2020 FA, Draft and Trade HYPOTHETICAL thread...now with new DFA speculation!

[Strapping Young Lad]

A good reference point for picks.

 

[Sturty]

Hazing is playing pranks on new players, it can go to far, but it can reveal the true character of an individual, i wouldnt be surprised if most clubs don't play pranks on first years, that's just low level hazing...

Someone pissing in your beer, what a hoot that would be.

You're an absolute clown, going through 3 threads to thumbs down all my posts because no one agrees with you about 'hazing'.

 

[HeHateMe]

What if we pay Cegs in exchange for a better trade.

 

[Billyc]

The Ceglar stuff is funny. We are in desperate need of a ruckman yet we are willing to give him away. That shows how ordinary he is. Yet people here still think another club would be interested in him. We made our bed. We will have to see out the contract and should trade in a decent ruckman while Ceglar plays VFL.

 

[HeHateMe]

The Ceglar stuff is funny. We are in desperate need of a ruckman yet we are willing to give him away. That shows how ordinary he is. Yet people here still think another club would be interested in him. We made our bed. We will have to see out the contract and should trade in a decent ruckman while Ceglar plays VFL.

You're probably right. I'm just being hopeful.

 

[rei154]

He’s a total GRUB, just look at the way he goes about it. There is a reason the only club that wanted him was Port, and that is because they love scum bags. The two that spring to mind are SPP and Hartlett.

Crazy to think he's related to Morrison- according to this board Morrison is a vanilla choir boy who nurtures baby birds back to health- beautiful juxtaposition

 

[Brant]

The Ceglar stuff is funny. We are in desperate need of a ruckman yet we are willing to give him away. That shows how ordinary he is. Yet people here still think another club would be interested in him. We made our bed. We will have to see out the contract and should trade in a decent ruckman while Ceglar plays VFL.

It depends whether another club thinks they could get greater value using him differently as well.

 

[Taskmaster]

If you want to move the ball quickly you need to be at least one of skillful or fast as a side. Hodge was very skillful and he could get it into the hands of smith and hill, who had speed and good skills. Speed isn’t all there is but it is an important part of the puzzle.

My point being without players who actually can play the game, the other blokes mentioned don't get the ball.
I do agree with you though, but we do have players with speed, Wingard, Impey etc, just need a couple of Hodge types ( yep not easy to get though)

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Footskills and speed of disposal can make up for leg speed.

Sam Mitchell was a plodder, but his ability to redirect the flow of ball movement in a split second continually opened up the ground for us and lead to possession chains and subsequent 1on1 contests in the forward half.

We need that precision ball movement from a contest, and leg speed becomes less of a necessity.

 

[Come back Cyril]

We did have Hill, Cyril, Poppy, Birchall, Smith.

And Buddy, Breust, Burgoyne who were all very quick. Gunston, Roughy, Gibbo, Suckling and Stratts we're all quick for their roles too. People underestimate how much speed and quickness we had because Mitchell, Lewis and Hodge we're slow.

 

[Gliggin]

Hawks in: Narkle, 2020 round one late pick/ early round two
Geelong in: Breust, fourth rounder
I'm not super for trading Breust- BUT if the deal is right I'd consider it, would a deal like this seem fair to people?

Disagree, but thanks for moving the thread away from Cameron! Stop it everyone.

Samesies, our midfielders used to be good at midfielding but are now fu**ing awful.

Liked for the “samesies”

 

[Mrzohs]

#1 outside midfielder.
to compliment the big 3 Tom,Jom,Worps! Great ball winners not lethal by foot or line breakers. Plus Smith / Hendo age.
#2 Spine KPP / Ruck.
Def- Need a Chip replacement compounded with Sic injury BB used short term fix. Frost needs a hand.
Ruck- Ceglar decision we either move on with him, payout, or look for a upgrade.
Fwd - 3 tall fwd on a reduced list size who are still what ifs.., we have stocks. But are crying out for Tob,Lewis,Patton to go another level.
3# Small fwd explosive x factor.

With no salary cap presurre we should be putting our hat in the ring for the best available to our needs. Z.williams,Crouch, Brown etc. i think Williams would be a great get quick,good by foot can play across the middle/wing or it allows W.Day to.

 

[CHUBBSS]

I would back us to pick mature age recruits better then what's on offer through free agency this year and would be way better for club culture

 

[Bumps"N"Grins]

No chance for Polec. Discarded by Port when they were a rabble and discarded by north when they are a rabble should be enough for everyone.

Sooked like a baby to get out of Brisbane when, wait for it?????
They were a rabble.
Doesn't seem like the kind that wants to do the hard yards when a team is rebuilding.

 

[Hawk Dork]

Something toxic going on at GWS. Too talented to be finishing 12th

We should be looking closely at that list and reaching out to any disgruntled players

Golden handcuffs and a rubber salary cap may keep them there but it doesnt make them need to perform

 

[Bumps"N"Grins]

Hazing is playing pranks on new players, it can go to far, but it can reveal the true character of an individual, i wouldnt be surprised if most clubs don't play pranks on first years, that's just low level hazing...

All those preseason weekend camps to Bonnie Doon.
My first I packed my runners and sports bag thinking it would be a trainer camp, when in fact we never left the bar of the Golden Trout.
Look some look at this kind of stuff as kind of boorish and in someway it's is, for as much as it was about working over some of the kids and new boys coming through, it also gave the new guys an insight into the older guys, who thought they alpha in their behavior but weren't leaders in anyway, who were the true leaders of clubs that would be around the edge of what was happening and ready to either stop or catch the fallout.
I do understand the eye rolling of those that have been brought up in a different time but geez not many local footy clubs could afford go through the first six games of every season soughting out, internal power plays and personal differences.
Yes crude, boorish and old school but when the right people were onboard with it the preseason bonding camp were effective.

For some like myself some life long friendships were gained that would have otherwise might not have.

 

[KermitJagger]

Nothing wrong with hazing if it weeds out the Polecs of this world.

I always thought that Michael Voss and Justin Leppitsch created a harsh environment for players to gel with each other and create club loyalty, dont know the specifics, but they didn't seem the best options for coach at Brisbane.

Oh yeah, worked wonders for Brisbane. Hazing is fantastic.

Adelaide too, those pre-season camps messing with their playing list really got them to that next level.

No surprise the successful clubs in recent years have been the ones that put time and money into the complete opposite tactics to hazing. Richmond, Hawthorn, West Coast are all on the fore-front of mindfulness, team building and togetherness as opposed to shitty power structures where the older players try to bully kids into line.

 

[WWSD]

If Patton loses weight during the off-season and stays injury free, and Lewis works on his endurance levels, you’d expect a much better functioning forward-line next year with an increased number of inside 50s per game with Mitchell, Worpel, O’Meara, Smith (if he stays), with one of Maginness, Cousins or both for that matter pushing for best 22 should see an increase in scoring.

 

[ScottMaginness]

Oh yeah, worked wonders for Brisbane. Hazing is fantastic.

Adelaide too, those pre-season camps messing with their playing list really got them to that next level.

No surprise the successful clubs in recent years have been the ones that put time and money into the complete opposite tactics to hazing. Richmond, Hawthorn, West Coast are all on the fore-front of mindfulness, team building and togetherness as opposed to shitty power structures where the older players try to bully kids into line.

With the increased professionalism in the AFL, clubs employing staff to manage player welfare and players having managers and a players association I'm surprised this would even still be a 'thing'.

Besides, with all the demands clubs put on players with regards to their behaviour, the least they could expect in return is that no one pisses in their beer.

 

[Bugs1977]

Footskills and speed of disposal can make up for leg speed.

Sam Mitchell was a plodder, but his ability to redirect the flow of ball movement in a split second continually opened up the ground for us and lead to possession chains and subsequent 1on1 contests in the forward half.

We need that precision ball movement from a contest, and leg speed becomes less of a necessity.

Plodder? Alastair Clarkson's job security says hi (jokes)

 

[Kanga Commando]

Plodder? Alastair Clarkson's job security says hi (jokes)

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I was there for that. My second best live moment i reckon.. ( other than flags )

I can still see the Richmond supporter who i was with crush in agony...

 

[Bugs1977]

He's a good user. But irrelevant. We're not getting him.

Yep this. It's also important to remember where we are list wise. You'd think that we're not going to miraculously launch ourselves into the top 8 next season by adding Merrett and even if we do we won't be doing any damage if we were to. We need to start adding quality young kids on rookie scale salaries to our young vets we already have on the list (ie Mitchell, Worpel, Sicily, Wingard, JOM). The old adage of drafting quality young kids and getting them to the 50 game mark is the way to do it but will obviously take a lot of time and patience from Clarko + the players mentioned above. I kind of feel adding a guy like Merrett who is a quality player and who would be very useful for us shouldn't be who we chase right at this point in time. The asking price would be way too high and the fact he can leave in a years time would be madness and a risk not worth taking when you can out price the * next offseason when he's a FA.

We've got the bones of a good team in that 24-26 years of age range so just need to be patient and go to the upcoming draft and then likely the 2021 and 2022 drafts too. There's no easy fix and definitely no guarantees in any method but moving forward I feel adding drafting good quality young kids on rookie scale wages is way to go. Then once these kids we draft start to blossom once they approach the 50 game mark then and only then do you look to add a couple of gun FA and top up disgruntled / unwanted veterans (ie Gibson, Hale, Lake, Guerra etc).

We've climbed this mountain before and have been knocked back down to the bottom… can Clarko / Wrigthy + others find their way back to the top again? Time will tell.

 

[Beachy]

I think the odd season played a huge part in how the team played. Burgs acknowledges that hub life just did not agree. We have a number of kids that found there feet. Scrim, day, cousins and saw Moore, CJ, greaves and Finn have something that appeals to future style which was speed on the ball. We were unsettled all year but I think we were always a midfield rotation down. A player like Merrett into the hawks system would be huge. Tom Mitchell took most of the year to find his rhythm and in the last 4 games he was back to influencing games. Foot skills in the middle of the ground are a must so either draft a mid who kicks super well or just a pure footballer To be in the right spot at the right time. Downie looks to be a quality ball user so another would be great. I honestly don’t think we were that far off. Just missing a couple of pieces of the puzzle which is always super frustrating


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[WWSD]

If an opposition team came forward and offered a 2nd round pick for O’Brien, Wright should take the pick and run!

 

[Blackhawk42]

If Patton loses weight during the off-season and stays injury free, and Lewis works on his endurance levels, you’d expect a much better functioning forward-line next year with an increased number of inside 50s per game with Mitchell, Worpel, O’Meara, Smith (if he stays), with one of Maginness, Cousins or both for that matter pushing for best 22 should see an increase in scoring.

You're forgetting our new link-up king. All hail.





In all seriousness, he could be a goal a game player over 22 rounds if he has a big pre-season. I firmly believe that.

 

[Bugs1977]

I think the odd season played a huge part in how the team played. Burgs acknowledges that hub life just did not agree. We have a number of kids that found there feet. Scrim, day, cousins and saw Moore, CJ, greaves and Finn have something that appeals to future style which was speed on the ball. We were unsettled all year but I think we were always a midfield rotation down. A player like Merrett into the hawks system would be huge. Tom Mitchell took most of the year to find his rhythm and in the last 4 games he was back to influencing games. Foot skills in the middle of the ground are a must so either draft a mid who kicks super well or just a pure footballer To be in the right spot at the right time. Downie looks to be a quality ball user so another would be great. I honestly don’t think we were that far off. Just missing a couple of pieces of the puzzle which is always super frustrating


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Disagree. We are very far away. As constructed and maybe with a bit of luck along with a favourable draw we could maybe squeak into the 8 but I think it’s unlikely. The sooner the some of here realise we have a couple of hard years ahead the easier it will be. I’m not scared of these hard times to come so long as the club are smart with their list decisions. By this I mean not trading in stop gap solutions and instead investing / developing our youth.