With us now having our list at capacity is there a provision in the rules to allow us to take someone in the mid season draft if someone goes on the long term injury list or is who we have now it for 2021?
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If a player is put on the LTI for the whole season, that opens a rookie spot for the mid season draft.
So we could theoretically put Connor McFadyen on the LTI for the whole season next year, in time for the mid season draft.
But I wouldn’t do that until we had to, in case another player goes down for the season, and McFadyen might be back by July or August next year.
*cough, cough* Blicavs *cough, cough*
Ely and Joyce aren't getting a game because there's a logjam ahead of them in the midfield. It's entirely possible they'll get games this year if there are a few injuries or they allow consistent good form in the VFL. Four years from now, things will look very different. Lyons will be on his last legs, Neale won't be far behind, and who knows how many of the younger midfielders will blossom?
Sharp definitely has a chance with his elite athleticism. His disposal certainly needs work, but he's also reputed to have a strong work ethic so I can see him fixing that enough in 3 seasons time.
It seems like leading up to the draft, we were linked with a couple of mature age defenders (Duval and Highmore) who would've been able to step into a role of injuries hit, so it does suggest it was something we considered.
Realistically, a lot of pick 40s are going to be off the list 3-4 years after they're drafted. With Sharp, it feels like a lot of potential upside with not much cost.
Realistically, a lot of pick 40s are going to be off the list 3-4 years after they're drafted. With Sharp, it feels like a lot of potential upside with not much cost.
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This leads me to wonder if there will be a change in role and we might play someone new down back. Not sure who though. Or maybe just back in the development of Smith, Prior and Madden
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They don't have to be on the LTI for the whole season. Last time I looked the minimum period was 8 weeks, which I think was reduced this season due to COVID to 6 games. I assume it will revert back to the old rule next season in which case even if McFadyen recovers earlier than expected, he can be put back on the primary list.
Without a lot of obvious needs taking a punt on a high risk player who could (if he worked out) change the dynamic of the team seems like a reasonable bet. Sharp will take a couple of years to develop for sure but that allows the team to take their time and make sure he develops correctly without the pressure of needing to play first team football.
Fagan came from a team that made very good use of the very similar athletic abilities of Isaac Smith. Brad Hill is also similar with his running and he is a very valuable player for the Saints. It is easy to see that we are interested in improving the athletic profile of the team and Sharp would do that. Similarly with Uosis who is an elite athlete in his own right. Even Madden would significantly mix things up with the pace he brings.
We are trying something. It has not cost us much in the way of picks and personally I think the potential benefits justify the expense. Sharp is not someone I had in mind for us to take but now that he is here I see value in the selection. People also seem to be thinking that Sharp has never picked up a football before. That is not the case. He has focused on athletics sure but he has played football before and whilst he is coming from a fair way back he does have a fair grounding in the game.
Fagan came from a team that made very good use of the very similar athletic abilities of Isaac Smith. Brad Hill is also similar with his running and he is a very valuable player for the Saints. It is easy to see that we are interested in improving the athletic profile of the team and Sharp would do that. Similarly with Uosis who is an elite athlete in his own right. Even Madden would significantly mix things up with the pace he brings.
We are trying something. It has not cost us much in the way of picks and personally I think the potential benefits justify the expense. Sharp is not someone I had in mind for us to take but now that he is here I see value in the selection. People also seem to be thinking that Sharp has never picked up a football before. That is not the case. He has focused on athletics sure but he has played football before and whilst he is coming from a fair way back he does have a fair grounding in the game.
Relying on Adams to get himself fit or Payne to take over the second key position role with Gardiner to play hybrid back is my guess. I'm not as concerned as others with our key back stocks with Lester, Adams, Payne and even McStay able to play key back if required. Not bad depth after Gardiner and Andrews.
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Hard to say without seeing or hearing too much regarding the above three in ressie matches this year. Prior extended until 2022, so might get a chance sometime in 2021. If training and playing well in VFL comp then hopefully see him later in 2021.
Madden is so fast, just not sure how he has developed in 2020.
Think with Payne and Lester, B.Smith's opportunities could be limited.
Reckon Payne is the new person in the backline. Rate him ahead of injury prone Adams, he is the longer term option and can play on tall and mid forwards due to his pace, so club backs him in.
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Think this sums it up pretty well.
Right now our list has the benefit of being a) top-4 quality, b) young, c) without any glaring holes for the next few years and d) suitable depth (Note: this does not mean having A graders sitting in the ressies, this means having players with experience who can come in and fill a role - this is why CEY was a decent pickup in my mind). This is the optimal time to be taking on the risk of filling some list spots with cheap, high potential players: Cost-Benefit is heavily in our favour with most of these deals.
From what I've read, Sharp is extremely raw, but he has the endurance required to be a good winger. The tradeoff is that his disposal is quite poor and he is very lightly built at this point.
If he can maintain his athleticism while putting on a fair bit of weight, he could take the defensive wing role opposite McCluggage. If he can improve his disposal, he has the traits to become a serious talent. Clearly a lot of work to go, but clearly a lot of upside.
The flipside of this is that the cost to us was pick 43. Not many immediate impact players around those levels - which isn't necessarily a problem as it's unlikely a player like that could break into our side as it is. Sharp will know that senior football will be a fair while away while he develops, so he isn't likely to get disgruntled at lack of opportunity until he builds a more solid base, at which point slots could open up.
Clearly a roll of the dice, but it makes sense when considering the balance of our list. Similar arguments could be put forward for Cockatoo (future 3rd round pick - likely around pick 45) and Daniher (cap space only). Significant potential reward (filling areas we lack in as a team), low-medium risk.
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I have no idea why but I just have a feeling Mathieson is going to be pushing hard for a spot in the early-mid rounds.
Don’t know why. He’s nowhere near my best 22.
Just a hunch.
I must admit my last hunch was that Colm Begley would play 200 games for us.
Don’t know why. He’s nowhere near my best 22.
Just a hunch.
I must admit my last hunch was that Colm Begley would play 200 games for us.
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My take on Matho is that he will leave no stone unturned in trying to get the best out of himself.
The question is. Is his best good enough?
I like him and wish him all the best.
I met him when he first come to the club and loved his attitude and charisma and pretty sure all the playing group love him too.
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Rich Andrews birch
Cockie Berry Clugga
Zorko. Hippy. Rayner
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big o , Neale , lyons
interchange - Bailey , ah chee , McCarthy, Mitch Robbo or Devon Roberson .
time is now to blood Payne over Adams . He is bigger faster and has way more upside . If Adams is fit and gets his body right consistently then he comes in but Payne is the future and it allows us to allow Andrews to dominate in the air .
i think if cockie is fit he comes in for a wing spot . He has speed and strength and allows us a really good option in the middle . Ah chee ans Bailey can both play forwRd or back for flexibility while McCarthy is another dangerous forward off bench . I’ve got Mitch Robbo getting final bench spot but if dev Robertson has huge year that may be his as his upside is pretty good .
unluckt omissions - answorth ( probably comes in for birch if form or injury and as a lock down defender I know fagan loves him ) . K Coleman also another one up forward but having a good squad of 25 to 28 players who could all
Play senior footy is what’s required .
Rich Andrews birch
Cockie Berry Clugga
Zorko. Hippy. Rayner
Charlie Joey Mcstay
big o , Neale , lyons
interchange - Bailey , ah chee , McCarthy, Mitch Robbo or Devon Roberson .
time is now to blood Payne over Adams . He is bigger faster and has way more upside . If Adams is fit and gets his body right consistently then he comes in but Payne is the future and it allows us to allow Andrews to dominate in the air .
i think if cockie is fit he comes in for a wing spot . He has speed and strength and allows us a really good option in the middle . Ah chee ans Bailey can both play forwRd or back for flexibility while McCarthy is another dangerous forward off bench . I’ve got Mitch Robbo getting final bench spot but if dev Robertson has huge year that may be his as his upside is pretty good .
unluckt omissions - answorth ( probably comes in for birch if form or injury and as a lock down defender I know fagan loves him ) . K Coleman also another one up forward but having a good squad of 25 to 28 players who could all
Play senior footy is what’s required .
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Agree, with most of the team, except I would not play Birchall. Think Lester is a little unlucky, could he play the Birchall role? I also like Answerth but can understand the omission.
Like you, I think we have the squad of at least 26 AFL quality players and our team and structure is consistent enough to allow for a young guy (who is training well etc) to play the occasional AFL game, to develop their game, for the clubs future years.
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I do think that Birchall will start the year but I am hoping he doesn’t finish the year in the 22 and a better option has overtaken him.
The other thing with Fagenslions36 team, I don’t think Cockatoo will start the year on the wing, he may end up there long term but he will need some fitness and form before moving to a permanent wing role.
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Lester would vying for a role with Gardiner I would think as I feel they are similar players . Lesters kicking doesn’t offer what birch’s does and I feel answorth would be next in line as he has ability to break lines and play lock down on oppositions small forwards - think of butler , Bolton’s , castagnas , paplys.
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Early last year I mentioned that 2021 is the year our group of players should be ready to play in a GF and hopefully take the premiership.
We are close but as a Club you always have to look for the future. If it's not 2021 then 2022 etc.
Their are gems out their somewhere, our recruiters just have to find one or two
They could be a mid to late draft pick, come from another country like Ireland and the USA.
Can the Club find salary cap room for one more gun player for 2022 ?.
Young players find it hard to break into a top 4 team as everything is different compared to under aged footy
They have to contend with a new environment, complete new playing group, different and multiple coaches, change of diet.
I imagine they also need to be fairly smart or a least a good memory to implement different game plan scenarios
Older players have time on their side to fit into all these arears
So guys mentioned here on this thread like Birchall, Lester, Adams, CEY, Mitch Robbo will always come into consideration if fit, and playing up to AFL standard.
So it is up to the younger guys to push for selection and make the most of their opportunities when they get a chance.
The Club has taken a gamble on some injury prone players over the last few years with some success.
Time for them to gamble a bit more and think outside the box.
I urge the recruiters to consider a least one of these four for our 2022 season
Each has a quality we can use and possibly fit into Cat B rookie selection
What do the Lions Big Footy posters think?
Where do they fit into our best 22 for 2022.
We are close but as a Club you always have to look for the future. If it's not 2021 then 2022 etc.
Their are gems out their somewhere, our recruiters just have to find one or two
They could be a mid to late draft pick, come from another country like Ireland and the USA.
Can the Club find salary cap room for one more gun player for 2022 ?.
Young players find it hard to break into a top 4 team as everything is different compared to under aged footy
They have to contend with a new environment, complete new playing group, different and multiple coaches, change of diet.
I imagine they also need to be fairly smart or a least a good memory to implement different game plan scenarios
Older players have time on their side to fit into all these arears
So guys mentioned here on this thread like Birchall, Lester, Adams, CEY, Mitch Robbo will always come into consideration if fit, and playing up to AFL standard.
So it is up to the younger guys to push for selection and make the most of their opportunities when they get a chance.
The Club has taken a gamble on some injury prone players over the last few years with some success.
Time for them to gamble a bit more and think outside the box.
I urge the recruiters to consider a least one of these four for our 2022 season
Each has a quality we can use and possibly fit into Cat B rookie selection
What do the Lions Big Footy posters think?
Where do they fit into our best 22 for 2022.
I think Deven Robertson will be next years Starcevich and force his way into our 22. He is way too committed, professional and disciplined not to I think.
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