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Arsene Wenger said:
So you reckon breaking a contract with the governing body (AFL) and Collingwood would result in a better financial output on the basis that we wear prison bars all next season ?
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Yeah maybe. Lets see this contract that has been shrouded in mystery and judge. Apparently its all things to all men and the only unbreakable contract in the world so lets see the ****ing thing

The only document I can recall being provided was the one Bucky pulled up from the Collingwood president at the time giving us the go ahead
 

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Arsene Wenger said:
I am only guessing that there would be an agreement in place with Coll - prob via the AFL that we can’t wear black and white.
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Yeah exactly, its never been shown to exist

Even if an agreement exists between the clubs, if it doesnt include specific penalties, then if we break it Collingwood will need to prove losses if they want to tort us.

Good luck proving all the Port fans buying prisonbars would’ve bought Collingwood guernseys instead
 
Butters Made Me Do It said:
Neither is measuring that damage against future losses that will occur if you don’t break the contract.

Businesses break contracts all the time for this kind of reason.

When a business’s only customer base tells them they demand changes or they’ll stop buying (and have already started withdrawing supprt) what do you reckon usually happens.

Your slant on this is painted as economic realism but is in fact very much more of not upsetting the establishment
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Whilst a lot of the time you can make parallels with the everyday business world, it’s not appropriate here as the agreement is with the governing body. Breaching that would cause all sorts of dramas


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Butters Made Me Do It said:
Yeah exactly, its never been shown to exist
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That's because it doesn't.

It would have been a wink over a phonecall back in the early noughties, and our presidents don't want to ruin their relationships with fellow powerbrokers since it will impact on their ability to gain plum board positions and sweetheart deals to fund their retirement.
 
Arsene Wenger said:
Whilst a lot of the time you can make parallels with the everyday business world, it’s not appropriate here as the agreement is with the governing body. Breaching that would cause all sorts of dramas
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Ok so lets declare we’re doing it and finally get the AFL to give us a list of reasons. Show us (and the footy public) why its a bad thing for the game.

They can’t, and all this backdoor mystery contract shit exists because they know they can’t

Haysman showed us the only way to get what you want from footy admn shysters is to open the books and drag it into the public. Its long overdue.
 
Arsene Wenger said:
I am only guessing that there would be an agreement in place with Coll - prob via the AFL that we can’t wear black and white. But yes you are prob right it may not actually be with Coll


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Okay, so now we are guessing. You are a legal eagle and in your game guessing is, I thought, not on.

We don’t know if there ever was any contract with anyone, but let’s say there was an oral or moral contract with Collingwood or whoever. Any such ’contract’ - even one in writing - and any precedent it hangs its hat on has been rendered null and void by the wearing of the Prison Bars, with AFL sanction, in the 2014 Elimination Final.

That’s the starting point I would expect from any counsel acting on behalf of the BringBackTheBars lobby.
 
I actually think wearing the blue and white hoops is the perfect way to celebrate the 150th year.

The PBs shouldn't be seen as a special celebratory guernsey, they should just be our full time kit.
 
Lockhart Road said:
Okay, so now we are guessing. You are a legal eagle and in your game guessing is, I thought, not on.

We don’t know if there ever was any contract with anyone, but let’s say there was an oral or moral contract with Collingwood or whoever. Any such ’contract’ - even one in writing - and any precedent it hangs its hat on has been rendered null and void by the wearing of the Prison Bars, with AFL sanction, in the 2014 Elimination Final.

That’s the starting point I would expect from any counsel acting on behalf of the BringBackTheBars lobby.
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The 2014 elimination final, as well as the other three times we've worn it at AFL level in 2003, 2007 and 2013.

There is no agreement. There is no reason for any agreement. There is no precedent in world sport that would justify the existence of any agreement.

The only agreement in place is our club constantly agreeing to get bullied and screwed over by the big bad wolves at AFL House and Collingwood.
 
Arsene Wenger said:
Whilst a lot of the time you can make parallels with the everyday business world, it’s not appropriate here as the agreement is with the governing body. Breaching that would cause all sorts of dramas


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I think it's time to shake that box. Our current meekness isn't on brand and wasn't what got us into the AFL in the first place. Let's break some shit and see where the pieces fall. Is Kochie a disrupter or a pretender?
 

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Forzaport said:
I think it's time to shake that box. Our current meekness isn't on brand and wasn't what got us into the AFL in the first place. Let's break some **** and see where the pieces fall. Is Kochie a disrupter or a pretender?
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If he was ever a disrupter, he's now got too much to lose personally to ever shake that tree too hard.

That's why it's up to us as a supporter base to put the pressure on him and make his position completely untenable unless he meets our demands; and if he can't, then we find someone who can.

Which is basically what this campaign is doing and will continue to do until we are back in the bars.
 
Forzaport said:
I think it's time to shake that box. Our current meekness isn't on brand and wasn't what got us into the AFL in the first place. Let's break some **** and see where the pieces fall. Is Kochie a disrupter or a pretender?
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It’s a good call. I think we all know the answer though ...


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There's nothing written that we can't wear the PBs. Only a handshake agreement was made upon entry to the AFL. You can't be sanctioned over a handshake agreement.
 
Rexie J said:
Well I'll be 'goshed' Papa G. Not even the few of us who watched Fos play were around when the blue stripe stuff was a thing.

Agree with your sentiments, stupid and dumb.

I suppose some may justify it by saying it is part of Port's history.
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Then trot them out in knickerbockers.
 
Magus said:
There's nothing written that we can't wear the PBs. Only a handshake agreement was made upon entry to the AFL. You can't be sanctioned over a handshake agreement.
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Its nothing but an arm wrestle between Collingwood and Port, with the AFL having the casting vote that will go no other way than side with Collingwood.. Cardone will get to keep his job make no mistake - it was never in doubt. Watch how the club spin this with the blue and white stripe thing as if they are winners. Supporters of course will be WTF which will only highlight how disconnected the club in becoming or has become to their support base Wearing the PBs for the showdowns (only played in Adelaide) is a no brainer, the Vic's don't care about showdowns. Even then, Adelaide will probably object tontheir home game so we will most likely only wear the PB for one game : the home showdown. Port of course will not fight any objection. Watch closely the role played by Koch. It will not be an inspiring one, that I assure you.
 
Pear1870 said:
Its nothing but an arm wrestle between Collingwood and Port, with the AFL having the casting vote that will go no other way than side with Collingwood.. Cardone will get to keep his job make no mistake - it was never in doubt. Watch how the club spin this with the blue and white stripe thing as if they are winners. Supporters of course will be WTF which will only highlight how disconnected the club in becoming or has become to their support base Wearing the PBs for the showdowns (only played in Adelaide) is a no brainer, the Vic's don't care about showdowns. Even then, Adelaide will probably object tontheir home game so we will most likely only wear the PB for one game : the home showdown. Port of course will not fight any objection. Watch closely the role played by Koch. It will not be an inspiring one, that I assure you.
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It's all speculation at the moment but I think back to Carlton's celebrations a few years ago and they used a different design guernsey for each game they played throughout the season.

For us, that could mean the light blue hoops, the magenta, the prison bars (1914 thin bars style and the later incarnation) plus the designs we've had in the AFL up until now. For me, that makes perfect sense. However, only wearing the PBs once in the future and only in a Showdoen would be some weak bullshit.
 
theDuckFarmer said:
Little known fact. Port Adelaide were known as the Magentas in 1897 due to the large number of players with magenta hair.
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I don't even know what magenta is.
Does it mean curly ?
 
Lockhart Road said:
Any such ’contract’ - even one in writing - and any precedent it hangs its hat on has been rendered null and void by the wearing of the Prison Bars, with AFL sanction, in the 2014 Elimination Final.
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^^^

Yes. This. Times a million.
 

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