Fantasy 2022 - EMPIRE League - Discussion

[TheGreatBarryB]

Its not as bad as you think. QBs barely changed. Burrow is more a one out of the box than the norm. Brady went up around 8%

Huh? All my offensive players have gone down 10% so assume as have most others.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Defense isnt dominant at all. The whole thing was about balance when setting up the league and thats still true. Offense is still scoring more than defense. It just needed adjustments here and there, some things out of whack, some were errors fixed, some were algorithms tweaked by 0.01.

Still the same concept and same ranges exist....

200-300 = offense, with the top at each position pushing thru to 350-400.

150-200 = defense, with just a few all-world players pushing that to 250-300.

100-150 = kickers/punters.

What that means is that all the average/meh players across offense and defense reflect each other. Thats where the balance shows. Bring up the page all players together ranked from top to bottom, score wise, and you cant argue that kupp, allen, brady, rodgers, j.taylor, kelce, adams, chase, donald, watt, parsons, heyward, and such names in the top 30 or so fairly accurately reflect their status as elite players that season at their positions, and nothing extremely out of whack score wise. And then scrolling down to the 50 or so range, and seeing average players at QB, WR, LB, etc all fairly accurately reflected ranking wise.

I didnt make defense better than it was. I re-assessed the regularity of NFL stats over the last five years (tackles, passes defensed, hits, tackles for loss, etc) and tweaked algorithms like 0.01 here and there so the IDPs re-balanced between themselves.

The new scoring result is that DEs and ILBs score a little better than they used to, DTs score a little less than they used to...but still that range of 150-200-ish for the above average to top IDPs.

Instead of the top range DTs being 170-250, DEs and ILBS being 120-150, S being 150-200, CBs being 130-160....theyre now 150-200-ish more uniformally.

IDPs who have mvp seasons like donald and watt break thru the ceiling of their peers and score 270-300. Just like Kupp at WR with an mvp season breaks thru the ceiling of his peers (200-300) and scores 397. That still existed before but things arent out of whack like they were previous seasons.

You do a great job running the comp but you cant just change a comp on your whim. And they’re substantial enough changes

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Huh? All my offensive players have gone down 10% so assume as have most others.

Nah, majority of mine went up

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Nah, majority of mine went up

Shows how shit your team is

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Herbert +5
Foreman +9
Aiyuk +17
Godwin =
Moore =
Waddle +12
Engram +4
Everett +3
Hooper =
Jordan =
Schultz +16

Not a single one went down.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Shows how shit your team is

So what youre really crying about is that its affected your team, dont lump everyone else in with your little whinge

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Herbert +5
Foreman +9
Aiyuk +17
Godwin =
Moore =
Waddle +12
Engram +4
Everett +3
Hooper =
Jordan =
Schultz +16

Not a single one went down.

Burrow -46
Ryan -43
Jefferson -31
Kupp -36
Ertz -16
Gesicki -16
Kelce -25
Moore -11
Davis -10

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

So what youre really crying about is that its affected your team, dont lump everyone else in with your little whinge

How could it effect my team and no one else?

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Burrow -46
Ryan -43
Jefferson -31
Kupp -36
Ertz -16
Gesicki -16
Kelce -25
Moore -11
Davis -10

what are you talking about? Jefferson is +30. The point totals in the rosters are what they'd score this year, you've got it the wrong way around

 

[Exe Gesis]

Most of the offensive changes are a result of typos (a 5 instead of 2) and stats doubled up at two different sections that were all confusingly arranged. They were errors, inflated or deflated all these years. Defense, again, i only adjusted among themselves, but it was thru science and maths not arbitrary numbers (fully re-analyzing defensive stats and tweaking algorithms).

The thing is youre dramatizing it all like its a changed league. But all the good players are still the good players and all the bad players are still the bad players, and theyre all still ranked and relative to each other like they were before...bad players arent scoring better and good players aren't scoring less.... they're all STILL scoring relative to each other as they did before.

To put it crudely and incorrectly....400 last year is 350 now. 350 last year is 300 now. 150 last year is 100 now. Scoring may have changed, but the difference between good and bad is still reflected similarly

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

I really wouldnt stress yet Bazz , the MFL system throws up weird numbers that don't make sense, been over this with GG in a PM last week regarding totals and contracts, compare stats after week 1 to see if there is a problem

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

If everyone's totals go down it actually only helps the good teams btw, given their gun players contracts are cheaper and the cap has increased.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

To put it crudely and incorrectly....400 last year is 350 now. 350 last year is 300 now. 150 last year is 100 now. Scoring may have changed, but the difference between good and bad is still reflected similarly

Yeah for offensive players but defensive haven’t changed. You’ve clearly flipped to more defensive.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

If everyone's totals go down it actually only helps the good teams btw, given their gun players contracts are cheaper and the cap has increased.

I think you have it wrong. Take Kupp as he’s a FA. He scored 458 last season so he’s new salary reflects that $9.1m. But he’s now showing 422 points ..so his salary should be $8.4m. GG agrees with me that off scores have gone down.

 

[Exe Gesis]

MFL is glitching with displayed points totals. But i do think offense stats went down in some areas and went up in some areas with the adjustments....typos and things added that werent supposed to be added caused inflation/deflation now removed.

They were all unintentional errors that had to be fixed once i noticed them this off season. Couldnt let them keep existing.

Thats how it started. I noticed it, fixed them. While i was there, re-areanged the groupings, tidied that up, went over last five years NFL def stats to correct imbalances among themselves -- DE and ILB up a little, DT down a little, among themselves not outside of IDPs.

In short, the great takeaway is ....all the good/best and meh/bad players are still the good/best and meh/bad players on O and D, and their relative ranking is all the same as it was before. There may be a slight drop on O, say, but all O are absorbing that same drop

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

I think you have it wrong. Take Kupp as he’s a FA. He scored 458 last season so he’s new salary reflects that $9.1m. But he’s now showing 422 points ..so his salary should be $8.4m. GG agrees with me that off scores have gone down.

I had similar issue with Christian Wilkins, going thru my contracts, thought I was overpaying, but I'm not. MFL system is spitting out weird numbers. If you go off the correct numbers in the spreadsheet on the first page you'll see it match's up.

I did say a few pages back that I can't remember GG saying he'd change some things this year but apparently he did. So bad luck us I guess.

I do agree that we need to be told in the opening post of the Empire thread scoring changes he plans on making or something , would be easy to find for everyone.

 

[Exe Gesis]

I think you have it wrong. Take Kupp as he’s a FA. He scored 458 last season so he’s new salary reflects that $9.1m. But he’s now showing 422 points ..so his salary should be $8.4m. GG agrees with me that off scores have gone down.

Salaries...i explained that before. 2023 FAs and off-contract players will get new salaries based on 2022. Old inflated salaries will be weened off sooner than later in a year or two.

Salary effect long term....theyll go down from what they used to be. Offense down say 200-900k, DE/ILB up say 200k.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

I did say a few pages back that I can't remember GG saying he'd change some things this year but apparently he did. So bad luck us I guess.

I do agree that we need to be told in an opening post for the year scoring changes he plans on making , would be easy to find for everyone.

Sorry I’ve never been in a comp where changes are made without majority approval …and these aren’t minor

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Salaries...i explained that before. 2023 FAs and off-contract players will get new salaries based on 2022. Old inflated salaries will be weened off sooner than later in a year or two.

Salary effect long term....theyll go down from what they used to be. Offense down say 200-900k, DE/ILB up say 200k.

Nah need approval by 12 of 16 owners for changes just like Alpha.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Sorry I’ve never been in a comp where changes are made without majority approval …and these aren’t minor

It's a fair point, but he tinkers with them practically every year I think, so it kind of looks funny when you kick up a stink coming off a championship. Makes you look like you're only looking after your own self interests , not anyone elses.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

But I'm down for a vote moving forward.

 

[Exe Gesis]

There are tons of rule changes i make every year on the fly as executive decision as commish when even one person points out a flaw, a problem, a loophole, or suggestion. Eg....comp picks, comp pick adjustments, no cap relief for retired/suspended, getting rid of contract year cap (we used to have a cap total on contract years across the entire roster), increasing cap to 100m this season, adding auction bids spent against cap space (never existed), reducing all FA contracts to 1 yr before start of season ...etc etc ...there have been so many changes year to year without votes, just whenever someone has a good idea, a new suggestion, an inprovement, remove a loophole, etc, i enact it on the fly executive decision. This isbt alpha therefore

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

It's a fair point, but he tinkers with them practically every year I think, so it kind of looks funny when you kick up a stink coming off a championship. Makes you look like you're only looking after your own self interests , not anyone elses.

I can’t be farked checking other teams. How can I anyway now scores have changed. Only way I’ve picked it up is because I copy and pasted a while ago into a spreadsheet. I do that every season around auction and have never noticed differences like this.

I assumed it would impact everyone if it impacted me, not sure what it’s got to do with winning last season.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

There are tons of rule changes i make every year on the fly as executive decision as commish when even one person points out a flaw, a problem, a loophole, or suggestion. Eg....comp picks, comp pick adjustments, no cap relief for retired/suspended, getting rid of contract year cap (we used to have a cap total on contract years across the entire roster), increasing cap to 100m this season, adding auction bids spent against cap space (never existed), reducing all FA contracts to 1 yr before start of season ...etc etc ...there have been so many changes year to year without votes, just whenever someone has a good idea, a new suggestion, an inprovement, remove a loophole, etc, i enact it on the fly executive decision. This isbt alpha therefore

That’s loopholes and problems. This is whole points system and don’t think it’s ever impacted like this.

 

[Exe Gesis]

That’s loopholes and problems. This is whole points system and don’t think it’s ever impacted like this.

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