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List Mgmt. 2020 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals - Part 2 (The 2020 Draft)
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I don't think there is a whole lot of hype around Gulden, certainly much less than there is for Campbell.
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Our list is young. I get it. Lots of hype. There are going to be busts. Some of our young recruits are not going to make it. We are building from the bottom up. If I recall you Punts want to trade in gun players. Sydney's list with Heeney(25), Hewett(26) the rest of our better players are younger.
There are lots of posters on this site(including you) that lament our lack of trading. I don't get it. We are drafting for the next 10 years and people want short term wins and trade in guns at high salary. We have two more years of Buddy Salary. I reckon we will be 50/50 drafting trading in the next 2 years.
In two more years
1. We have a list in contention
2. We have salary cap because Buddy is gone
3. most of our players are 27 or less
I think we are in the top 4 contending.
Then we will be trading because we are in contention.
Rebuilding through the draft solely is a trap and poor policy.
Trading for depth to play reserves.. going to be perpetually rebuilding.
They are different mixes of experienced and mature but being de-listed isn't a good indication of being depth and there's been plenty of experience around the club. Giving games to Thurlow and Menzel and then de-listing them isnt moving the group forward.
True you could have drafted an 18 year old instead and delisted them after two years. Same same.
Whats that? Not sure i follow, how is it same same
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Will Gould, Elijah Taylor (now delisted), Dylan Stephens were ALL in the 2019 u18 AA team. Chad Warner wasn’t and was taken by swans at pick 39 in 2019. His highlights package was however impressive.
Both Campbell and Gulden played in the u17 futures game and Campbell was bog and Gulden was second bog in the losing side. That performance is beyond anything Warner has achieved thus far. Sorry but it is.
Although Warner is a year ahead I definitely wouldn’t say Warner is miles ahead of either Campbell nor Gulden
(The latter of whom in my opinion has been subject of misguided evaluation of ability based upon his height variously misreported anywhere between 171 cm and 175cm. He is 176cm.....well 175.8 if you want to be precise). Quite the contrary.
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An interesting read. Seems the Hawks put Campbell above Phillips in their assessments
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Bids, bluffs and frantic calls: Inside 2020's first-round draft frenzy
Draft expert Callum Twomey goes behind the strategy and failed trades that shaped the blockbuster first round in 2020
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So the Crows wanted pick three, a future first and Dylan Stephens to move up two spots in the draft.An interesting read. Seems the Hawks put Campbell above Phillips in their assessments
Bids, bluffs and frantic calls: Inside 2020's first-round draft frenzy
Draft expert Callum Twomey goes behind the strategy and failed trades that shaped the blockbuster first round in 2020
Tell 'em they're dreaming, Kinnear. Thankfully, he did.
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Fair enough norf and crows wanting all of that.
Ambit claim anyway. They obviously didn't want to trade the picks in reality unless they got silly overs so may as well be up front about it.
Ambit claim anyway. They obviously didn't want to trade the picks in reality unless they got silly overs so may as well be up front about it.
That ridiculous considering their man, Thilthorpe, would of almost certainly been there anyway.
If JUH was available at pick 1 (Dogs not able to match) then it would have been worth considering.
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Almost as bad as the proposed Daniher deal lol
I don't understand this mentality, I'm not even saying your wrong, those are some pretty good guesses, but why are we predicting who is going to be delisted?
Let them play the year, let's see how they play, and see if they can keep their AFL careers alive.
A bit presumptuous to write off a bloke when they have a year to play.
I seem to recall Gray and L Taylor playing more games early, then getting dropped later in the season (even with the injury toll). That was a combination of poor form, and the rise of a few youngsters. I think we (the club, not me) intended to have these closer to the 22, if not in it, than what turned out later in the season. Which was a worry, but hopefully won't have to worry about any more (McInerney and Stephens progress (sometimes playing around half forward), with Wicks showing some goods, Gulden coming in, Heeney being back etc).
Thurlow played a couple of good games, but obviously not enough. Clarke provides a ready-made mid/half back in case of injury/need for more mature bodies, though suspect we'd want to favour development of younger, potential guns. I'd make room in the 22 for him on occasion, if there was an explicit tagging role to be done, with the team better off with Cunningham and Hewett doing other things.
Thurlow played a couple of good games, but obviously not enough. Clarke provides a ready-made mid/half back in case of injury/need for more mature bodies, though suspect we'd want to favour development of younger, potential guns. I'd make room in the 22 for him on occasion, if there was an explicit tagging role to be done, with the team better off with Cunningham and Hewett doing other things.
Didn't realise they'd sub-contracted Dodoro.
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It's not worth trading likely 3 top 5 picks for one selection no matter who is available.
Certainly true of the media and general vibe of this year. I think I've brought it up a few times, but up until late last year, Gulden was the one projected to be higher, Campbell 2nd round at best. While Campbell's hype has risen (justified), Gulden hasn't really put a foot wrong, if anything has shown more - so I'm hoping he'll surprise a lot. Certainly a big difference between these two and say Hiscox (the elite runner referred to earlier), B Jack (who were later/rookie picks and weren't really hyped up by the wider AFL community). PS. I know there weren't many places between Hiscox and Gulden, but Gulden slid and Hiscox went earlier than he probably should have.
And real toughness instead of faux toughness
An interesting read. Seems the Hawks put Campbell above Phillips in their assessments
Bids, bluffs and frantic calls: Inside 2020's first-round draft frenzy
Draft expert Callum Twomey goes behind the strategy and failed trades that shaped the blockbuster first round in 2020
One of the best articles I've read on afl.com, provided intriguing insights that's often lacking in most articles. Then again, Twomey has a breadth of experience and knowledge in the area, so always delivers the goods.
This part had me like WOW
"The Swans' biggest concern about North's possible pick swap with Hawthorn was the Hawks moving up the board and bidding on Academy prospect Braeden Campbell and then wiping out Sydney's first pick."
This would have been an absolute disaster! Luckily North were asking a bit much, otherwise we would have been royally screwed.
Our drafting went as smoothly as it possibly could in hindsight. Plus we screwed the team that would have screwed us. Gotta be happy with that outcome!! Plus it was the hawks. Glorious!
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Just on Warner, I think he is more of a project player than people realise. I'm not writing him off at all, but he doesn't have a single standout attribute as a player. Most of the talk around him has been about his hardness at the contest, but he's not exactly unique there either - JPK, Parker, Heeney, Hewett, Rowbottom, Mills etc are all uncompromising hard nuts.
His highlights reel from his U18s year was literally just tackles and handballs, which suggests he's the big-bodied bull who can win it in the contest, but that's about it. He needs to add more strings to his bow if he wants to offer anything beyond what the rest are offering, and I'd bet both the coaching staff and Chad himself are aware of this. From what I saw of him in the reserves outings, he spent a bit more time on the outside than I was expecting, trying to run and create as opposed to just extract and accumulate. He's by no means a natural at this, as he's not overly quick or agile and could maybe do with shedding a few kgs, but he was involved in some quality run and carry and classy plays on the outside that suggest it's not beyond his reach.
I suspect this would be necessary for him to develop so that he can be an asset beyond just in contested situations. Maybe the club even knew this, and thought the fact he's tough and strong and seems to be a good kid with a good attitude would be a good enough base to develop him from.
But if I was a betting man, I'd think Gulden, who already has different strings to his bow, would be able to offer more (at this point.)
His highlights reel from his U18s year was literally just tackles and handballs, which suggests he's the big-bodied bull who can win it in the contest, but that's about it. He needs to add more strings to his bow if he wants to offer anything beyond what the rest are offering, and I'd bet both the coaching staff and Chad himself are aware of this. From what I saw of him in the reserves outings, he spent a bit more time on the outside than I was expecting, trying to run and create as opposed to just extract and accumulate. He's by no means a natural at this, as he's not overly quick or agile and could maybe do with shedding a few kgs, but he was involved in some quality run and carry and classy plays on the outside that suggest it's not beyond his reach.
I suspect this would be necessary for him to develop so that he can be an asset beyond just in contested situations. Maybe the club even knew this, and thought the fact he's tough and strong and seems to be a good kid with a good attitude would be a good enough base to develop him from.
But if I was a betting man, I'd think Gulden, who already has different strings to his bow, would be able to offer more (at this point.)
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Agree Caesar88 but not to understate his abilities. Skills can be refined but generally you either have toughness or you don’t. This kid does in spades.
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