walker in front of him is 190cm.
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It's scary when you put it like that! Walker is 190cm and he absolutely towers him.
 
thylacine60 said:
How about the club makes a decision on the structure and number the leadership group will be and sticks to it - year after year. This floating, changeable thing saps confidence and is too arbitrary for mine.
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Why? Particularly after such a massive shift in personnel in the coaching ranks who might have different ideas to the previous coaching group.

On top of that why should there just be a magic number that is decided upon and stuck to? Horses for courses. Hawthorn might have 6 because they only need six, Collingwood might need 9.

If we have only 5 leaders worthy of being recognised and given a voice in critical decisions why would we elect 7? Likewise if we have 7 worthy of a voice would we only limit it so say, 4? "Sorry Doc, you're every bit as good as leader as Simmo but the fans wanted us to select a number a stick with it 4 years ago".

Agree that it should be kept to a relatively small number, as say having 15 in a leadership group would be stupid, but the number should reflect the needs of the team and leadership qualities of the individuals, within reason.
 
Unless people can pinpoint how having a 7 man leadership team is detrimental, I'm not sure what the fuss is about. The players decide most of it themselves.

The only thing I see is when players are in and out of the group. If they opt out because of form or injury, no issue. If they lose the faith of their teammates, that might cause some resentment. Didn't seem to affect Walker though.
 
Have to say Murphy is very good player, who through injury and lack of support never reached his potential as elite, still love watching him play.

I just don't love him as a captain though, watching and hearing him speak, just doesn't inspire me. Gibbs may have a somewhat average on field reputation but he speaks engagingly and maturely.*

*you know, for a footballer
 

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