2022-23 - NBA Award Thread

[DT_35]

Jokic makes his team mates better.
Embiids team mates get worse when he plays.

Denver w/o Jokic 5-8
Philly without Embiid 13-5

Not to mention averaging a bees dick shy of a TD in the #1 seed for the first time in franchise history while shooting it at an insane % with a MUCH less usage date.

Carry on…

 

[Iceman!]

Jokic makes his team mates better.
Embiids team mates get worse when he plays.

Denver w/o Jokic 5-8
Philly without Embiid 13-5

Not to mention averaging a bees dick shy of a TD in the #1 seed for the first time in franchise history while shooting it on an insane % with a MUCH less usage date.

Carry on…

Or Denver has a worse supporting cast
Or Denver has less big depth
Or Jokic missed games against better teams
Or Jokic wasn’t the only one missing in those games
Or it is way too small of a sample size

 

[DT_35]

Or Denver has a worse supporting cast
Or Denver has less big depth
Or Jokic missed games against better teams
Or Jokic wasn’t the only one missing in those games
Or it is way too small of a sample size

Philly literally just beat the championship fav without Embiid…

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

McNair named NBA's top exec after Kings' leap

Kings general manager Monte McNair is the 2022-23 NBA Executive of the Year after assembling a squad that finished 48-34 and snapped a 16-year playoff drought.

www.espn.com.au

Can't argue with that!

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Jokic makes his team mates better.
Embiids team mates get worse when he plays.

Denver w/o Jokic 5-8
Philly without Embiid 13-5

Not to mention averaging a bees dick shy of a TD in the #1 seed for the first time in franchise history while shooting it at an insane % with a MUCH less usage date.

Carry on…

THis x 1 bajillion

Embiid just sitting his ass in the paint meaning Harden and co can only be a spot up shooter. This wont work when you got 2 good defensive bigs in Horford and Williams in a series

Celtics faves from here unless Doc changes it up

 

[Warsaw]

I was originally of the opinion that any of Jokic, Joel or Giannis would be worthy winners, but a closer look at the team records for all three with and without their star players, paints an interesting picture.

The 76ers actually play better without Joel. The Bucks are still a winning side (just) without Giannis and the Nuggets are a losing side when Jokic doesn't play.
In fact, the Sixers just sealed a sweep of the Nets by beating them in game 4 without Joel, and have now beaten the Championship favourites, on their home court, in game 1 of their 2nd round matchup with the Celtics.

If it was really awarded to the MOST VALUABLE player, then Joel would come 3rd.

Anyway, can't change anything now, so congratulations to Joel on a great season.

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Teams Sixers beat without Embiid:

Orlando x2
Detroit
Brooklyn x2 (one with both teams playing G-Leaguers)
Washington
Indiana
Atlanta
Toronto
Miami
Sacramento

It's wild how people want to cherry pick stats to make their argument...this is Jokic stans to a ****ing tee. But if you're telling me Sixers beating those teams is reason to believe the Sixers are better without Embiid, then I don't even know what to say.

 

[Iceman!]

Philly literally just beat the championship fav without Embiid…

Its literally 1 game

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Post season is irrelevant to mvp discussion however.

I know the games don't count towards any of the voting, but it's further evidence (for the sake of discussion only) that he's not as important to his team as the other two candidates are.
His personal numbers for the regular season are more than worthy of an MVP, but it shows that they don't really take the team component into account, other than looking at the team's overall record. I guess from a general standpoint, they can't look at the team's performances with and without the candidate in the side, as some years a player might play all 82 games and there's no evidence of how the team would go without said player. So I understand WHY they might ignore that part of it, but I guess I just found this one a little frustrating due to the obvious difference Jokic makes to Denver compared to Joel's impact on the 76ers.

 

[peternorth]

I know the games don't count towards any of the voting, but it's further evidence (for the sake of discussion only) that he's not as important to his team as the other two candidates are.
His personal numbers for the regular season are more than worthy of an MVP, but it shows that they don't really take the team component into account, other than looking at the team's overall record. I guess from a general standpoint, they can't look at the team's performances with and without the candidate in the side, as some years a player might play all 82 games and there's no evidence of how the team would go without said player. So I understand WHY they might ignore that part of it, but I guess I just found this one a little frustrating due to the obvious difference Jokic makes to Denver compared to Joel's impact on the 76ers.

Fair comments. And good discussion points

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Or Denver has a worse supporting cast
Or Denver has less big depth
Or Jokic missed games against better teams
Or Jokic wasn’t the only one missing in those games
Or it is way too small of a sample size

Exactly, we have a worse supporting cast yet were the #1 seed in the West. That's not an argument for Embiid's case.

Philli play better without Embiid. Look what happened today, he comes back and they get blasted.

That's not a too small sample size.

The stats absolutely back up Joker's case for the MVP. But numbnut media heads like Nick Wrong have been shitting on the Joker all season and pumping up Embiid, driving the narrative.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Exactly, we have a worse supporting cast yet were the #1 seed in the West. That's not an argument for Embiid's case.

Philli play better without Embiid. Look what happened today, he comes back and they get blasted.

That's not a too small sample size.

The stats absolutely back up Joker's case for the MVP. But numbnut media heads like Nick Wrong have been shitting on the Joker all season and pumping up Embiid, driving the narrative.

I have a nasty feeling Kendrick Perkins really harmed Joker's chances of winning MVP when he foolishly mentioned the reasons of voters voting for the likes of Jokic (and Nash and Dirk) for MVP of being racist.

 

[Iceman!]

I have a nasty feeling Kendrick Perkins really harmed Joker's chances of winning MVP when he foolishly mentioned the reasons of voters voting for the likes of Jokic (and Nash and Dirk) for MVP of being racist.

Or was it because Embiid around that time went on a huge tear of 30+ point games and Jokic sat a lot of games at the end of the year.

No one actually takes Perk seriously

 

[Iceman!]

Exactly, we have a worse supporting cast yet were the #1 seed in the West. That's not an argument for Embiid's case.

Philli play better without Embiid. Look what happened today, he comes back and they get blasted.

That's not a too small sample size.

The stats absolutely back up Joker's case for the MVP. But numbnut media heads like Nick Wrong have been shitting on the Joker all season and pumping up Embiid, driving the narrative.

You mean the media narrative like every Ringer podcast having a 15 minute segment every week dedicated to giving Jokic a reach around and claiming how his basketball single handily could cure cancer?

If you think Jokic should have been MVP, fine. If you think Jokic was robbed or it was just a media narrative you are kidding yourself.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Or was it because Embiid around that time went on a huge tear of 30+ point games and Jokic sat a lot of games at the end of the year.

No one actually takes Perk seriously

True, and I think you are right (that Embiid was heating up and Joker had a lean spell around that time) but it was wrong and inappropriate for Perkins to make such inflammatory comments, even though I sincerely believe Embiid earned his MVP legitimately, Perk should never have brought the colour of skin into it..

 

[scaryness]

McNair named NBA's top exec after Kings' leap

Kings general manager Monte McNair is the 2022-23 NBA Executive of the Year after assembling a squad that finished 48-34 and snapped a 16-year playoff drought.

www.espn.com.au

Can't argue with that!

Not bad after the 'worst trade of all time' when the Kings traded Magic Johnson for some euro scrub.

 

[Iceman!]

True, and I think you are right (that Embiid was heating up and Joker had a lean spell around that time) but it was wrong and inappropriate for Perkins to make such inflammatory comments, even though I sincerely believe Embiid earned his MVP legitimately, Perk should never have brought the colour of skin into it..

Oh absolutely, his point was awful and it made no sense. His stats were also wrong, I hate the hot take artists but can ignore most of them. He is just awful for fans who want any sort of meaningful basketball discussion

 

[scaryness]

Or was it because Embiid around that time went on a huge tear of 30+ point games and Jokic sat a lot of games at the end of the year.

No one actually takes Perk seriously

He sowed seeds of doubt which grew into the massive recency bias of the following few weeks that basically carried the narrative to the end.

 

[Iceman!]

He sowed seeds of doubt which grew into the massive recency bias of the following few weeks that basically carried the narrative to the end.

Nah don't buy that, when they segment happened everyone unified in shitting on Perk.

Jokic and the Nuggets had a down patch, Clips went viral of Jokic getting absolutely abused on defence in that stretch. That is what shifted voters minds. Heck even still most voters were saying it was up in the air right to the end but Jokic sat that last stretch of games and Embiid dropped 50 on the Celtics. The media had nothing to do with Jokic not winning it.

 

[mickelboy182]

Jokic really didn't have a lean spell either, the rest of the team was just horrid. Jokic was putting up the same performances he had all year.

 

[Warsaw]

Exactly, we have a worse supporting cast yet were the #1 seed in the West. That's not an argument for Embiid's case.

Philli play better without Embiid. Look what happened today, he comes back and they get blasted.

That's not a too small sample size.

The stats absolutely back up Joker's case for the MVP. But numbnut media heads like Nick Wrong have been shitting on the Joker all season and pumping up Embiid, driving the narrative.

Don't think I've ever seen this much of an overreaction to 1 game for a guy coming back 1 week on a 4-5 week injury.

This idea that the Sixers play better without him is one of the dumbest things I've seen brought up on this site.

Sixers knew when to rest him against weak opponents. Teams that any good team should be beating when they don't have their best players.

Meanwhile, Denver were a sub-500 team away from home all season, playing in one of the weakest performing conferences in recent history.

 

[Warsaw]

Embiid just sitting his ass in the paint meaning Harden and co can only be a spot up shooter. This wont work when you got 2 good defensive bigs in Horford and Williams in a series

4.8 touches in the paint. The lowest in his entire career.

Tell me you don't watch Embiid play without telling me you don't watch Embiid play.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

4.8 touches in the paint. The lowest in his entire career.

Tell me you don't watch Embiid play without telling me you don't watch Embiid play.

Oh he sits there but then moves to the elbow to grab it otherwise. Embiid catches the ball with his back to the basket a lot. Being 1.5cm away from the paint doesn’t change that

 

[DT_35]

Don't think I've ever seen this much of an overreaction to 1 game for a guy coming back 1 week on a 4-5 week injury.

This idea that the Sixers play better without him is one of the dumbest things I've seen brought up on this site.

Sixers knew when to rest him against weak opponents. Teams that any good team should be beating when they don't have their best players.

Meanwhile, Denver were a sub-500 team away from home all season, playing in one of the weakest performing conferences in recent history.

4-5 week injury?

 

[Warsaw]

4-5 week injury?

What i love about you is that you’re such a throwback. Like those days when you’d pop on a headset to play COD or whatever only to find yourself listening to some preteen recite DMX lyrics but only the nouns. It’s cute.

 

[DT_35]

What i love about you is that you’re such a throwback. Like those days when you’d pop on a headset to play COD or whatever only to find yourself listening to some preteen recite DMX lyrics but only the nouns. It’s cute.

Way to answer the question