List Mgmt. 2020 List Management, Free Agency & Trade thread

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This Part 2 Continued from Part 1: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2020-list-management-free-agency-trade-thread.1241035/ What type of players does our list need? Pace, Skill, Class and and goal threat. A winger, forward flank and forward pocket are the 3 positions that we need, plus...

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[heypenny]

Fortunately Hogan's still contracted. I wouldn't put him on the trade table but be open-minded to offers (that are worthwhile). If not, hold him to his contract and hopefully it's the kick up the arse he needs. He can get his first full pre-season in a while and win respect back in 2021. Things can turn around quickly. Just look at Walters and Dusty.

 

[Square Peg]

The dude works half as hard as me on a bad day and is probably on 10 times the coin all while whinging about it. fu** off.

Where is he whinging about it?

 

[Purple Jesus]

Starting to think Hogan may be moved on. What can we turn it into? Pity about that whole pick 6 thing he cost us.

 

[Prochard123]

Hi all, talk on our board is that Mihocek will be taking a 4 year deal from Freo on $500,000 - $650,000 a year.

What kind of trade are we looking at (and yes, a trade will need to take place)?

 

[Joao]

Hi all, talk on our board is that Mihocek will be taking a 4 year deal from Freo on $500,000 - $650,000 a year.

What kind of trade are we looking at (and yes, a trade will need to take place)?

You can have Hogan probably.

Think you would get our current 2nd pretty comfortably at that price.

 

[Prochard123]

You can have Hogan probably.

Think you would get our current 2nd pretty comfortably at that price.

We actually have quite a few picks at your 2nd, so not sure how much that would appeal, but then again I'm also not sure if we can do much better unless there are multiple suitors.

While this may not sound that attractive to you, what about:

Pick 14 + Mihocek for Pick 10 + pick 28?

So essentially what you offered but we get a 4 pick upgrade to get ahead of a possible McInnes bid. Both 10 and 14 would probably be pushed towards end of 1st round anyways with how Daniher/Crouch/Ugle-Hagan/Campbell/McInnes/Jones/Davies are shaping the 1st round (now that I have listed them, wow this draft is compromised). But anyways, many recruiters seem to think there is a clear top 5-7 in this draft, and a huge seperation with the rest given academy players.

 

[raffrox]

You can have Hogan probably.

Think you would get our current 2nd pretty comfortably at that price.

About right with a later pick coming back our way I reckon.

 

[Superkoops]

I’m not sure there will be any takers so just get used to the fact he is around for another 12-months and hopefully he can come good being the last year of his contract.

Im pretty sure that Terry Dobson has represented Freo players at those AFL tribunal hearings. He clearly didn’t have much to go with so tried a left field approach that still didn’t work to try and get a spent conviction. Whatever way is is spun the comments about the rugby state stuff are quite strange.

 

[Joao]

We actually have quite a few picks at your 2nd, so not sure how much that would appeal, but then again I'm also not sure if we can do much better unless there are multiple suitors.

While this may not sound that attractive to you, what about:

Pick 14 + Mihocek for Pick 10 + pick 28?

So essentially what you offered but we get a 4 pick upgrade to get ahead of a possible McInnes bid. Both 10 and 14 would probably be pushed towards end of 1st round anyways with how Daniher/Crouch/Ugle-Hagan/Campbell/McInnes/Jones/Davies are shaping the 1st round (now that I have listed them, wow this draft is compromised). But anyways, many recruiters seem to think there is a clear top 5-7 in this draft, and a huge seperation with the rest given academy players.

I'd hope we wouldn't entertain anything involving our first. Maybe if he was 25 instead of 27 you might get that price. I think something based in the 2nd round is as good as you will do.

 

[Prochard123]

I'd hope we wouldn't entertain anything involving our first. Maybe if he was 25 instead of 27 you might get that price. I think something based in the 2nd round is as good as you will do.

I mean if he was 25 instead of 27 we probably would've just matched your contract instead of potentially letting him go, he was our #1 scorer this season after all.

 

[heypenny]

I mean if he was 25 instead of 27 we probably would've just matched your contract instead of potentially letting him go, he was our #1 scorer this season after all.

Do you have much leverage though? He's out of contract and you can't fit him into your cap. I think a second-round pick is sufficient considering his age and the circumstances.

 

[Joao]

I mean if he was 25 instead of 27 we probably would've just matched your contract instead of potentially letting him go, he was our #1 scorer this season after all.

Not sure that is relevant to the trade price.

If it makes you feel better, I don't do the trades at Freo so maybe your blokes can convince ours he is somehow worth involving a first.

 

[Superkoops]

I'd hope we wouldn't entertain anything involving our first. Maybe if he was 25 instead of 27 you might get that price. I think something based in the 2nd round is as good as you will do.

Maybe a three way trade with another club involving Hogan, a reasonable second round pick and Mihocek. Later picks to balance the ledger (I’d hope for us given Hogan’s talent).

 

[Prochard123]

Do you have much leverage though? He's out of contract and you can't fit him into your cap. I think a second-round pick is sufficient considering his age and the circumstances.

I understand why you might think this, and fair enough to people not familiar to our list.

But you might not know that we have actually gone for Charlie Dixon, Josh Kennedy and Jack Gunston in this trade period. It's more of a matter of us not repeating the same mistakes as paying Phillips (550k), Cox (550k), Mayne etc... We have also just had 3 senior players retire (Dunn, Varcoe, Reid), and it is expected that this is just the start, and that around 5-7 more will retire/be delisted. So even if we are stuck with the Beams/Langdon contracts without resolution, we can still probably your offer which is essentially just 200k more than ours.

But hey, then again, if you played hardball, I can see us taking pick 28 if we had no other choice. Although I think we have had a decent trade relationship in recent times (Aish), so maybe we can meet somewhere in the middle (hence the 4 spot upgrade)

 

[Paracleet]

Maybe a three way trade with another club involving Hogan, a reasonable second round pick and Mihocek. Later picks to balance the ledger (I’d hope for us given Hogan’s talent).

Trading Hogan now would be illogical unless we're getting value out of it above his current low stocks.

There are only two outcomes at this point. He is a bust or he comes good. If we ship him now he will always be a busy for us. Hold him a year and the worst that can happen is he remains a bust.

 

[Alfonz]

I just don't get it with Mihocek. He is an OK player who has the odd purple patch in games, but 4 years at 500-600k seems huge overs (not to mention weakening our draft position). I guess J Lo knows him well and if he thinks he'd go well with Tabs and Lobb, then so be it. But Hogan could be a far superior player and I would rather roll the dice with Jesse getting his act together.

 

[Joao]

I understand why you might think this, and fair enough to people not familiar to our list.

But you might not know that we have actually gone for Charlie Dixon, Josh Kennedy and Jack Gunston in this trade period. It's more of a matter of us not repeating the same mistakes as paying Phillips (550k), Cox (550k), Mayne etc... We have also just had 3 senior players retire (Dunn, Varcoe, Reid), and it is expected that this is just the start, and that around 5-7 more will retire/be delisted. So even if we are stuck with the Beams/Langdon contracts without resolution, we can still probably your offer which is essentially just 200k more than ours.

But hey, then again, if you played hardball, I can see us taking pick 28 if we had no other choice. Although I think we have had a decent trade relationship in recent times (Aish), so maybe we can meet somewhere in the middle (hence the 4 spot upgrade)

Link to information about your cap? I'm sorry but I don't remotely believe that anybody on BF has any idea about any team's cap.

I also don't think its relevant, because whether you want to keep him or not, he isn't worth a first rounder given his age and output, even a downgrade. I suspect that even if it is pick 28, you will probably end up sending a later pick back with it rather than us including a downgrade. Bruce and Keath are ballpark for Mihocek.

I reckon you'll get rid of Phillips and meet Mihocek in the middle, fwiw.

 

[nurries]

I just don't get it with Mihocek. He is an OK player who has the odd purple patch in games, but 4 years at 500-600k seems huge overs (not to mention weakening our draft position). I guess J Lo knows him well and if he thinks he'd go well with Tabs and Lobb, then so be it. But Hogan could be a far superior player and I would rather roll the dice with Jesse getting his act together.

Averages 1.6 goals over 58 games. I think Walters averages 1.7 over his career.

 

[heypenny]

I understand why you might think this, and fair enough to people not familiar to our list.

But you might not know that we have actually gone for Charlie Dixon, Josh Kennedy and Jack Gunston in this trade period. It's more of a matter of us not repeating the same mistakes as paying Phillips (550k), Cox (550k), Mayne etc... We have also just had 3 senior players retire (Dunn, Varcoe, Reid), and it is expected that this is just the start, and that around 5-7 more will retire/be delisted. So even if we are stuck with the Beams/Langdon contracts without resolution, we can still probably your offer which is essentially just 200k more than ours.

Yeah, of course we don't know the ins and outs of the Collingwood cap. You do realise you're on a Fremantle board?

Firstly, this seems like a lot of speculation and is not our first priority.

Secondly, if true, it just seems very odd for a 27 year old (who's Victorian) to want to move to the other side of Australia. Considering he's at one of the most powerful clubs in Melbourne who are a premiership contender and they gave him his first opportunity. If you have room in your cap (like you say), just pay him. I'm sure he'll want to stay... If you can't pay him, he's out of contract and he's entitled to move. This means you have little leverage.

 

[Joao]

Averages 1.6 goals over 58 games. I think Walters averages 1.7 over his career.

Yeah I actually think he'd do really well considering he'll have Tabs and Lobb in support instead of Cox and nobody/Cameron at the Pies. Whilst Cox has a blinder once every two years, he is largely ineffective the rest of the time.

 

[Bastyy]

Mihochek is a free agent is he not?

 

[Van_Dyke]

Mihochek is a free agent is he not?

doubt he would, was drafted in the rookie draft as a mature ager in 2017, don't think he qualifies as a fa?

 

[Joao]

Mihochek is a free agent is he not?

doubt he would, was drafted in the rookie draft as a mature ager in 2017, don't think he qualifies as a fa?

We'd have to trade.

 

[Bastyy]

doubt he would, was drafted in the rookie draft as a mature ager in 2017, don't think he qualifies as a fa?

I remember seeing a few people discuss him being a free agent due to the fact he's a rookie and it's some new rule the AFL brought in a year or so back. I may be wrong however

 

[Van_Dyke]

I remember seeing a few people discuss him being a free agent due to the fact he's a rookie and it's some new rule the AFL brought in a year or so back. I may be wrong however

wasn't on the list put out by the afl

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