Teams 2019 My RDT Team: H&A

[Tex Danger]

The Coaches Panel is running a poll on facebook about whether or not RDT should have a full rolling lockout every week such as SC.
This was my response.

"RDT will never be able to compete with Fantasy or SC due to the incredible marketing exposure those two competitions enjoy via the AFL itself and the Herald Sun. As a result for it to survive at all, it must remain different from the others. RDT stands for Real Dream Team and the emphasis should be on the word REAL. It is the original and the BEST. Those who love RDT love it because it is what it is – it is different. If it wants to start copying the other formats, it will simply die.
If RDT wishes to grow, it must find a media outlet to promote and market it. A perfect option for it would be someone like radio station SEN in Melbourne. It is a total sports station which is AFL eccentric for 8 months of the year. It did this prior to DT becoming fantasy.
Fantasy has changed it’s rules so much over the past few years it has become so easy that a 6 year old can play it. Super Coach is great for those who don’t play sport and don’t actually have a life. Sitting by their phone all weekend looking to see if there are any late omissions or what score their emergency got in order to determine whether he comes in or not.
As a result I haven’t played fantasy for a number of years and I no longer play SC. For those who do – fine, but for God’s sake leave RDT alone. I currently run a number of cash leagues in RDT together being in a few social leagues however if a full rolling lockout comes into place I will give it away next year and I simply hate that thought".

Fair call

Id argue that Fantasy isn't necessarily "easier" though. easier to get a "complete team" yes but all teams have that advantage so its not easier to be better than the rest. And to be honest ive probably always been better at RDT and often ended up turning my fantasy side into a ghost ship (partly as my comps are in RDT so fantasy not as attached if its not going well). The unlimited trades just causes different challenges and strategies to set yourself apart.

What I really like about RDT is the predictable formula for price changes. It makes it much easier to analyse future trades. Fantasy and its hidden formula doesnt allow that (I assume they want you to rely on assistant coach but I don't like their predicted scores and like to predict my own) and that makes more guess work in trading players based on expected price changes.

 

[Tex Danger]

Thoughts on Hall v Hanners if going a mid priced in the mids

Hanners the common pick but Hall could be a good point of difference (I assume he will have much lower ownership)

Hall: $461k (approx 64 ave)
Hanners: $428k (60 ave)

Hanners a bit cheaper and you'd be hoping for 90s, meaning Hall would have to go 95+.

In the right role with freedom to win the ball, hall is the one more likely to go on a 100-105 run that generates big cash for a simple upgrade (not saying he averages that, but more likely to pump out 2-3 big scores in a 5 week period IMO).

One ill be watching, if Hanners looks free moving in PS he seems the safer pick on the surface, but Hall is bit more high risk (although without the body issues so much) high reward

 

[Bandicoot]

I currently have both of them in my squad which does worry me somewhat. Both have the potential to go 95+ but will that be good enough as they would still need to be traded?
Is Miles a better option?
JLT probably won’t tell us much in relation to Hall as these games are played with no negativity allowing Hall to play freely. Will the real stuff be the same?
????????

 

[Tex Danger]

I currently have both of them in my squad which does worry me somewhat. Both have the potential to go 95+ but will that be good enough as they would still need to be traded?
Is Miles a better option?
JLT probably won’t tell us much in relation to Hall as these games are played with no negativity allowing Hall to play freely. Will the real stuff be the same?
????????

95 is enough to be happy unless you had to overlook a rookie who goes 60-70 depending on price (ie outscores their price by 30-35 +). Thats as good cash generation and a reliable place on the ground.

To me going both in RDT limited trade format is probably too much unless your overlooking other mid pricers in other lines in which case its reasonable.

Personally I can only seeing myself trying to fit in both if 3 things happen:
- they both burn in PS games
- the other midpricers im considering like Smith, Hanley, Birchall (likely will ave 1 of the 3 in that likely order) or Greene dont show up or have continued issues with their body
- there are good rookie options fwd/back to match the mid options to make me happy to have only 2 on field mid rookies and extras in the other lines (I generally like 3 on field mid rookies, however the 3 man bench can sometimes mean that 6th rookie mid may not be much better than adding an extra one back/fwd instead)

 

[Tex Danger]

I currently have both of them in my squad which does worry me somewhat. Both have the potential to go 95+ but will that be good enough as they would still need to be traded?
Is Miles a better option?
JLT probably won’t tell us much in relation to Hall as these games are played with no negativity allowing Hall to play freely. Will the real stuff be the same?
????????

also on hall I dont think he cops a tag unless he starts to dominate games like he did in some past years. If that happens then he will suffer but will have been a great pick as long as you dont hold him too long through tags and cash him in at/near max price

(Higgins surely #1 tagging target then I guess its less clear cut but Ziebell if pushing into mids, Polec would be on equal likelihood of a tag to Hall)

 

[Bandicoot]

also on hall I dont think he cops a tag unless he starts to dominate games like he did in some past years. If that happens then he will suffer but will have been a great pick as long as you dont hold him too long through tags and cash him in at/near max price

(Higgins surely #1 tagging target then I guess its less clear cut but Ziebell if pushing into mids, Polec would be on equal likelihood of a tag to Hall)

Yeah, I certainly wouldn't expect Hall to be copping a tag.

 

[Bandicoot]

95 is enough to be happy unless you had to overlook a rookie who goes 60-70 depending on price (ie outscores their price by 30-35 +). Thats as good cash generation and a reliable place on the ground.

To me going both in RDT limited trade format is probably too much unless your overlooking other mid pricers in other lines in which case its reasonable.

Personally I can only seeing myself trying to fit in both if 3 things happen:
- they both burn in PS games
- the other midpricers im considering like Smith, Hanley, Birchall (likely will ave 1 of the 3 in that likely order) or Greene dont show up or have continued issues with their body
- there are good rookie options fwd/back to match the mid options to make me happy to have only 2 on field mid rookies and extras in the other lines (I generally like 3 on field mid rookies, however the 3 man bench can sometimes mean that 6th rookie mid may not be much better than adding an extra one back/fwd instead)

I'm already fielding 3 rookies in the midfield hence I am somewhat reluctant to go to 4. I also have 2 of the 3 defence mid pricers you mentioned. Add Kent as a mid priced forward F6 and I now have 6 mid pricers. Is it too many?

 

[Tex Danger]

I'm already fielding 3 rookies in the midfield hence I am somewhat reluctant to go to 4. I also have 2 of the 3 defence mid pricers you mentioned. Add Kent as a mid priced forward F6 and I now have 6 mid pricers. Is it too many?

not necessarily, I must say my early drafts tend to have more midpricers but as more is known about the rookies I tend to scale back but if there seems a lack of reliable rookies then more midpricers will be better. 6 is the high side but if they are correct picks then its not a bad thing.

Im currently looking at 2 of Smith, Hanley and Birchall plus Hall (Hanners the alternative), Longer (I dont love this pick but think worth the risk), Greene.

I feel like Greene won't end up in my final side due to limited prep (but if he plays 2 JLT he is in, 1 then likely) and if enough rookies present any of the others may get downgraded to a rookie (then that turning those 2 mids into Gun+rook) which could end up meaning say only Smith, Hall, Longer (which IMO is probably the ideal number of midpricers)

 

[happy_eagle]

I think the makeup of my side will be built around the following positions
D4
M6
R2
F4

I will start with 3, 5, 1, 3 premiums (including underpriced premiums)
Also 2, 2, 0, 2 rookies (6 on field).

It will depend on where the value in rookies is, and how many mid price gambles I want to take. Right now I have mid pricers in all those positions (Birchall, Hannebery, Kruezer, Greene) but that will likely change.

 

[Tex Danger]

rolling lockout confirmed, not a fan

They may want to update their slogan...

Since 2001 - with original rules and gameplay.

Then right below...

The original and best - Season 2019 is here! With our most advanced fantasy footy game ever, you're playing with the best in the business! Presented by VirtualSports, the fantasy sports pioneers & Australasia's largest and most experienced fantasy sports provider - the trustworthy keeper of your fantasy leagues since 2001. Still instantly familiar and as simple to play (but difficult to master) as ever. Now, by popular request, with full rolling lockout every round!

Id strongly argue full rolling lockout is a decent stray from original rules and gameplay

 

[Bandicoot]

rolling lockout confirmed, not a fan

They may want to update their slogan...

Since 2001 - with original rules and gameplay.

Then right below...

The original and best - Season 2019 is here! With our most advanced fantasy footy game ever, you're playing with the best in the business! Presented by VirtualSports, the fantasy sports pioneers & Australasia's largest and most experienced fantasy sports provider - the trustworthy keeper of your fantasy leagues since 2001. Still instantly familiar and as simple to play (but difficult to master) as ever. Now, by popular request, with full rolling lockout every round!

Id strongly argue full rolling lockout is a decent stray from original rules and gameplay

I am hugely against a rolling lockout and will more than likely not play again after this year and I have played dt since it's inception.
It is now too large a disadvantage to simply forget about your team structure once Friday night's game commences as we have in the past but I will continue to do.
This change all comes about due to a poll run by the coaches panel in Facebook. Probably only got a couple of hundred votes.

 

[Tex Danger]

I am hugely against a rolling lockout and will more than likely not play again after this year and I have played dt since it's inception.
It is now too large a disadvantage to simply forget about your team structure once Friday night's game commences as we have in the past but I will continue to do.
This change all comes about due to a poll run by the coaches panel in Facebook. Probably only got a couple of hundred votes.

I feel RDT is struggling, clearly the least played version, so this may be a Hail Mary to further distinguish from AF and try boost participation knowing they already had issues

 

[Pea Nut]

I feel RDT is struggling, clearly the least played version, so this may be a Hail Mary to further distinguish from AF and try boost participation knowing they already had issues

The distinction from Fantasy was that RDT was the best version and didn't cater to nuffies by giving them unlimited trades. The only reason RDT is struggling is because it receives zero promotion and is not affiliated with a big brand within the AFL world. If they did that it would be just as big.

 

[Pea Nut]

As for the rolling lockout, I'm not a huge fan at first thought but it does make it interesting for anyone who is focussed on their direct match-ups, and winning a cash league. Means you can play games with the opponent across the weekend and it's not just a monty once the ball is bounced for the first game on Thursday or Friday night.

 

[Huttabito]

I'm not a fan of rolling lockouts. Can punish those who are busy over the weekend whether it be work/sport or just a social life in general and those who sit home and watch TV all day can have the finger over the trade button if there is a late out.

It's nice knowing once the team is locked in for the round, you can walk away. With SuperCoach I feel like I'm constantly reloading twitter on Saturdays and Sundays.

 

[Bandicoot]

I feel RDT is struggling, clearly the least played version, so this may be a Hail Mary to further distinguish from AF and try boost participation knowing they already had issues

Trying to copy SC is not likely to make more people play it. As peanut says, RDT struggles for numbers because other than those who played it initially, no-one else even knows that it exists. You're not going to read anything about it in the newspapers or any AFL official site so how are new people going to know about it. The reason why many people still do play it is because it was totally different from fantasy and SC.
I no longer play SC and the main reason for that was the rolling lockout, although their scoring system was a joke too. I have no doubt that a number of people will stop playing DT next year. It won't affect their numbers this year cause people won't realise the rolling lockout is in place until they have entered their team.
I run a number of cash leagues where there is quite a bit of money involved. Because I refuse to sit by my phone all weekend, I realise I will be at a considerable disadvantage to those who do and will therefore most likely not be involved after this year.
I feel that RDT have just written their own death warrant.
For those who are not in favour, please let them know of your displeasure.

 

[happy_eagle]

I have conditioned myself over the years to have all my trades done by Friday afternoon, and just put my team into autopilot over the weekend.
Not a fan of this change

 

[SELFCONFESDAFLNERD]

My mid-priced madness team. I dont know how i got here but i did and i actually don't mind it. I like the 3 W's in defence and if fit Hanley is value. Worpel and Parfitt are my gut feel picks as i predict they will see extended midfield time for their respective clubs. Hall, Hanners, Miles & Libba will all hopefully average 25+ more than what they are priced at. Merrett and Neale will hopefully increase their averages and Macrae provides a captain option. My thinking is that Gray and Wingard will both benefit from changing circumstances at their clubs and will see a decent increase in midfield time. Predicting Heeney will go to another level too. English will hopefully provide a stepping stone to whoever emerges as the 2nd best ruck in the comp (assuming Grundy stays #1). So there it is. Opinions are of course welcome. Let me know where i have gone wrong?

 

[Pea Nut]

You're mad. Haha. All I'll say is that the problem with that many mid pricers is that quite a few of them have to form a key part of your finished side. And it's unlikely that they all fire. And if a number of them don't it really leaves you scrambling. You only get 2 trades per week.

 

[happy_eagle]

I dont mind the Tim English selection, in fact im considering it myself. Set and forget isn't worth it this year due to the unknowns with Gawn. Paying up for a Jacobs type doesn't make sense if he won't be Top 2.
I've always been a fan of starting with a low price ruck. Last year it was Lycett, year before Sandilands I think. Reckon English is good value here (Mumford would have been great if he was playing early on)

Mid price is more suited to AFL Fantasy though. You have to consider with your starting lineup in limited trade formats, how many upgrades are required to get to your settled team
From that team I can see at least 12 upgrades with a few potential either way scenarios (Gray/Wingard)

 

[Pea Nut]

Just quietly I think the ruck line is a big point of difference this year. There's a number of viable options already that I can see.

 

[happy_eagle]

Just quietly I think the ruck line is a big point of difference this year. There's a number of viable options already that I can see.

Assuming that we are all starting with Grundy ?
The goal is to have the Top 2 Ruckmen by the end of the year. I'm not confident enough in being able to pick that from the outset, so I'm happy to underspend R2 to strengthen other areas.
Kreuzer, Jacobs and Goldstein I think are awkwardly priced. They are definitely unders on what they can do, but I can't see them doing enough to be season long R2s (I wouldn't expect anything over 95 from them). Stef Martin went at 101 last year, and a lot of coaches still felt the need to upgrade him to Grundy/Gawn.

English and Longer represent interesting (and risky) value at R2.

 

[guero]

Ah shit, I’m out. I only play for overall and there’s no way I can compete with a full rolling lockout in place. I just can’t commit the time every weekend. Shame...

 

[Bandicoot]

Ah shit, I’m out. I only play for overall and there’s no way I can compete with a full rolling lockout in place. I just can’t commit the time every weekend. Shame...

You need to send this comment to the idiots who have introduced it.

 

[guero]

You need to send this comment to the idiots who have introduced it.

When I cancelled my registration I thought there’d be an option to comment so I could let them know why I was getting out but there wasn’t. Seems like they don’t want to know.