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A good reference point for picks.
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2020 FA, Draft and Trade HYPOTHETICAL thread...now with new DFA speculation!
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No - Tom Morris on Fox Footy said it would be a good fit but they would not have the salary cap - that kind of stuff belongs in the hypothetical section
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They’d need to re-sign DeGoey and Moore first
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Well you have made such a point that hypotheticals are meaningless thought I'd share my dream hypothetical.
Just in case anyone was wondering we use the picks on 2 players I've never heard of couldn't understand what was being said other then they were predicted to go in the 2nd and 4th round.
Woke up in a cold sweat.
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Nah, that bit sounds legit!
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Would trade Gunston for Moore though
Would be an interesting swap. Pies would want to truly believe they were in Premiership contention in the next couple of years.
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This thread never fails to deliver some batshit crazy posts.
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And they have a top 10 NGA so may be looking to trade their pick.
There is no doubt that conspiracy theories on rigged draws would abound every year. Some people are always going to whine about being hard done by. But should decisions be made based on the the feelings of the whinges? Should we pander to the lowest base to the detriment of the quality of competition.Being a NY Knicks fan how do you feel about getting f**ed over by 2 draft lotteries per year Bumps"N"Grins
Oh an FWIW in regards to wanting a draft lottery for the AFL I ask you to google search NBA draft letter conspiracy. You could mail it it right now that if the Suns or Giants just miss the top 8 and they have a 1 in 55 chance of winning it then it would miraculously happen and the poor old Abasi or one of our other mods would then have to open up a conspiracy thread.
If Clarko goes full youth this week will he be called out for tanking, even though every commentator is calling for the Hawks to try their youngsters.
I say let the whingers cry into their mummies laps while the AFL improves the system for the Betterment of the game.
When a team gets unlucky in the draw, they may end up with a Will Day instead of a Fisher McAcey. And I know which player I‘d prefer.
If talk of tanking is replaced by lottery conspiracy theories, that would be a fair trade. But if fans always want their club to win, that can only be good for the game.
I don’t know how I feel about this trade but Gunner and Breust to the GCS for picks 5 (to become 6) and pick 19 (assistance pick). This seems an equitable trade In concept.
IMO the GCS would do this in a heartbeat.
That would give the Hawks picks 3 (to become 4), 5 (to become 6), 19, 21 and hopefully Connor Downie with points.
This could give us:
4 -> Granger-Barass = an intercepting KPB
6 -> Tanner Braun = initially a dynamic mid sized fwd who may become a mid.
19 -> Nik Cox = KPB or KPF
21 -> Bailey Laurie = small FWD and part time mid.
25 -> Connor Downie = a hard working wing with great hands and vision.
In concept this will set us up for 2023 onwards.
But I am not sure about this years elite players. Breust and Gunston are known qualities. To trade for a Braun and Cox... hmmm.
I like what I see of Braun but he apparently has a small tank. Surely much worse now.
IMO the GCS would do this in a heartbeat.
That would give the Hawks picks 3 (to become 4), 5 (to become 6), 19, 21 and hopefully Connor Downie with points.
This could give us:
4 -> Granger-Barass = an intercepting KPB
6 -> Tanner Braun = initially a dynamic mid sized fwd who may become a mid.
19 -> Nik Cox = KPB or KPF
21 -> Bailey Laurie = small FWD and part time mid.
25 -> Connor Downie = a hard working wing with great hands and vision.
In concept this will set us up for 2023 onwards.
But I am not sure about this years elite players. Breust and Gunston are known qualities. To trade for a Braun and Cox... hmmm.
I like what I see of Braun but he apparently has a small tank. Surely much worse now.
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That’s the thing though with the lottery system teams in the NBA and other sports are more likely to tank to get better odds (percentage chance). There would be more incentive for a team that cannot make the top 8 to tank rather than win the last 2-3 games. All that really happens is the goal posts are being moved as teams always try to make the system work for themselves.
There are 18 teams in the AFL with 18 on the field and 4 on the bench players per team and that makes our game unique.
I know little about the NBA but I believe there are 2 divisions = east and west coast...
f-ck you are going to make me learn something.... so be it.
Dang,.. there are 30 NBA teams dawg...haha.. did I say that well? Mixed cultural References are fun.
But there are just 5 players on the court at any one time in basketball. Not sure about how many on the bench.
Take the best player out of a basketball team and I assume they lose.
Take the best player in the comp out of Hawthorn (Buddy) in 2015 and we won 3 flags.
Let’s go further... Take the best 5 players in the AFL with 13 VFL players to back them up against a full AFL list and the 5 best players will lose... badly.
My point is that the lottery system for basketball, where there are just 5 players on the court, is not equivalent to a lottery system for an 18 man, 18 team comp. None of the ways that it fails in the USA are relevant to the AFL.
The lottery would work much better for our game as we have more players on the field who can affect the result. Our game is much more team based.
Being silly fun again:
In Hawthorn‘s Grand Final wins we often had an extra man. Against Fremantle: Ballantine was our extra man (was there ever a worse grand final performance) and against West Coast, Daring lived up to his name (for the Hawks). And in 2008 we had 7 minute Stewey: surely he started out as 2 men, slimmed down ... and then became 2 men on the field for us.
Back to topic:
None of the issues that the NBA has with a lottery are relevant to the AFL.
It would work for us.
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geeez, our fwd line would be absolutely limp without Gunner and Punky
Everything you say is wrong starting off with will silly cultural reference. I've followed the NBA since the 80s and the amount of teams or players has got nothing to do with what I am saying. What I was trying to explain to you is that without a lottery but having a draft order that is determined by ladder finishing positions like we do with the AFL right now has its tanking issues. Then if you do incorporate a lottery system with the worst team getting the best odds and the second worse with second best odds ect what you will actually see is teams that are 9th, 10th and 11th on the ladder start to tank with 3-4 games to go at the end of the year to improve there odds (percentage chance) to get a top 5 pick.
For example just imagine there was 3-4 games to go in the season right now and there was a lottery system in place. You'd have the majority of teams in the red border (see below) thinking it might be in our best interests not to win anymore games from here on out so we have a better percentage chance to get the next Matt Rowell.
To stop teams from tanking to get the highest percentage odds the NBA recently had to change the odds where the bottom 4-5 teams all got the same odds at getting a top 5 pick. It still isn't perfect because now you have the teams that are just a little better than those try to tank to move into the bottom 4-5 rung which is what I meant by the goal post get moved to where the tanking occurs. You ask any fan around here that loves the NBA as equally as the AFL about whether a draft system really changes anything and I think you will be surprised. If they did bring a lottery it would bring a whole new level of excitement which is great in hindsight but you'll actually have more fans wanting there teams to tank which is what you don't really want to see.
FWIW I'm not against the idea of a lottery but just really wanted to let you know that it actually enhances teams tanking.
Due to such a strange season I have no inclination on where the list is headed or how the Hawks proceed other than a significant clean out with retirements, FA and delisting players.
I feel that the Hawks are comfortable with the midfield and the youth coming through and potentially drafting another top line midfield kid... maybe 2
KPP is a thin and we need some outside run and carry.
I’m only going to do 1 hypo this year so, which for a few here would probably be welcome as I really do like these threads and peoples different perspectives on possible player inclusions and how that helps Hawthorn move forward. It may as well be a big one.
Potentially best 22 in 2021
Frost Hartley Greaves
Day TOB Witherden
Scully Wingard Scrimshaw
Breust Lewis Mitchell
Hardwick Patton Gunston
McEvoy Worpell O’meara
Coleman-Jones Cousins Impey Hollands/Bruahn
Brisbane and Richmond are ripe for the picking....
Trade 1
Hawks future second to Brisbane for Witherden and future 4th
The guys is a beautiful kick and could come and fill Sicily’s role. Even though Scrimshaw can do this I feel that Scrim will be moved up the ground. Witherden is the type of player that we are screaming out for to deliver inside 50 and provide some run off half back as well as getting intercept marks. Paired with Day on the flanks is a great look.
Birchall is keeping him out of the lions side. The kid can play and is about to break out. Get him now.
Trade 2
Hawks Pick 21 and a future 3rd to Richmond
Richmond Pick 32 and Callum Coleman-Jones to Hawthorn
Hawthorn need a back up forward/Ruckman. The guy is a big unit and applies his forward craft pretty well. Should fill out nicely over the next couple of years to be a hulking kid and can should be considered Hale mk2 with the great 208cm white hope in Reeves a chance to nab the number 1 mantle as early as next season with a bit of luck. That’s the ruck combo set for 5 years. McEvoy keeps on keeping on, absolute warrior and leader to make the Reeves transition easier.
CCJ is an insurance policy structurally if Patton goes down as well.
Richmond get a pick upgrade and some collateral for 2021
Trade 3
Brisbane pick 41 and Sam Skinner to Hawktborn for Cegs and Pick 65
Brisbane need a ruck and we need to move on from Cegs. Horrible deal to sign him up for 3 years but now it’s trade currency for a need to bank some points for Downie or trade away for next year. I think here will be gems around pick 41 to be found. Skinner is someone that I have kept an eye on for years and think that at the very least he is quality depth/starter putting pressure on all KPPs on the list both forward and back.
He has injury history but his upside more than outweighs the risk. Still young and rated highly at the lions on and off the field, just can’t crack the team.
Trade 4
This one will depend on other moving parts, deals, FA compo. Not a must have at all but I think that there is an opportunity there if we can grab him due to his clean skills with the ball and explosiveness from a stoppage that we are desperate for.
Adelaide receive a 3-5rd pick either this year or next however that works and Hawks get Jordan Gallucci.
Has not really performed at Adelaide. Possibly a chance to be delisted really and coming off a ruptured achilles without a contract doesn’t look that great. In saying that, I’m sure Adelaide want to keep their top pick from the 2016 Draft if only on a reduced contract. This is where the value will be determined. We need to think Scrimshaw with this trade.
Plenty of upside as an outside mid who can roll forward. Something that we are lacking. Young enough to grow with the changes at Hawthorn as well as shedding what would have been a terrible time at the Crows with all the off field bs that they went through. Would need to nominate Hawthorn I would suspect to get this through.
I feel Smith will go.
I suspect that 1 of our big 2 will be traded, Gunners or Breust to get another first Rd pick but happy for them to stay.
There should and will be a number of retirements and delisting with the Captain to be the first in the list.
I also feel Chip will call it a day.
FA hasn’t been kind fingers crossed it won’t again.... I hope there is a Big offer going to go to Jezza Cameron. Anything to not see him at the Bombers or the Cats.
So with all that being out there I guess I can put a # out there for shits and giggles and claim that #witherdenisthetarget
I feel that the Hawks are comfortable with the midfield and the youth coming through and potentially drafting another top line midfield kid... maybe 2
KPP is a thin and we need some outside run and carry.
I’m only going to do 1 hypo this year so, which for a few here would probably be welcome as I really do like these threads and peoples different perspectives on possible player inclusions and how that helps Hawthorn move forward. It may as well be a big one.
Potentially best 22 in 2021
Frost Hartley Greaves
Day TOB Witherden
Scully Wingard Scrimshaw
Breust Lewis Mitchell
Hardwick Patton Gunston
McEvoy Worpell O’meara
Coleman-Jones Cousins Impey Hollands/Bruahn
Brisbane and Richmond are ripe for the picking....
Trade 1
Hawks future second to Brisbane for Witherden and future 4th
The guys is a beautiful kick and could come and fill Sicily’s role. Even though Scrimshaw can do this I feel that Scrim will be moved up the ground. Witherden is the type of player that we are screaming out for to deliver inside 50 and provide some run off half back as well as getting intercept marks. Paired with Day on the flanks is a great look.
Birchall is keeping him out of the lions side. The kid can play and is about to break out. Get him now.
Trade 2
Hawks Pick 21 and a future 3rd to Richmond
Richmond Pick 32 and Callum Coleman-Jones to Hawthorn
Hawthorn need a back up forward/Ruckman. The guy is a big unit and applies his forward craft pretty well. Should fill out nicely over the next couple of years to be a hulking kid and can should be considered Hale mk2 with the great 208cm white hope in Reeves a chance to nab the number 1 mantle as early as next season with a bit of luck. That’s the ruck combo set for 5 years. McEvoy keeps on keeping on, absolute warrior and leader to make the Reeves transition easier.
CCJ is an insurance policy structurally if Patton goes down as well.
Richmond get a pick upgrade and some collateral for 2021
Trade 3
Brisbane pick 41 and Sam Skinner to Hawktborn for Cegs and Pick 65
Brisbane need a ruck and we need to move on from Cegs. Horrible deal to sign him up for 3 years but now it’s trade currency for a need to bank some points for Downie or trade away for next year. I think here will be gems around pick 41 to be found. Skinner is someone that I have kept an eye on for years and think that at the very least he is quality depth/starter putting pressure on all KPPs on the list both forward and back.
He has injury history but his upside more than outweighs the risk. Still young and rated highly at the lions on and off the field, just can’t crack the team.
Trade 4
This one will depend on other moving parts, deals, FA compo. Not a must have at all but I think that there is an opportunity there if we can grab him due to his clean skills with the ball and explosiveness from a stoppage that we are desperate for.
Adelaide receive a 3-5rd pick either this year or next however that works and Hawks get Jordan Gallucci.
Has not really performed at Adelaide. Possibly a chance to be delisted really and coming off a ruptured achilles without a contract doesn’t look that great. In saying that, I’m sure Adelaide want to keep their top pick from the 2016 Draft if only on a reduced contract. This is where the value will be determined. We need to think Scrimshaw with this trade.
Plenty of upside as an outside mid who can roll forward. Something that we are lacking. Young enough to grow with the changes at Hawthorn as well as shedding what would have been a terrible time at the Crows with all the off field bs that they went through. Would need to nominate Hawthorn I would suspect to get this through.
I feel Smith will go.
I suspect that 1 of our big 2 will be traded, Gunners or Breust to get another first Rd pick but happy for them to stay.
There should and will be a number of retirements and delisting with the Captain to be the first in the list.
I also feel Chip will call it a day.
FA hasn’t been kind fingers crossed it won’t again.... I hope there is a Big offer going to go to Jezza Cameron. Anything to not see him at the Bombers or the Cats.
So with all that being out there I guess I can put a # out there for shits and giggles and claim that #witherdenisthetarget
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TRADE WORPEL!!! Get a top 10 pick for him and hope he turns out as good as him!
TRADE WORPEL!!! Get a top 10 pick for him and hope he turns out as good as him!
Gallucci is definitely a player type that suits our list needs, whether he can put it together remains to be seen. Certainly someone I’d be keen on.
same with Witherden but I don’t think Brisbane will let him go lightly.
The trade deal seems fair but the possible draft picks do nothing to bolster our crap midfield.
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Trade Cegs for a bag of chips or just pay out his contract and retire him. We can’t have 2 ruckmen who can’t play anywhere else competing for one spot. Clearly Clarko is incapable of dropping one of them. And Pick up a project ruck who isn’t the CEOs son or an over 30 journeyman. Gee, the list had issues. Is there any other team in worse shape ruckwise? North perhaps.
Whilst I’d love to have the best ruckman in the comp I think you can survive without one. We’ve won flags with Renouf/Campbell/Bailey.
Have a look at Melbourne, having Max Gawn means nothing if you can’t fill the places around him or other areas of the ground.
Focus should be on what’s around them in my opinion.
We need some mids with pace, height, and the ability to kick the ball over 40m to a bloke in a Hawthorn jumper. That’s what’s missing here.
Agree with it not being Ceglar though, you’re spot on there.
Given BB might only have 1 more year we’re sort of stuck with cegs. Maybe in 12 months reeves is ready? Or we can find one in list cuts? We really don’t have currency to trade one in given other pressing list needs.
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Given that we had to protect him this year, I reckon BB has -1 more year left. You're right about us needing Ceglar though.
The scary thing is if we will persist with it (BB as KPD) now that Sicily is out for 12 months.
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