List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

Giant Strides · Sep 30, 2021

Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker

FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):

Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more

www.bigfooty.com

GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)

fridgeman · Sep 4, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
Agreed on the need for Key Forwards I think it's something we can overlook quite easily. We can't bank on Hogan to play consistently throughout the year, Riccardi is likely leaving and it wouldn't shock me personally to see Finlayson playing in different colours next year. That leaves us with Hogan, HH, Sproule and Flynn (if he re-signs which I think he will) which isn't enough depth at all, don't think it's an urgent need right away but it's something that should be invested in within the next years with some decent picks.

I dont think TOJ is a worry with leaving with no more info on his personal situation the club granted him the leave he needed to be with his partner and for their childs birth he seems a loyal guy and look at the spotlight and scrutiny on Williams this year he would want to avoid that

Hendo_21 · Sep 4, 2021

I'd be fine seeing Reid, Mumford, Shipley, Hutchesson and maybe Llyod all not be offered contracts. Priority should be re-signing Taranto and doing something long term and hopefully not just a 2 year extension he was elite in the back half of the season despite the kicking issues and Flynn should also be re-signed most of the others I don't think I'd be too worried if they leave. Phil Davis showed enough last night to me that he still has something left in the tank for at least another year plus he's a great leader and a club legend at this point so maybe a 2 year contract would work well for him, although he probably isn't going to be in the best 22 week in week out anymore he'd be great depth and a good character with a wealth of experience to help out the younger guys.

Orange crush · Sep 4, 2021

I’d be keeping Lloyd

fridgeman · Sep 4, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
I'd be fine seeing Reid, Mumford, Shipley, Hutchesson and maybe Llyod all not be offered contracts. Priority should be re-signing Taranto and doing something long term and hopefully not just a 2 year extension he was elite in the back half of the season despite the kicking issues and Flynn should also be re-signed most of the others I don't think I'd be too worried if they leave. Phil Davis showed enough last night to me that he still has something left in the tank for at least another year plus he's a great leader and a club legend at this point so maybe a 2 year contract would work well for him, although he probably isn't going to be in the best 22 week in week out anymore he'd be great depth and a good character with a wealth of experience to help out the younger guys.

So you would keep Buntine over Lloyd?

16 games 20 goals this year

Nothing needs to be said

Hendo_21 · Sep 4, 2021

fridgeman said:
So you would keep Buntine over Lloyd?

16 games 20 goals this year

Nothing needs to be said

Nah you’re right I was probably a bit quick to dismiss Llyod I think Stone should be pushing him for his spot next year however as Llyod has a tendency to fade in and out of games. Buntine’s interesting I wouldn’t care too much which ever way they choose to go with him.

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Andre the Giant · Sep 4, 2021

I like Lloyd, he has made his own way and is a good consistent performer. He is a deadly kick and always gives effort.

He’s the kind of fabric player that is inexpensive that’s clubs need. Some might say that of Stein, Sproule and Reid.

With several big ticket items we need guys like this to smooth over our cap.

Giant Pete · Sep 4, 2021

Andre the Giant said:
Here is some vision on Leek Alleer, 197 cms KPD. Looks pretty good here.

His leap looks crazy. very athletic. His kicking needs a lot of work. Love to know what his personality and work ethic is like. Where is he estimated to go pick wise?

sydney_gws · Sep 4, 2021

What about Callum Coleman-Jones from Richmond, does anybody want him ( or only to replace TOJ and/ or Riccardi if they leave). Or if a player leaves, do we use it to help our salary cap by replacing that player with a draftees lower salary.

GWS Goose · Sep 4, 2021

sydney_gws said:
What about Callum Coleman-Jones from Richmond, does anybody want him ( or only to replace TOJ and/ or Riccardi if they leave. Or if a player leaves, do we use it to help our salary cap by replacing that player with a draftees lower salary.

Not particularly

Andre the Giant · Sep 4, 2021

Giant Pete said:
His leap looks crazy. very athletic. His kicking needs a lot of work. Love to know what his personality and work ethic is like. Where is he estimated to go pick wise?

I reckon anywhere from 30-50

Giant Pete · Sep 4, 2021

I can see us delisting/trading (or retiring):

Mummy
Riccardi
Reid
Hutchesson
Possibly Shipley

Hendo_21 · Sep 4, 2021

sydney_gws said:
What about Callum Coleman-Jones from Richmond, does anybody want him ( or only to replace TOJ and/ or Riccardi if they leave). Or if a player leaves, do we use it to help our salary cap by replacing that player with a draftees lower salary.

I'd definetly be intrested but think it might cost a bit much, think he would have a decent amount of intrest around the competition.

Giant Strides · Sep 4, 2021

The problem for us to get Leek Aleer is Josh Fahey. Even if we traded in advance of draft night to get a second round in the 20-30 region to grab him earlier than others might want to, it would get used up in matching a bid on Fahey. So, we'd have to wait until draft night and manufacture a trade using future picks rather than including a player, which would be much more costly. Or, of course, forego Josh Fahey.

The alternative would be to forego someone at #13, trade back with a club that has two picks in the 20s, so can pay for Fahey & also grab Aleer.

Either way isn't neat for us.

Another option is to select either Jacob Van Rooyen (JVR) or Rhett Bazzo with that #13 (which becomes #15). Or arrange for a trade for a KPD and worry about a longer term KPD next year ... or the year after.

Ichabod Noodle · Sep 4, 2021

when is Fahey likely to be bid on?

and will we match?

and what can you tell me about him?

PMBangers · Sep 4, 2021

Ichabod Noodle said:
when is Fahey likely to be bid on?

and will we match?

and what can you tell me about him?

15 onwards

We should, one of the better defenders in the pool

Plays in a similar manner to Isaac Cumming but with more strength and distance on his kick early on, probably has more scope to move into the midfield

Ichabod Noodle · Sep 4, 2021

PMBangers said:
15 onwards

We should, one of the better defenders in the pool

Plays in a similar manner to Isaac Cumming but with more strength and distance on his kick early on, probably has more scope to move into the midfield

thanks

when you say 15 onwards is that real or academy hype - a la Marshall & Brander who were both supposedly top 3 while they were in the academy, and we we’re going to rort our way to another top pick - and as soon as they weren’t eligible for matching anymore, mysteriously slipped in the draft order and calculations.

where’s he from?

PMBangers · Sep 4, 2021

Ichabod Noodle said:
thanks

when you say 15 onwards is that real or academy hype - a la Marshall & Brander who were both supposedly top 3 while they were in the academy, and we we’re going to fort our way to another top pick - and as soon as they weren’t eligible for matching anymore, mysteriously slipped in the draft order and calculations.

where’s he from?

He's certainly around that point regardless, the issue is the draft is so close from 5-30 that some clusb could legitimately have him in the top 10 and some could have him in the 40's, regardless, as long as we get two picks in prior we should match.

He's a Canberra boy

Hendo_21 · Sep 4, 2021

PMBangers said:
He's certainly around that point regardless, the issue is the draft is so close from 5-30 that some clusb could legitimately have him in the top 10 and some could have him in the 40's, regardless, as long as we get two picks in prior we should match.

He's a Canberra boy

You think we'll be able to use both our firsts and grab Fahey?

PMBangers · Sep 4, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
You think we'll be able to use both our firsts and grab Fahey?

I'd be very surprised if we didn't

Giant Pete · Sep 5, 2021

PMBangers said:
15 onwards

We should, one of the better defenders in the pool

Plays in a similar manner to Isaac Cumming but with more strength and distance on his kick early on, probably has more scope to move into the midfield

Not as athletic as Cumming.

PMBangers · Sep 5, 2021

Giant Pete said:
Not as athletic as Cumming.

Player comparisons are the bane of my existence

. I was going for more of the; good overhead for height, aggressive runner and user than genuine like for like

GWS Goose · Sep 5, 2021

Plays like comparisons are hilarious.
No players have all the same skills and attributes.
They are also usually made to superstars, common comparisons are Sam Mitchell, Pendlebury and Buddy

GWS Goose · Sep 5, 2021

Someone in this draft was described as playing like JKelly and Bont.
They play nothing alike
.

PMBangers · Sep 5, 2021

GWS Goose said:
Plays like comparisons are hilarious.
No players have all the same skills and attributes.
They are also usually made to superstars, common comparisons are Sam Mitchell, Pendlebury and Buddy

Its mostly because thats the stuff that gets general fans interested and invested moreso than listing a bunch of strengths, and with how much draft nights are now being pumped up the AFL want them interested.
I use it when I'm being lazy

Hendo_21 · Sep 5, 2021

Comparisons are just supposed to give people that don’t follow the draft super closely a rough idea of how these players play and some attributes they may share with other players.

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