2021 best 22 (and sub)

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Early days with lots of room over list changes and pre-season but here's my thinking. (Sorry that its turned into suck an essay)

Key backs (two tall one medium):
Andrews is locked in. Adams/Payne will be an interesting battle for the second role. Personally I hope we persevere with Payne as I like what I have seen so far.
That leaves a battle between Gardiner and Lester. Its a bit rough as both have played really well this year but I think we are better balanced with a second tall and one of these two. Payne in provides more height and pace.

Small backs (4 small):
I think Rich is locked in as well as Starc now. Good balance of kicking and speed.
Despite Birchall having triggered another year I think we should move past him. Still not convinced by his lack of speed and hope we have enough experience down back now. Witherden should have learnt enough to take on that role.
That leaves a battle between Ah Chee and Answerth for the 7th spot. Both offer plenty and Im not sure of the best option. I havent seen enough of Prior or other young options to know about them

Inside mids (3-4):
Neale and Lyons are locked in but I think we need another (if not two more) to support them. CEY isnt bad when there but doesnt do enough elsewhere. Berry could be an option or we could play him on the wing more (in Robbos role). Would like to see one of Dev or Ely get a run here but they are still unknowns. Personally think Matho isnt the answer. Think he's a little too small and doesnt run enough defensively to be more than backup.
Bailey can do a bit of Zorko's role but it makes us small inside - think he will play wing and rotate everywhere
Cockatoo might be an option but not sure if he is the wing option.

Wing/Outside mids (3-4):
McClug is the star - we've talked about him playing more inside but think thats robbing Peter to pay Paul. As above I think Bailey will also keep playing wing rotating with Clugg.
Personally think we have a need for another option here. I think Robbo has played a little less wing but might be time for someone to take over his bigger wing role. Need to be big and run hard to help inside or cover ground. Berry could do this and play inside a bit or maybe this is why we are chasing Cockatoo and can ease him into the team.

Ruck:
Oscar should be taking on the main role from now on. I still have concerns especially with how he always plays from behind but that should be coachable.
Stef unfortunately might be done. I think he takes a bit of time to work into the year but we cant afford that now. He has also always been a shorter ruck and had to over come that.
Not sure if Archie continues on either. Consistently has low ToG% as isnt flexible enough to play other roles. If we are getting Daniher (forward/ruck role) I think that pushes him further out.
Clear need to chase/draft a backup ruck

Tall forwards (2 tall and 1 forward/ruck):
Hipwood starts no question.
McStay has been the best option but I see why its a constant argument. Does Daniher push him out or does he play the R/F role?
If we dont get Daniher then we probably need another option.
Skinner unfortunately I think the knees have cost him too much pace/agility. Ballenden is still a maybe - needs more aggression. Fullerton showed promise and is probably first option to come in next.
Think we need to look at drafting another key forward option

Small forwards (3-4):
Charlie, Rayner and Linc are obvious starters. I would also think Zorko will play more here as well. Like Ablett played against us. All have shown ability to be dangerous and pushing into the middle at times. Although again they are smaller (ignore Rayner) and need to be balanced with bigger bodies when they do that.
KColeman (and hopefully BColeman) are first choice backups as well as TBerry. All look to provide great pressure and can grow into the role.

Biggest list needs:
  • Back up ruck (probably from draft)
  • Key forward or forward ruck - Daniher is clearly the target but another from the draft might be needed
  • Another mid or wing option - Cockatoo or O'Hallaran seem to be the target (would love Caldwell still). Otherwise need Dev or Smith to step up
 
Hardly hearing Mitch Hinge's name for next year. Surely he is given the opportunity for a decent run of games to see if he is officially up to it or not. He was very efficient by foot in his last game against Sydney and had a fair few goal assists or involvements.
Especially if Witherden does move on, I think Hinge should get another year.
And a chance to cement himself.
 

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Surely he is given the opportunity for a decent run of games to see if he is officially up to it or not.
I think we're past that point. Either players are good enough to force their way in or they're not. We're not going to gift games to see if we should delist someone - if that's needed they're probably not making the team better.
 
I think we're past that point. Either players are good enough to force their way in or they're not. We're not going to gift games to see if we should delist someone - if that's needed they're probably not making the team better.
He was good enough the last game he played.IMO. Was crucial his influence in some of the goals we got against Sydney.He forced his way into the last game he played i presume as he would not of been given a game or do you feel it was only injuries that gave him a game. If he played crap that game against Sydney then yep maybe gone but he grabbed that opportunity and performed quite well without being outstanding. Very clean i thought.Will be interested to see what they do with him. IMO has not had many opportunities ( roughly 3 games i think) but IMO i just like something about him but hey i am not a recruiter.
 
He was good enough the last game he played.IMO. Was crucial his influence in some of the goals we got against Sydney.He forced his way into the last game he played i presume as he would not of been given a game or do you feel it was only injuries that gave him a game. If he played crap that game against Sydney then yep maybe gone but he grabbed that opportunity and performed quite well without being outstanding. Very clean i thought.Will be interested to see what they do with him. IMO has not had many opportunities ( roughly 3 games i think) but IMO i just like something about him but hey i am not a recruiter.

He made it in because of injuries, not exactly forcing himself in.
 
Hardly hearing Mitch Hinge's name for next year. Surely he is given the opportunity for a decent run of games to see if he is officially up to it or not. He was very efficient by foot in his last game against Sydney and had a fair few goal assists or involvements.
Think it might come down to size of player lists, but would like to see him given a chance next year, just not sure where, probably back up
 
Ok so you say the cupboard was bare was why he got a game then. From my point of view i will be interested to see what the club do with him.
Not exactly a bare cupboard - I think he's right in that 23-26 range, as demonstrated by his regular appearance in the emergencies. Is that enough to keep him around? We've seen other players moved on recently who fall there...
 
Reckon McStay will be a gun on the wing.

Could Hipwood chop out in the ruck?
I'd be over the moon if McStay was a gun on the wing but on what I've seen he'd need to sharpen up many aspects of his skill level and attack on the ball.

But I could see him in the backline with the right coaching and his application to it.
 
What I would like to see

Gardiner Andrews Rich
Starc Adams Ah Chee
Bailey McCluggage Berry
Rayner Hipwood Zorko
Cameron Daniher Coleman
R: Big O Lyons Neale
Bench: McCarthy Witherden McStay Robbo

Lester and Answerth unlucky, lots of competition in the back line and I think Starc, Ah chee and Witherden have the most upside
 
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I think we should compare players form this year to last year and factor in their age when trying to arrive at a starting side for round one next year and st our finals side for 2021.

Zorko tailed off badly this year but injury may have been the reason. Having said that some players don't go on playing well past thirty.

McStay played very poorly in his last five games and at his age its hard to see any improvement in any position he is played in. He is the ultimate tease.

Rayner is still not showing anything like I hoped from a number one draft pick. Last year he was invisible for many games, and this year he was better, but I am not convinced this year shows any evidence he will be anything but a bit player. Coleman may go past him!

Lester played better than I could have ever hoped but at 29 next year doubts must be raised whether he can play as well next season.

Birchall is a list clogger and with Adams has stopped development of younger players.

Adams might get fit and he might push for Paine's position but then again he might miss another season.

Mitch Robbo, my favorite player, has a contract but he is looking very shaky and age may have caught up with him. One more mid fielder, such as Hunter or Higgins, might see the last of Robbo.

I think the most important thing to do next year is to be more aggressive in selection policy. Our best team next year must be a team of flux. Players who have poor game after game need to give way to younger and untried players. We have become a good side but as Brad pointed out, becoming the best is more difficult again.
 
Rayner is still not showing anything like I hoped from a number one draft pick. Last year he was invisible for many games, and this year he was better, but I am not convinced this year shows any evidence he will be anything but a bit player. Coleman may go past him!
Do you reckon there's a valid sidebar that a kid like him cant have had his development helped by being homebound, I saw him really delivering in a team and maturity sense, I liked the way he got clean handball away whilst taking tackles, and thought he showed great vision. Very excited about his future prospects
I think the most important thing to do next year is to be more aggressive in selection policy. Our best team next year must be a team of flux. Players who have poor game after game need to give way to younger and untried players. We have become a good side but as Brad pointed out, becoming the best is more difficult again.
Going to be a hugely exciting preseason to watch
 
Cam was better this year then last. I would have dropped him several times LAST YEAR if his selection was purely based on form. The issue I suppose is how much improvement does he have? I was hoping for him to become a star this year which did not happen.
 
Cam was better this year then last. I would have dropped him several times LAST YEAR if his selection was purely based on form. The issue I suppose is how much improvement does he have? I was hoping for him to become a star this year which did not happen.

He has a lot of improvement in him. Look at how long it took the likes of Martin and Petracca to develop. Obviously the timeframe isn't the same for everyone, but think we'll start seeing the best of Cam from his fifth year in the system, especially when the older blokes retire and he's forced to step up. He'll relish in that environment imo.
 
I think Cam has built a good base to build on given his selflessness and the off the ball blocking he does. He also improved his ball handling and skills a lot this season.

Even though there wasn't a jump in stats there was a clear improvement (which probably should've happened in his second year)

You do feel he's still under pressure to make another big jump next year but I'd put that pressure on Bailey and Starce as well.
 
I think Cam has built a good base to build on given his selflessness and the off the ball blocking he does. He also improved his ball handling and skills a lot this season.

Even though there wasn't a jump in stats there was a clear improvement (which probably should've happened in his second year)

You do feel he's still under pressure to make another big jump next year but I'd put that pressure on Bailey and Starce as well.
Agree. We really need improvement from ALL the young guns in our best 22 if we are to threaten for the flag again and hopefully take another step forward. That means Berry, Clug, Rayner, Bailey, Hipwood, Andrews, Coleman, Witherden, Starcevich, Payne, Ballenden, Answerth, Prior, Robertson, B.Smith, Fullerton, Ah Chee & E.Smith as these boys are the ones with the most potential to improve their games with added experience.
 
Agree. We really need improvement from ALL the young guns in our best 22 if we are to threaten for the flag again and hopefully take another step forward. That means Berry, Clug, Rayner, Bailey, Hipwood, Andrews, Coleman, Witherden, Starcevich, Payne, Ballenden, Answerth, Prior, Robertson, B.Smith, Fullerton, Ah Chee & E.Smith as these boys are the ones with the most potential to improve their games with added experience.
I think a great source of improvement is likely now having gone through the mindset of having to go through playing the tigers in a huge final then a completely different team in the next final. That must demand as much as you've got in playing your best but also you're role on the day best. At times this year thought the roles were demanding too much to get the best out of a player, exhibit A Ah Chee, but came on and had a couple of blinders and finished pretty consistently. Setting the bar high is of course what they've gotta do and looking forward to seeing how they go next year, very confident in the group
 
Rayner is being pigeonholed as the forward flanker. TBH... I hope he doesn't ******* play there next year only - for rests. He better pull his finger out and demand that he trains with the midfield group over the off season. He's the inside outside mid we need ffs - perfect fit.
You might want to consider where he sees his best football.
 
Rayner is being pigeonholed as the forward flanker. TBH... I hope he doesn't ******* play there next year only - for rests. He better pull his finger out and demand that he trains with the midfield group over the off season. He's the inside outside mid we need ffs - perfect fit.
Rayner (& all players on the list) will play where it best benefits the team & that decision isnt Rayner's to make or demand. Its a team game & as it it proven often, the team game is the one that will get you a flag, not individuals.
 

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