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lioninthesand said:
It was a very big runour during Voss's tenure. That after a handful of indigenous players didn't work out after the golden era (Proud, Harding etc) that the club decided to put indigenous recruiting in the 'too hard basket'.

Whether or not that's true, it did coinside with a 5-6 year period where we didn't draft or have any indigenous players on the list (bar Ash McGrath). This also carried on through Leppas tenure, bar - Bundy coming in from memory?.

Still not officially confirmed but CLEARLY Fagen/noble noted this (whether intentional or not) and have made it and absolute priority to recruit indigenous players and to make us leaders in indigenous engagement and inclusiveness- all part of a successful cultural rebuild.
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Rhan Hooper was a joy to watch when he was up and running. I mean at training of course 😊
 

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This discussion has shifted to the Aboriginal angle. Racism is not just not being inclusive and accepting of the Aboriginal people. This issue was doggedly pursued by Lumumba (credit to his commitment to the cause) who is of Brazilian heritage.

If we are to look at Australia’s cultural demographic then Aboriginals are significantly over-represented in the AFL and other cultures are significantly underrepresented and in some insistence non existent. That is not inclusiveness. If we are genuinely to embrace equality at AFL and Brisbane Lions then equal amount of effort and money spent to ensure racism does not exist and every culture is welcome to play the game.

A good start would be pouring money in junior ranks and cleansing lower league clubs of the insidious silent discrimination that occurs at the development stage. As someone pointed out Australia’s population includes significant % of people that identify of Asian heritage. How much effort has been put in to make the game of AFL all embracing all Inclusive. I look at the A League and for all its management of the game faults the diversity of players is years ahead of AFL.
 
Anthony Corrie and Jason Roe both played a fair bit of footy through that late 2000s period. Corrie might have played a lot more if not for a broken jaw and an ACL taking out long periods.
 
irel said:
This discussion has shifted to the Aboriginal angle. Racism is not just not being inclusive and accepting of the Aboriginal people. This issue was doggedly pursued by Lumumba (credit to his commitment to the cause) who is of Brazilian heritage.

If we are to look at Australia’s cultural demographic then Aboriginals are significantly over-represented in the AFL and other cultures are significantly underrepresented and in some insistence non existent. That is not inclusiveness. If we are genuinely to embrace equality at AFL and Brisbane Lions then equal amount of effort and money spent to ensure racism does not exist and every culture is welcome to play the game.

A good start would be pouring money in junior ranks and cleansing lower league clubs of the insidious silent discrimination that occurs at the development stage. As someone pointed out Australia’s population includes significant % of people that identify of Asian heritage. How much effort has been put in to make the game of AFL all embracing all Inclusive. I look at the A League and for all its management of the game faults the diversity of players is years ahead of AFL.
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Surely not the best comparison given Soccer is played in every country and Australian Rules Football isn't

Bugger all professional cricketers in Australians aren't from countries where cricket is already popular

And we have had the NGA academies introduced recently and played games overseas
 
irel said:
A good start would be pouring money in junior ranks and cleansing lower league clubs of the insidious silent discrimination that occurs at the development stage. As someone pointed out Australia’s population includes significant % of people that identify of Asian heritage. How much effort has been put in to make the game of AFL all embracing all Inclusive. I look at the A League and for all its management of the game faults the diversity of players is years ahead of AFL.
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We are way off topic.
The A league is years ahead of us not because junior footy clubs not open and inclusive. It is the parents who came from Soccer playing countries.

Our school PE teacher heavily involved in our local footy club and does stuff with AFL pathways as well.. So if anything the kids get super encouraged to play footy. The club has a big auskick turn out from kids of all cultures. probably under half convert to junior footy after Auskick maybe for 1-2 seasons then you start loosing them.
The kids from parents who are super footy mad and go kick to kick with their dads and cousins etc stay.
Those who just getting into the game and their mum and dad not really interested leave. No matter if the kids picking up the skills.
A lot go to basketball in our area. Nothing to do with our club not inclusive. Kids who stay longer normally their parents played junior footy when they where young. A few of the footy dads still play. Will take time, a few every year from Auskick will stay and it will build.
 
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irel said:
This discussion has shifted to the Aboriginal angle. Racism is not just not being inclusive and accepting of the Aboriginal people. This issue was doggedly pursued by Lumumba (credit to his commitment to the cause) who is of Brazilian heritage.

If we are to look at Australia’s cultural demographic then Aboriginals are significantly over-represented in the AFL and other cultures are significantly underrepresented and in some insistence non existent. That is not inclusiveness. If we are genuinely to embrace equality at AFL and Brisbane Lions then equal amount of effort and money spent to ensure racism does not exist and every culture is welcome to play the game.

A good start would be pouring money in junior ranks and cleansing lower league clubs of the insidious silent discrimination that occurs at the development stage. As someone pointed out Australia’s population includes significant % of people that identify of Asian heritage. How much effort has been put in to make the game of AFL all embracing all Inclusive. I look at the A League and for all its management of the game faults the diversity of players is years ahead of AFL.
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I'm not opposed to promoting the game in areas where there are different cultures, would only be a positive for everyone.
Let's face it, different sports identify certain body shapes , athletic abilities suitable for their sport more than others. Fact.
so maybe a person with an Asian heritage would suit the game of soccer better than rugby league or Afl , because he is quick ,agile , light framed ,and is skillful.
But on an individual level.
maybe a sport has a connection with traditional games , skills.
Or maybe the kid and his mates just love playing soccer or whatever code he or she plays. Not always about racism or exclusiveness.


Is it racism if at junior level the tall kids get noticed more, it's horses for courses .
Why do a lot of Samoans, kiwis, Tongans play Union or league , it's body shape , ability, what your good at, tradition, the game YOU want to play with your mates.
Is it racism the skinny white kids don't get picked , no it's not , that's just life, it's competitive.
 
irel said:
This discussion has shifted to the Aboriginal angle. Racism is not just not being inclusive and accepting of the Aboriginal people. This issue was doggedly pursued by Lumumba (credit to his commitment to the cause) who is of Brazilian heritage.

If we are to look at Australia’s cultural demographic then Aboriginals are significantly over-represented in the AFL and other cultures are significantly underrepresented and in some insistence non existent. That is not inclusiveness. If we are genuinely to embrace equality at AFL and Brisbane Lions then equal amount of effort and money spent to ensure racism does not exist and every culture is welcome to play the game.

A good start would be pouring money in junior ranks and cleansing lower league clubs of the insidious silent discrimination that occurs at the development stage. As someone pointed out Australia’s population includes significant % of people that identify of Asian heritage. How much effort has been put in to make the game of AFL all embracing all Inclusive. I look at the A League and for all its management of the game faults the diversity of players is years ahead of AFL.
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The fact that some cultures are not represented is not racism nor is it necessarily a failing buy the AFL. Many cultures have less interest in competitive sports than other cultures.Indeed there seems to be a growing lessening of interest in footy by a lot of young people. I have noticed this in my own family. You cannot make people like footy.You must have equal opportunity but you can never have equality of outcome .
The answer is not always racism.
 
Sounds like the club might be closing the intraclub tomorrow afternoon in Zillmere. Apparently fans were walking up to players asking for autographs last Friday afternoon in Morningside, and that's worried the club re: Covid protocols which is making them consider closing this one off altogether to the public.
 
PattyKwasagun said:
Sounds like the club might be closing the intraclub tomorrow afternoon in Zillmere. Apparently fans were walking up to players asking for autographs last Friday afternoon in Morningside, and that's worried the club re: Covid protocols which is making them consider closing this one off altogether to the public.
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Yes wonder how that goes..
Kids asked me is there going to be a family day this year. I said not sure there will be.
 
davemc_lions said:
Yes wonder how that goes..
Kids asked me is there going to be a family day this year. I said not sure there will be.
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I believe the club has actually just employed a full-time Covid-safe officer this week who is starting to be a lot more stringent on things. Would expect some security presence at training and match sim in the months ahead from what I heard this morning.
 
For those that attended the intraclub game at Morningside.
How did the 2 of three new rules appear to be adapted by players and umpires
Namely standing the mark & the 15 meters at kick in from a behind score
I was their taking photos so did not take much notice of these two new rules
Were umpire actually being obvious in their communication to players where the "mark" actually is and which player is to stand on said "mark"
The other rule of 75 maximum interchanges won't be able to be judged until season actually starts

In the AFLW game Suns v Demons, three 50 meter penalties were awarded against the Suns all resulting in goals
With no replay and commentators unsure exactly why they were awarded. I wonder if any was due to the new rule
I tried to pay attention during the Lions v Richmond game
Looked to me that many players did start to move sideways but pulled up and moved back on the mark.
Won't take much for a brain fade and old instincts to kick in for a penalty to be awarded.
The AFLW kick in were a bit mixed in the 3 games i saw.
However i would say in general they did take advantage most of the time and not do the short kick in
 

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Section 5 said:
For those that attended the intraclub game at Morningside.
How did the 2 of three new rules appear to be adapted by players and umpires
Namely standing the mark & the 15 meters at kick in from a behind score
I was their taking photos so did not take much notice of these two new rules
Were umpire actually being obvious in their communication to players where the "mark" actually is and which player is to stand on said "mark"
The other rule of 75 maximum interchanges won't be able to be judged until season actually starts

In the AFLW game Suns v Demons, three 50 meter penalties were awarded against the Suns all resulting in goals
With no replay and commentators unsure exactly why they were awarded. I wonder if any was due to the new rule
I tried to pay attention during the Lions v Richmond game
Looked to me that many players did start to move sideways but pulled up and moved back on the mark.
Won't take much for a brain fade and old instincts to kick in for a penalty to be awarded.
The AFLW kick in were a bit mixed in the 3 games i saw.
However i would say in general they did take advantage most of the time and not do the short kick in
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For the AFLW I figured that it mustn’t have been implemented in the Women’s game as there was a lot of side ways movement.
I thought the 50’s were for the restricted 10m zone rather than the mark.
The intraclub they were playing on that quickly after marks that I didn’t even notice it at all.
 
davemc_lions said:
We are way off topic.
The A league is years ahead of us not because junior footy clubs not open and inclusive. It is the parents who came from Soccer playing countries.

Our school PE teacher heavily involved in our local footy club and does stuff with AFL pathways as well.. So if anything the kids get super encouraged to play footy. The club has a big auskick turn out from kids of all cultures. probably under half convert to junior footy after Auskick maybe for 1-2 seasons then you start loosing them.
The kids from parents who are super footy mad and go kick to kick with their dads and cousins etc stay.
Those who just getting into the game and their mum and dad not really interested leave. No matter if the kids picking up the skills.
A lot go to basketball in our area. Nothing to do with our club not inclusive. Kids who stay longer normally their parents played junior footy when they where young. A few of the footy dads still play. Will take time, a few every year from Auskick will stay and it will build.
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Parents and culture very much play a significant role in whether a child plays sport of any kind, just not AFL.

I came from a non sporting family. We watched the Olympics and Comm games, but nothing else.

I loved sport as a kid, but received very little family support once I aged out of little athletics.

Tried playing cricket, basketball and Union at school, as well as athletics and cross country, but just had no family support, either financially or time/car, and gave up all sports by 16.

My wife comes from a country where few citizens play sport, with soccer the country’s number one sport, and possibly the only professional sport in her country.

Got to remember, AFL is not even popular in every State or the number one football code throughout Australia.
 
Our great club already do a lot in the multicultural space, we are in good hands >

And it's only going to be expanded and improved on when we finally move to the Reserve at Springfield.
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An auditorium and spaces to support meetings and conferences within The Reserve will support an expansion of our community education and school curriculum programs, drawing upon experience gained by studying best-practice community outreach programs operating both within Australia and overseas.

Our partner, Multicultural Australia, an organisation who work towards making refugees, migrants and others feel welcome in the Queensland community will be based within the facility.

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youneverknow22 said:
The percentage of indigenous players in the AFL is 10% - which means they are greatly represented considering their minor population. And i'm sure Collingwood do have their biases (which should be condemned), but this needs to be fixed at a grassroots level. And we also have to accept that while Australia is a largely white country, our multicultural communities may not be interested in this sport. Chol spoke about how Sudanese players prefer basketball, and we all know how the indian community prefers cricket. And Indigenous players are usually split between league and AFL. The AFL needs to get as many communities interested in our game, then maybe things will continue to change for the better.
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So by that logic do NBA team needs greater diversity as 78% of players are black.

There should be no doubt that indigenous players have been discriminated against purely because some clubs have put them in the too hard basket. Just watch halftime during indigenous round and you’ll see the talent on display and absolute love of footy.

All codes need to do better and more heavily invest in their programs as there are issues indigenous kids face that arent understood by 95% of the population.
 
morsie said:
The fact that some cultures are not represented is not racism nor is it necessarily a failing buy the AFL. Many cultures have less interest in competitive sports than other cultures.Indeed there seems to be a growing lessening of interest in footy by a lot of young people. I have noticed this in my own family. You cannot make people like footy.You must have equal opportunity but you can never have equality of outcome .
The answer is not always racism.
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Spot on. I couldn't believe reading the insinuation that because certain cultures are underrepresented that it is a failing of the AFL or even remotely linked to racism.

The world is going mad with this sort of stuff and the leaps people make these days.
 
Dylan12 said:
Spot on. I couldn't believe reading the insinuation that because certain cultures are underrepresented that it is a failing of the AFL or even remotely linked to racism.

The world is going mad with this sort of stuff and the leaps people make these days.
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I gotta agree with you Dylan. When I went to a strong sporting school in the 60's you played footy in winter and cricket in summer . If you weren't any good at either of those your only other choice was handball at lunchtime. School aths and inter school aths for elites once a year. We had quite a few Italian guys in my year and some of them played soccer locally which was considered a step down .

By the time my son got to Senior school he was quite good at footy but preferred hockey and rowing. Lots of other choices as well. The multicultural mix in his generation is a lot stronger and the non caucasian boys generally just preferred other sports. Nothing to do with racism.
 
martinson said:
I gotta agree with you Dylan. When I went to a strong sporting school in the 60's you played footy in winter and cricket in summer . If you weren't any good at either of those your only other choice was handball at lunchtime. School aths and inter school aths for elites once a year. We had quite a few Italian guys in my year and some of them played soccer locally which was considered a step down .

By the time my son got to Senior school he was quite good at footy but preferred hockey and rowing. Lots of other choices as well. The multicultural mix in his generation is a lot stronger and the non caucasian boys generally just preferred other sports. Nothing to do with racism.
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Gee you're describing my childhood martin, I wondered why I played so much handball at school in the 60s.... I was just hopeless at League and Cricket, and then I played soccer at a local club in the 70s. :eek: :(
 
Jason mp said:
Gee you're describing my childhood martin, I wondered why I played so much handball at school in the 60s.... I was just hopeless at League and Cricket, and then I played soccer at a local club in the 70s. :eek: :(
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And if you were no good at handball you played that elastic skipping game with the girls, but maybe that was the seventies, and no I didn't.o_O
Ok at home with my sister, but only once.
 

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