List Mgmt. 2016 Trade/Free Agency

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With the Dee's starting to build momentum with Pettecra, trengrove basically new elite additions plus another one thanks to is giving away pick 3 is anyone else thinking the gamble for the Dee's to fail and us to pick up something better than what we gave away is looking unlikely, foolish even
 

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Iva Bigun said:
With the Dee's starting to build momentum with Pettecra, trengrove basically new elite additions plus another one thanks to is giving away pick 3 is anyone else thinking the gamble for the Dee's to fail and us to pick up something better than what we gave away is looking unlikely, foolish even
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A bit early for that. Hold fire before you start calling the club foolish. So much water to go under he bridge. We will know by the end of next season.

It will depend on;

- How Ah Chee goes (was the downgrade for him justified)
- Who we select with that pick this year (will at the very least be a top 10 pick and there is some serious talent in this year's draft)

I predict the pick to be about 6 myself. It's obvious we have invested heavily in the better draft this year.

We could end up with Pick 8-10 (ours), Pick 6-8 (Demons, they still have big holes), THREE second rounders (for academy guys) etc which could land us;

- A player in the top 10 with the Demons pick such as Scharenberg, Brodie, Simpkin etc etc

- Bowes with our first rounder

- Scheer with our second rounders combined together for points

- A later speculative pick too such as Ezekiel Frank maybe or used on Charlesworth

Which would mean we end up with 3x top 20 players out of that draft and potentially two/three top 10 players if Bowes or Scheer get bids early. If we end up playing finals and then also end up pillaging the draft like that I'll be stoked. It could all go wrong with the Demons pick but betting against the Demons would prove a pretty safe wager if you go off precedent, especially given how even the competition is now.
 
Petracca is yet to play a single game and Trengove will likely break down again given the chronic nature of his injuries too. Not sure how you use them as justification? If anything their improvement will come from guys like Hogan, Brayshaw, Viney, McDonald etc who are getting closer to or about to hit their prime.
 
LynchysMob said:
A bit early for that. Hold fire before you start calling the club foolish. So much water to go under he bridge. We will know by the end of next season.

It will depend on;

- How Ah Chee goes (was the downgrade for him justified)
- Who we select with that pick this year (will at the very least be a top 10 pick and there is some serious talent in this year's draft)

I predict the pick to be about 6 myself. It's obvious we have invested heavily in the better draft this year.

We could end up with Pick 8-10 (ours), Pick 6-8 (Demons, they still have big holes), THREE second rounders (for academy guys) etc which could land us;

- A player in the top 10 with the Demons pick such as Scharenberg, Brodie, Simpkin etc etc

- Bowes with our first rounder

- Scheer with our second rounders combined together for points

- A later speculative pick too such as Ezekiel Frank maybe or used on Charlesworth

Which would mean we end up with 3x top 20 players out of that draft and potentially two/three top 10 players if Bowes or Scheer get bids early. If we end up playing finals and then also end up pillaging the draft like that I'll be stoked. It could all go wrong with the Demons pick but betting against the Demons would prove a pretty safe wager if you go off precedent, especially given how even the competition is now.
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Depends if we felt that we needed to give Seb Tape another year on the list to see if he could improve his kicking ;)

But being serious it also depends on how Oliver goes as he looks to be a gun which we passed up for Ah Chee.

Also I think Matchu went through the points in a previous post and if Bowes went at 7 and Scheer at 15 we should still have enough points to keep both 1st round picks.

Also factor in that more likely than not we will probably lose 1 of Prestia or O'Meara and there will be another swag of picks coming back to us if that occurs, which could mean we could be looking at 3 x 1st round picks + Bowes and Scheer.
 
OB11 said:
Depends if we felt that we needed to give Seb Tape another year on the list to see if he could improve his kicking ;)

But being serious it also depends on how Oliver goes as he looks to be a gun which we passed up for Ah Chee.

Also I think Matchu went through the points in a previous post and if Bowes went at 7 and Scheer at 15 we should still have enough points to keep both 1st round picks.

Also factor in that more likely than not we will probably lose 1 of Prestia or O'Meara and there will be another swag of picks coming back to us if that occurs, which could mean we could be looking at 3 x 1st round picks + Bowes and Scheer.
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If we manage two top 10-12 picks and Bowes and Scheer on top we have absolutely killed it. That would be a phenomenal result from the 2016 draft.
 
This is on the far end of the optimism scale but imagine if we make finals and then we get two top 10 picks as well as Bowes and Scheer. That would be ridiculously good.
 
LynchysMob said:
A bit early for that. Hold fire before you start calling the club foolish. So much water to go under he bridge. We will know by the end of next season.

It will depend on;

- How Ah Chee goes (was the downgrade for him justified)
- Who we select with that pick this year (will at the very least be a top 10 pick and there is some serious talent in this year's draft)
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I was trying to say the DECISION could be be foolish not the club but I can see how it reads that way. The Harley trade statement and subsequent reaming by Freo is an example of a bad decision, I am hoping this is not another
 
Harley was a fire sale
I don't agree with it, but the Club obviously felt they just had to move him on
There's stuff we don't know I guess
Otherwise, Matera and Hallahan are palying today, and Lemmens and Cameron are running around in the NEAFL
 
SandyToes said:
Harley was a fire sale
I don't agree with it, but the Club obviously felt they just had to move him on
There's stuff we don't know I guess
Otherwise, Matera and Hallahan are palying today, and Lemmens and Cameron are running around in the NEAFL
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As soon as the H-S posted Harley on the front page we where gonna cop it from the backside dry.
 

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Ben Drever said:
Well that's a game we didn't expect Melbourne to win :cry:
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They are better than many expected, and that was my point regarding the trading of no 3 and 10 for 6 and god knows what could bite us

Edit. Adding pecterra and trengrove to that team and look out
 
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The more I think about it, the better that trade with Melbourne looks. The rumour at the time was that the Suns wanted Ah Chee and thought they could get him at 6 so they traded picks 3 & 10 for Melbourne's pick 6 and 2016 first rounder. So if Gold Coast were going to take Ah Chee regardless of whether it was 3 or 6 then they basically cancel each other out because you're still getting the same player at the end of the day. Then you have to judge what is the better pick out of a top 2015 pick 10 or an undetermined 2016 top 18 pick. Let's say (hypothetically) the Demons finish 9th in season 2016 and the Suns finish 8th. That would mean the Suns are in possession of picks 10 and 11 at the 2016 draft. Obviously pick 11 is their own and they were going to get it anyway but if you believe the Demons won't make the finals in 2016 then at worst the Suns have traded their 2015 pick 10 for a 2016 pick 10. At worst it's an equal trade and most draft analysts say the 2016 crop is more deep than 2015. There is every chance that the Demons' 2016 first rounder will be lower than 10th and the trade will look even more astute.

Those picks could also come in handy when it comes to securing academy kids like Scheer and Bowes. Either way, it's very likely that the Suns will have two top 12 picks at this year's draft with one of them potentially being as high as top 5. I don't believe the AFL has implemented a protected pick policy that will allow the Demons to get that pick back so the Suns could even go as high as pick 1 while still making the finals.
 
Matchu said:
The more I think about it, the better that trade with Melbourne looks. The rumour at the time was that the Suns wanted Ah Chee and thought they could get him at 6 so they traded picks 3 & 10 for Melbourne's pick 6 and 2016 first rounder. So if Gold Coast were going to take Ah Chee regardless of whether it was 3 or 6 then they basically cancel each other out because you're still getting the same player at the end of the day. Then you have to judge what is the better pick out of a top 2015 pick 10 or an undetermined 2016 top 18 pick. Let's say (hypothetically) the Demons finish 9th in season 2016 and the Suns finish 8th. That would mean the Suns are in possession of picks 10 and 11 at the 2016 draft. Obviously pick 11 is their own and they were going to get it anyway but if you believe the Demons won't make the finals in 2016 then at worst the Suns have traded their 2015 pick 10 for a 2016 pick 10. At worst it's an equal trade and most draft analysts say the 2016 crop is more deep than 2015. There is every chance that the Demons' 2016 first rounder will be lower than 10th and the trade will look even more astute.

Those picks could also come in handy when it comes to securing academy kids like Scheer and Bowes. Either way, it's very likely that the Suns will have two top 12 picks at this year's draft with one of them potentially being as high as top 5. I don't believe the AFL has implemented a protected pick policy that will allow the Demons to get that pick back so the Suns could even go as high as pick 1 while still making the finals.
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Even before we traded for Melbourne's pick it was rumoured we were into Ah Chee. This board went crazy at the idea of overlooking Francis/Parish/etc for a scrawny half forward from WA, wondering what the hell our list managers were trying to do.

If we wanted Ah Chee all along, which is now especially evident given we traded Bennell, then trading for Melbourne's 2016 first rounder is pure brilliance. Why waste an early pick on a player you know is going to be available later? Fantastic.
 
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Even before we traded for Melbourne's pick it was rumoured we were into Ah Chee. This board went crazy at the idea of overlooking Francis/Parish/etc for a scrawny half forward from WA, wondering what the hell our list managers were trying to do.

If we wanted Ah Chee all along, which is now especially evident given we traded Bennell, then trading for Melbourne's 2016 first rounder is pure brilliance. Why waste an early pick on a player you know is going to be available later? Fantastic.
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It was me!!!
I was calling for everyone's heads for missing out on Parish Curnow and Francis and to a extreme Oliver.

I'm still unsure we went down the right path just yet... Parish and Oliver look 20+ In and under contested touches in the David swallow mould for the next 12years.
In the top 3 of there teams best players in there first games.

As for Ah Chee I just hope he ends up the Wingard type of player 20 classy touches and a handful of goals. Destroying teams off his own boot.

Not the classy player who gets 10 touches and 1 goal a game.

If he only gives us what Martin has given us in his first few years, I feel like we've made a big mistake missing out on Oliver or Parish

I'll give him a minimum 12months before ever mentioning this again :D
 
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Ben Drever said:
It was me!!!
I was calling for everyone's heads for missing out on Parish Curnow and Francis and to a extreme Oliver.

I'm still unsure we went down the right path just yet... Parish and Oliver look 20+ In and under contested touches in the David swallow mould for the next 12years.
In the top 3 of there teams best players in there first games.

As for Ah Chee I just hope he ends up the Wingard type of player 20 classy touches and a handful of goals. Destroying teams off his own boot.

Not the classy player who gets 10 touches and 1 goal game a game.

If he only gives us what Martin has given us in his first few years, I feel like we've made a big mistake missing out on Oliver or Parish

I'll give him his minimum 12months before ever mentioning this again :D
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It was me too, but to a lesser extent.

But of the 'getable' players that were selectable before Ah Chee, all three of them (Oliver, Francis, and Parish) had at least one media report stating that they were 'go home' risks and that they made their preference known that they'd rather stay at in their home state.

Now obviously Francis didn't, but he knew all along that he would be picked well before Adelaide or Port could select him, and the other two were picked by Victorian teams.

Ah Chee was happy to move interstate and WANTED to be selected by the Suns.

I have no issue with his selection at all. At the time we really needed to bring in players who wanted to be there, not the best available at the time who may or may not go home in two years.

Whether or not he turns out to be a better player than Oliver/Parish/Francis is only a matter of time, but it was the right choice at the time imo.
 
Yeah pretty sure I was in that camp that I was dissapointed we traded that pick 3 away. We certainly did some crafty trading around picks though and should have a massive bite at 2016 at the end of the year. Also gives us currency for potentially 1x high profile trade with the amount of R1 & R2 picks we have
 
Matchu said:
The more I think about it, the better that trade with Melbourne looks. The rumour at the time was that the Suns wanted Ah Chee and thought they could get him at 6 so they traded picks 3 & 10 for Melbourne's pick 6 and 2016 first rounder. So if Gold Coast were going to take Ah Chee regardless of whether it was 3 or 6 then they basically cancel each other out because you're still getting the same player at the end of the day. Then you have to judge what is the better pick out of a top 2015 pick 10 or an undetermined 2016 top 18 pick. Let's say (hypothetically) the Demons finish 9th in season 2016 and the Suns finish 8th. That would mean the Suns are in possession of picks 10 and 11 at the 2016 draft. Obviously pick 11 is their own and they were going to get it anyway but if you believe the Demons won't make the finals in 2016 then at worst the Suns have traded their 2015 pick 10 for a 2016 pick 10. At worst it's an equal trade and most draft analysts say the 2016 crop is more deep than 2015. There is every chance that the Demons' 2016 first rounder will be lower than 10th and the trade will look even more astute.

Those picks could also come in handy when it comes to securing academy kids like Scheer and Bowes. Either way, it's very likely that the Suns will have two top 12 picks at this year's draft with one of them potentially being as high as top 5. I don't believe the AFL has implemented a protected pick policy that will allow the Demons to get that pick back so the Suns could even go as high as pick 1 while still making the finals.
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Playing devils advocate That pendulum moves both ways, what if we could of got Achee at pick 10 many thought we went early at 6, then it is a potentially huge error if Melbourne rise up the ladder as expected. 2 top 10 picks given up for a guy we could of got at 10 and no guarantee of a top 10 pick this year.
 
We bid on Jacob Hopper at 7. Did we rate him higher than Ah Chee or was it strategy? Or would it have been Sydney matches our bid for Mills at 3, GWS matches for Hopper at 4, we select Ah Chee at 5?

I guess I just don't get bidding on Hopper if Ah Chee is who we wanted.
 
I suspect Clayton pulled the trigger for a few reasons.

1. Rated Ah Chee in the same group as those available at pick 3 (Oliver, Parish, Francis) with a slight bump b/c he wanted to come to the club. After pre-season and 1 game, the club thinks Ah Chee can play but Oliver looks like a gun. The fact Oliver came so hard so late in the process might have stuffed them up. (A miss so far, since Oliver looks and sounds good).
2. Knew we would have too many picks this year after Charlie and Harley picks and could trade a couple away. (Very true).
3. Likes the look of next years draft and wants a top ranked player other than the 2 Academy kids. Knew that the Demons would be hard pressed to get much higher than 12th and we had a chance at pick 6 or better. (Still true).
4. Wants the flexibility to trade extra picks into 2017 when we have a lot of blokes coming off contract that would be question marks to stay (Matera, Shaw, Trent Mac, Schade, Mal). (Very very true).

See how it pans out. If we pick up a gun next year with the Demon pick then it is all good.
 
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