Opinion 2020 Draft picks 1/9/22/23/40/56/66/80 (2021 + Melb 2nd, 4th, Haw 4th)

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Oct 30 – Nov 6: AFL Free Agency Period
November 4 – 12: AFL Trade Period
November 20: List Lodgment 1
November 27: List Lodgment 2
November 30: AFL Draft Nominations close
w/c December 7: NAB AFL Draft and Rookie Draft (exact date to be confirmed in due course)
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As God is my witness, finding anything useful on the AFL.com.au site is practically impossible, may whoever designed it burn in hell.
 
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Crow till I die said:


RILEY THILTHORPE

Ruckman/key-forward

West Adelaide

18, 201cm, 102kg

Plays like: Brodie Grundy/Dean Cox

2020 Champion Data Ranking Points average: 85 (League)

Draft range: 1-6

Tony Bamford says: “His athletic profile is outstanding for his height, because of his ability to run and his repeat speed. He is an absolute endurance beast. He’ll play ruck like an extra midfielder, the way (former West Coast star) Dean Cox used to play and how (Collingwood’s) Brodie Grundy does now. That’s his point of difference. I think he’s best suited as a ruckman, who can play as an extra midfielder. He still needs to learn more about forward craft, but that will come. This year he would have been our lead ruckman (in the AFL under-18 championships) and averaged 30 hit-outs, five clearances and 25 disposals.’’

We say: He’s not yet at the same level as Perth’s Logan McDonald as a forward, but, given his speed, clean hands and ability to win the ball, Thilthorpe, arguably, has a greater ceiling. And that probably outweighs the doubt around his absolute best position at this point. If the Crows don’t take him, he’s unlikely to slip much further down the order.


If he is possibly like Dean Cox - this is the kid for me at pick 1. One of the best talls in the game for a very long time Cox was
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Sounds great, but so did this guy

One of the most sought after ruckmen in this year's AFL Draft, is a strong marking big man, who can also play up forward. A member of the Victoria Country team at under-18 level this year, he was also named as first ruck in the 2004 TAC Cup team of the year. More recently, herecorded a brilliant time in the three-kilometre time-trail at the AFL Draft Camp, when he finished in the top 10 per cent, after he completed a run of 10 minutes 44 seconds. It was a terrific performance for a player of his size, particularly in the latter stages, when he pushed himself right to the finish. He is right on Hawthorn's radar and should be snapped up at seven, but he is not without a chance of being taken earlier by Richmond at number four.

Guess who? ...John Meesen
 
Crow till I die said:
KAINE BALDWIN

Key forward

Glenelg

194cm, 93kg

Ranking Points: N/A

Plays like: Tom Lynch (Crows)

Draft range: 41+

Bamford says: “He’s a superstar out of luck. He could play that high forward role that Tom Lynch played for the Crows when they were going well, that marking connection from the back third of the ground through to the front third. In his under-16 season he was the best key forward in his age group, destroying (WA’s) Denver Grainger-Barras, who is considered the best key defender in this year’s draft. He’s just had no luck, with two knee reconstructions, but everyone recognises his talent and potential. A club will need to take a punt on him but, if he gets fit, he has a huge upside.’’

We say: Despite the obvious injury concern, he appears too talented not to be on an AFL list next year. Could he Giants take a punt with their array of picks? Or will a premiership contender, with plenty of depth already, take the risk given his upside? We hope so.
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Really, REALLY hope we take a punt on this guy at 22 or 23...if he's still there.
 
Crow till I die said:
TOM POWELL

Midfielder

Sturt

18, 183cm, 74kg

Ranking Points: 163 (U18)

Plays like: Tom Mitchell, Scott Pendlebury

Draft range: 8-20

Bamford says: “He’s silky smooth and very classy. Tom has clean hands equal to (the Western Bulldogs’) Caleb Daniel at the same age with the time and vision of (Collingwood’s) Scott Pendlebury. That’s a couple of pretty good players to compare him to but Tom has some of their traits. He’s not your typical bash and crash midfielder, he uses his smarts, vision, composure and clean and quick hands to do the damage inside, as opposed to knocking blokes over. He’s silky smooth and the game slows down when he has the ball.’’

We say: Powell, who has spoken to all AFL clubs after averaging 35 disposals this year, is one of the draft pool’s best ball-winners and clearance players and his form this season is likely to see him taken within the first 20 picks on December 9.
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Jesus I'm finding it hard to get my head around the plays like comparisons put forward there. Lachie Neale as mentioned by some would seem closer to the mark to me.
Tom Mitchell and Scott Pendlebury are pretty different players in all honesty.
 

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Murray2503 said:
Hawks won't give up pick 4. They haven't used a first round for some time. Can take it to the bank that they will use pick 4. GC the only option for an upgrade.
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They might be interested in a couple with multiple firsts like Collingwood or the Giants. They need more than 1 top end kid in this draft.... Their list is dire.

Yet Clarko doesn't rate drafts.
 
Thetrader15 said:
Really, REALLY hope we take a punt on this guy at 22 or 23...if he's still there.
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Massive risk but potentially massive rewards too.

We've shown in the past that injury history doesn't really phase us in drafts
 
Mutineer said:
Jesus I'm finding it hard to get my head around the plays like comparisons put forward there. Lachie Neale as mentioned by some would seem closer to the mark to me.
Tom Mitchell and Scott Pendlebury a pretty different players in all honesty.
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Agree ..... nothing like Mitchell or Pendlebury ....everything like Neale moving thru the contest
 
Vader said:
The 200 game rule came in when Adelaide was admitted to the AFL. Adelaide agreed to it at the time, but the AFL retrospectively & unilaterally removed Escort Cup games from the count, which slashed the number of eligible fathers (e.g. excluding Ross Gibbs).

Correct, it was 200 games at one club, between 1971-1990, excluding Escort Cup and other pre-season games. It was OK to have played at multiple clubs, as long as you played 200+ for one of them.

Cornes fell into the same category as Ross Gibbs & Russell Ebert, where too many of their games were either Escort Cup, or fell outside of the 20 year window specified by the AFL.
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Vader said:
Here's his playing history, as I can figure it out. I'm still looking for a breakdown of SANFL premiership matches vs Escort Cup matches.
1967-1970 - Glenelg, but outside the AFL's 20 year window, so not eligible for inclusion in the F/S eligibility total.
1971-1978 - Glenelg, premiership matches count for eligibility, Escort Cup games do not.
1979 - North Melbourne, doesn't count towards eligibility
1980-1982 - Glenelg, premiership matches count for eligibility, Escort Cup games do not.
1983-1984 - South Adelaide, doesn't count towards eligibility.

He played a total 11x SANFL seasons within the AFL's 20 year window. He would have needed to play 18.2 eligible games per season, during this period, in order to qualify.
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Ah sorry, I mis-read your initial post re playing games for multiple clubs, which made it 13 as both South and Glenelg were in our zone.

I imagine it'll be hard to find any further breakdown.
 
Thetrader15 said:
Really, REALLY hope we take a punt on this guy at 22 or 23...if he's still there.
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Yep. If the medico's think the knees can be fully repaired and dont look too offputting then he really could be a great get. I would say if we took him that next year would be a recovery year with no risks taken and have a view of 2022 before he played in any meaningful capacity
 
hey shorty said:
Massive risk but potentially massive rewards too.

We've shown in the past that injury history doesn't really phase us in drafts
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Not that massive a risk at pick 22. At pick 9, sure, but 22 this year, I'd be willing to have a crack at it.
 
Mutineer said:
Jesus I'm finding it hard to get my head around the plays like comparisons put forward there. Lachie Neale as mentioned by some would seem closer to the mark to me.
Tom Mitchell and Scott Pendlebury are pretty different players in all honesty.
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Gets heaps of possessions = plays like Tom Mitchell, duh.
#journalism
 
Crow till I die said:


RILEY THILTHORPE

Ruckman/key-forward

West Adelaide

18, 201cm, 102kg

Plays like: Brodie Grundy/Dean Cox

2020 Champion Data Ranking Points average: 85 (League)

Draft range: 1-6

Tony Bamford says: “His athletic profile is outstanding for his height, because of his ability to run and his repeat speed. He is an absolute endurance beast. He’ll play ruck like an extra midfielder, the way (former West Coast star) Dean Cox used to play and how (Collingwood’s) Brodie Grundy does now. That’s his point of difference. I think he’s best suited as a ruckman, who can play as an extra midfielder. He still needs to learn more about forward craft, but that will come. This year he would have been our lead ruckman (in the AFL under-18 championships) and averaged 30 hit-outs, five clearances and 25 disposals.’’

We say: He’s not yet at the same level as Perth’s Logan McDonald as a forward, but, given his speed, clean hands and ability to win the ball, Thilthorpe, arguably, has a greater ceiling. And that probably outweighs the doubt around his absolute best position at this point. If the Crows don’t take him, he’s unlikely to slip much further down the order.


If he is possibly like Dean Cox - this is the kid for me at pick 1. One of the best talls in the game for a very long time Cox was
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On what planet does he play like Grundy or Cox?
Possibly the worst article ever written.
 

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FAITH said:
On what planet does he play like Grundy or Cox?
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Tony Bamford is talking it up (typical magpies player).

There is no comparisons other than the position they play, yet I find it interesting that the comparisons for Thilthorpe are always ruck players and yet he is mentioned as a key forward that can also ruck. Not too many people know what sort of player he will be, Currently I see his ruck work being good but with comparisons to Brad Otten I can only see him playing as the lumbering forward pocket or deep 1&1 KPF if he isn't seen as a O'Brien replacement.

Key Forward of Ruck? = Hard one and I keep changing opinions
 
Atypical7 said:
Tony Bamford is talking it up (typical magpies player).

There is no comparisons other than the position they play, yet I find it interesting that the comparisons for Thilthorpe are always ruck players and yet he is mentioned as a key forward that can also ruck. Not too many people know what sort of player he will be, Currently I see his ruck work being good but with comparisons to Brad Otten I can only see him playing as the lumbering forward pocket or deep 1&1 KPF if he isn't seen as a O'Brien replacement.

Key Forward of Ruck? = Hard one and I keep changing opinions
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I guess if he said the truth that he plays like kruezer most people will say, yeh don't want at pick 1.
But if he says plays like Grundy or Cox, most will say, get him now sort of thing.

Not sure who he's trying to fool, the recruiters aren't that stupid, and supporters don't have a say?
 
Atypical7 said:
Tony Bamford is talking it up (typical magpies player).

There is no comparisons other than the position they play, yet I find it interesting that the comparisons for Thilthorpe are always ruck players and yet he is mentioned as a key forward that can also ruck. Not too many people know what sort of player he will be, Currently I see his ruck work being good but with comparisons to Brad Otten I can only see him playing as the lumbering forward pocket or deep 1&1 KPF if he isn't seen as a O'Brien replacement.

Key Forward of Ruck? = Hard one and I keep changing opinions
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Where is this lumbering talk coming from?, if nothing else Riley is a very mobile and athletic unit, elite below his knees for someone his size with endurance off the charts.
 
Hearsay is, if we pick McDonald North Melbourne will select Hollands.

Curious if this happens and where Thilthorpe will slide to, I don't think this year will go down as easy as predicted.
 
Mutineer said:
Where is this lumbering talk coming from?, if nothing else Riley is a very mobile and athletic unit, elite below his knees for someone his size with endurance off the charts.
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Poor terminology from myself as I see him as a player that will pack on some size quickly after a year or two and being a 2nd choice deep option as apposed to a center half forward that will work half way up the ground.

He is very mobile and athletic but not a Nick Riewoldt or will he play that type of role of presenting as far up on the wing.
 
Atypical7 said:
Poor terminology from myself as I see him as a player that will pack on some size quickly after a year or two and being a 2nd choice deep option as apposed to a center half forward that will work half way up the ground.

He is very mobile and athletic but not a Nick Riewoldt or will he play that type of role of presenting as far up on the wing.
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You might be right but he absolutely possesses the endurance base to do it. Would almost certainly have taken out the 2km run at the SA Combine if he tested.
 
FAITH said:
On what planet does he play like Grundy or Cox?
Possibly the worst article ever written.
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you don’t think that is a fair comparison? I think he is bang on. All those guys (Kreuzer, Cox, Grundy and a bit of Ottens) do play like an extra midfielder really, massive aerobic abilities allow them to spread from the contest and rack up midfield like possessions. All could be damaging forward but their real weapons are their great skills and running power for big guys.
the main point though, once again, is that everyone who is supposedly an expert sees Tillthorpe as primarily a ruckman. Adelaide had the 5th most hit outs per game in the comp last year, but 18th in center clearances and inside fifties. It’s not a ruckman we need, it’s the next link in the chain.
 
Mr MysteryGuest said:
Grundy and Cox were/are also at hitouts, Thilthorpe is not. Even if he was, you don't take a ruckman at number 1 (unless the rest of draft is below average).
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Riley will be, and what you say is correct regarding ruckmen..... And this is a bit like those particular drafts.

I don't think we'll take him at 1, but he's ridiculously underrated on this board. If he by some miracle slipped to 9 we wouldn't be able to say his name quick enough.
 
kulak said:
Why did you change your expectations so much from two months ago?

Just the loss of Crouch and Hartigan?


Two months ago:
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Brouch is our only significant loss.

IMO we are likely to be bottom 4, but I would be surprised if we win the spoon.

We still have a core of experienced players, but will get inconsistent performances as have a big % of inexperienced players in our 22.

Should not be as bad as last season if we return fitter & have a better understanding of Nick's game plan.
 
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