Position 2022 Fantasy Rookies

[WaynesWorld19]

After yesterday mentioning There was no content on Elijah Hollands.

He happens to re-sign today and had a nice little 3 minute interview, saying he playing midfield and bit of wing and some time down. Back.

Still building his foundations so prob won’t be round 1

Do you have a link to the interview please ?

 

[Neale4brownlow]

Just on the basis of most likely rookies for round 1 and what I’ve gleaned from the many brilliant training reports from Big Footy posters, my team underwent a fair bit of change last night.

No one that wasn’t already on my short list came in but it’s the structure that was different.

As many of you would know there is plenty of Fantasy talk on social media and now excellent podcasts as well and plenty of well performed coaches give their thoughts on all things and many have talked about structure.

The consensus seems to be that you want a certain amount of keepers and the experts also seem fairly rigid about the breakdown of keepers per line. The midfield being the heaviest as you would expect. The popular figure in there would be, five.

I (a person who has never finished top 100) has said on here and amongst friends that the structure should depend on where you place your rookies. Do that first. You can’t afford to miss the best cash cows, and every year they are there; you need to sort the good job security cows from the one week wonders such as Toby Bedford.

Who? you ask. Exactly.

I say, put your best rookies in place in order to maximise their potential and then fill in the rest of the spots.

Well this year that idea is starting to look interesting for me. Yes, it’s very early to determine which rookies will start and be reliable, but at this stage plenty of them appear to be straight Mid.

My structure at the moment, as far as (assumed, predicted, fingers crossed) keepers go is

3, 3, 1, 5.

And, actually, I could go further on the forwards as I still don’t have Taranto or Dusty or Heeney and there are others. They could all be top 6 – 8 forwards. So it’s a guess as to which are keepers but I’m happy with mine.

While it looks a bit thin having only three premium mids; if that’s what the rookie roll out leaves you, I am comfortable with that. If it stays as it looks to me, I can see many teams leaving out gun rookie mids to even out their lines, in the process missing an JHF or an Erasmus or a Goater or a Ward because of a perception of too many in the mids. Not to mention that they are top priced as well.

We will see in six weeks or so but I hope it stays as it is because there appears to be enough rookies for us already, but will coaches be adventurous enough have them dominate one line. As I said, I have seven in the mids currently, but while they may seem bonkers to some, I really don’t see how the percentage of one line matters; it’s the percentage of your overall thirty players that is important, in my opinion.

It comes down to that balancing act.

But generally speaking rookies are 2 max in defense/forward and 3 in midfield.

Depending on who's available at round 1 we might be forced to go 4 rookies in the midfield. But it comes with risk that you need 6 rookie midfield dots for 6-8weeks (4 on field, 2 on bench). If any get dropped there may not necessarily be any replacements.

Midfield premos is where the majority of the points comes from. The uber premo mids are in a league of their own in terms of scoring.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

It comes down to that balancing act.

But generally speaking rookies are 2 max in defense/forward and 3 in midfield.

Depending on who's available at round 1 we might be forced to go 4 rookies in the midfield. But it comes with risk that you need 6 rookie midfield dots for 6-8weeks (4 on field, 2 on bench). If any get dropped there may not necessarily be any replacements.

Midfield premos is where the majority of the points comes from. The uber premo mids are in a league of their own in terms of scoring.

DPP's have never been as important .....it's the FWD Rookies I'm seeing as thin ....also FWD rookies will score less than DEF Rookies on ave

 

[JDWCE]

It comes down to that balancing act.

But generally speaking rookies are 2 max in defense/forward and 3 in midfield.

Depending on who's available at round 1 we might be forced to go 4 rookies in the midfield. But it comes with risk that you need 6 rookie midfield dots for 6-8weeks (4 on field, 2 on bench). If any get dropped there may not necessarily be any replacements.

Midfield premos is where the majority of the points comes from. The uber premo mids are in a league of their own in terms of scoring.

This is why I'm not sure how to play it this year. Mid premos score the most and are hardest to trade up to but it's looking like we aren't going to be left with much forward or back. In saying that, mid rookies generally score more than forward or back rookies so I wonder if that helps bridge the difference.

For example, if you go 4 rookie mids, it allows you to select all the forward premos that have upside - Dunks, Thomas, Butters, Heeney, Weller, JDG types, then maybe they score closish to a mid premo anyway if they're all playing mid or if you nail the right ones off the bat. Then your mid rookies should arguably score better than the forward rookies you would have had on ground thus bridging that gap in a way.

Dunno. Still playing around and trying to figure out what's the best structure at the moment

 

[WaynesWorld19]

This is why I'm not sure how to play it this year. Mid premos score the most and are hardest to trade up to but it's looking like we aren't going to be left with much forward or back. In saying that, mid rookies generally score more than forward or back rookies so I wonder if that helps bridge the difference.

You're correct .....IMO most Coache's are working on the premise Daicos, Ward, JHF, and co will be prolific scorers .....but if they're not, and you have gone short in your Mids ??

And then what happens if you lose one of those SP Mids to CoVid Protocols ......seems to me, an excessive amount of a team's season success is being based on those premo Rookies

 

[JDWCE]

You're correct .....IMO most Coache's are working on the premise Daicos, Ward, JHF, and co will be prolific scorers .....but if they're not, and you have gone short in your Mids ??

And then what happens if you lose one of those SP Mids to CoVid Protocols ......seems to me, an excessive amount of a team's season success is being based on those premo Rookies

'what happens if you lose one of those SP Mids to CoVid Protocols'

I don't think we can do anything about this. Could happen to any player at any time so you can't really plan for it outside of DPP's

I agree with the mid rookies to an extent but I'm not seeing a huge amount in DEF or FWD. How I have it;

MIDS

• JHF I'm dubious scores overly well BUT he should get forward status after round 6 which helps greatly with structure
• Daicos the same but defence status
• Ward sounds like he may have a wing to himself to start the season and has similar running ability to Walsh when drafted. Not expecting Walsh like numbers but if within 10 points then we are laughing
• If Clarke is named then that's a free hit for us
• Other mid rookies a chance; Mead, Stephens, Stevens, Macdonald
• Other potential rookies that have mid DPP; O'Driscoll, Winder, Hollands, Parker

DEF

• Boyd looking like a potential prospect now but likely back pocket type
• Skinner / SDK / Dean all KPP
• McDonagh I don't see lining up

FWD

• Hollands 50/50
• Evans / Winder potential spots in the team due to respective teams injuries
• Parker 50/50 but not great reserve level scores
• Comben KPP

To me, the mid rookies look like the only ones assured of games. You'd think Daicos / JHF / Ward are almost certainties of getting games since their teams are all rebuilding

 

[RowellAnderson12]

Do you have a link to the interview please ?

Elijah Hollands Signs On

Exuberant midfielder Elijah Hollands has committed his bright future to the Gold Coast SUNS until at least the end of 2024.

www.goldcoastfc.com.au

 

[Neale4brownlow]

You're correct .....IMO most Coache's are working on the premise Daicos, Ward, JHF, and co will be prolific scorers .....but if they're not, and you have gone short in your Mids ??

And then what happens if you lose one of those SP Mids to CoVid Protocols ......seems to me, an excessive amount of a team's season success is being based on those premo Rookies

Agree. Big risk to go beyond 3 rookies in a single line. Even if they all look good in preseason games it won't mean much if they line up in forward pocket in round 1... then get dropped.

Need 1x rookie minimum on field in defense and forward. 2 is not looking great in either of those lines right now.

So it all boils down to, how many rookies do we need to field?

If 5 then the 3 rookie midfield works fine.
If 6 then we'll either need to flirt with a 4x rookie midfield or take 2 in another line.

 

[Neale4brownlow]

'what happens if you lose one of those SP Mids to CoVid Protocols'

I don't think we can do anything about this. Could happen to any player at any time so you can't really plan for it outside of DPP's

I agree with the mid rookies to an extent but I'm not seeing a huge amount in DEF or FWD. How I have it;

MIDS

• JHF I'm dubious scores overly well BUT he should get forward status after round 6 which helps greatly with structure
• Daicos the same but defence status
• Ward sounds like he may have a wing to himself to start the season and has similar running ability to Walsh when drafted. Not expecting Walsh like numbers but if within 10 points then we are laughing
• If Clarke is named then that's a free hit for us
• Other mid rookies a chance; Mead, Stephens, Stevens, Macdonald
• Other potential rookies that have mid DPP; O'Driscoll, Winder, Hollands, Parker

DEF

• Boyd looking like a potential prospect now but likely back pocket type
• Skinner / SDK / Dean all KPP
• McDonagh I don't see lining up

FWD

• Hollands 50/50
• Evans / Winder potential spots in the team due to respective teams injuries
• Parker 50/50 but not great reserve level scores
• Comben KPP

To me, the mid rookies look like the only ones assured of games. You'd think Daicos / JHF / Ward are almost certainties of getting games since their teams are all rebuilding

Does JHF getting DPP forward status actually help though? I've seen multiple people mention it but I'm not seeing it as a good enough reason to pick him.

Assuming he gets forward status in round ~6. Then what? You swap him forward to replace a poor performing rookie there? You add him as an extra rookie forward?

Then you need to replace him in your midfield with another rookie... as we won't have the capital to upgrade that spot to a premium yet.
I guess one play would be if you had someone like Rayner/Curnow/West etc and they appreciate in value enough by Round 6 then you could swap JHF to that spot and upgrade your mid pricer to a better mid.

But any way you skin it, you're not reducing your number of rookies on the ground by round 6.

 

[Gunf]

Does JHF getting DPP forward status actually help though? I've seen multiple people mention it but I'm not seeing it as a good enough reason to pick him.

Assuming he gets forward status in round ~6. Then what? You swap him forward to replace a poor performing rookie there? You add him as an extra rookie forward?

Then you need to replace him in your midfield with another rookie... as we won't have the capital to upgrade that spot to a premium yet.
I guess one play would be if you had someone like Rayner/Curnow/West etc and they appreciate in value enough by Round 6 then you could swap JHF to that spot and upgrade your mid pricer to a better mid.

But any way you skin it, you're not reducing your number of rookies on the ground by round 6.

If you have a DPP mid in the forward line which lets face it most if not all will have 1 most likely more you can just swap them with JHF once he gets DPP and with that line of thinking you pretty much swapping a rookie in the forwards for a rookie in the mids at the start.

eg. Dunkley is forward so come time for the swap you put Dunkley in the mids and JHF forward it actually works out the same exact way as having say.

1 def rookie 1 def rookie
3 mid rookies 4 mid rookies
2 forward rookies 1 forward rookie
Same amount of rookies just in different lines and technically the same amount of premo mids just one starts in the forward line.

Now yes you need all 4 rookie mids to play probably 8-12 rounds but like everything with fantasy a choice can be good or bad.

Also if JHF doesn't get DPP because he has played to much mid i would say that is brilliant as he would be scoring rather well.

 

[Shadow89]

Does JHF getting DPP forward status actually help though? I've seen multiple people mention it but I'm not seeing it as a good enough reason to pick him.

Assuming he gets forward status in round ~6. Then what? You swap him forward to replace a poor performing rookie there? You add him as an extra rookie forward?

Then you need to replace him in your midfield with another rookie... as we won't have the capital to upgrade that spot to a premium yet.
I guess one play would be if you had someone like Rayner/Curnow/West etc and they appreciate in value enough by Round 6 then you could swap JHF to that spot and upgrade your mid pricer to a better mid.

But any way you skin it, you're not reducing your number of rookies on the ground by round 6.

You never usually do though? 6 rounds isn't enough for a rook to appreciate in price, in order to upgrade a premo? First rook upgrade to a premo is around Round 9 or 10 leading into the byes, and then you do the rest throughout the byes and then post bye. For mine, that's exactly how I'm playing it. Daicos gets DEF DPP, JHF gets forward DPP, and then Milera and Curnow/Rayner get upgrades in Rounds 6 and 7 to fallen mid premos

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Does JHF getting DPP forward status actually help though? I've seen multiple people mention it but I'm not seeing it as a good enough reason to pick him.

Assuming he gets forward status in round ~6. Then what? You swap him forward to replace a poor performing rookie there? You add him as an extra rookie forward?

Then you need to replace him in your midfield with another rookie... as we won't have the capital to upgrade that spot to a premium yet.
I guess one play would be if you had someone like Rayner/Curnow/West etc and they appreciate in value enough by Round 6 then you could swap JHF to that spot and upgrade your mid pricer to a better mid.

But any way you skin it, you're not reducing your number of rookies on the ground by round 6.

Why would you not have enough cash to upgrade by Round 6? I think the play would definitely be upgrading someone like a Rayner to a fallen midfield premium while flicking JHF forward.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

You never usually do though? 6 rounds isn't enough for a rook to appreciate in price, in order to upgrade a premo? First rook upgrade to a premo is around Round 9 or 10 leading into the byes, and then you do the rest throughout the byes and then post bye. For mine, that's exactly how I'm playing it. Daicos gets DEF DPP, JHF gets forward DPP, and then Milera and Curnow/Rayner get upgrades in Rounds 6 and 7 to fallen mid premos

Usually most have close to full team of premiums by the end of the bye. Working backwards, lets say you get 4 premium upgrades across the byes. One, two, three four.. at least five premiums in the weeks between 6 and 10 right?

 

[4tune8]

Does JHF getting DPP forward status actually help though? I've seen multiple people mention it but I'm not seeing it as a good enough reason to pick him.

Assuming he gets forward status in round ~6. Then what? You swap him forward to replace a poor performing rookie there? You add him as an extra rookie forward?

Then you need to replace him in your midfield with another rookie... as we won't have the capital to upgrade that spot to a premium yet.
I guess one play would be if you had someone like Rayner/Curnow/West etc and they appreciate in value enough by Round 6 then you could swap JHF to that spot and upgrade your mid pricer to a better mid.

But any way you skin it, you're not reducing your number of rookies on the ground by round 6.

Well that's part of my plan, use Curnow to get a top performing mid (along with 2 x maxxed rookies) and swing JHF Fwd, then hold him there until the rnd 14 bye and upgrade him then. I might not be losing a rookie on the field but I'll be upgrading a 75 ave player to a 110 ave player.

I'll be doing something similar with Rioli and Milera, trading them to uber mids and moving Daicos to Def. along with another Def/Mid rookie.

I could have a full midfield by rnd 9 and still 5 rookies on field, the benefit is that those rookies will (hopefully) be the best ones to field and be due for culling over rnds 10-14 with 4 upgrades planned over the byes.

The thing I'll have to be careful with is that the earlier upgrades are made with an eye on the byes.

 

[Sphynx]

Does JHF getting DPP forward status actually help though? I've seen multiple people mention it but I'm not seeing it as a good enough reason to pick him.

Assuming he gets forward status in round ~6. Then what? You swap him forward to replace a poor performing rookie there? You add him as an extra rookie forward?

Then you need to replace him in your midfield with another rookie... as we won't have the capital to upgrade that spot to a premium yet.
I guess one play would be if you had someone like Rayner/Curnow/West etc and they appreciate in value enough by Round 6 then you could swap JHF to that spot and upgrade your mid pricer to a better mid.

But any way you skin it, you're not reducing your number of rookies on the ground by round 6.

I was definitely in the 50/50 camp with regards to picking JHF about a month ago, especially regarding his role as mainly a fwd/mid that was mooted to be playing 70% fwd and 30% mid.

Having watched him in intraclubs in consecutive weeks (yeah, yeah it's only North etc etc, but I've seen a lot of draftee's over the years) this is an extremely abnormal and special player. In fact, I get the impression some of the recruiting team and ex-players at North are even a bit shocked from what they've seen in the last month.

I think his 2 years at South Adelaide as mostly a permanent forward have given off totally wrong impression of his midfield ability and his ability to accumulate, tbh I can't believe Sth Adelaide didn't play him more in the midfield than what they did from what I've seen in the last few weeks. He's playing the role he played in the u/16's and the SANFL u/18's for North and I would probably revise his potential midfield time to 70% mid and 30% fwd. There's absolutely no chance Noble doesn't run him through 15+ CBA's a game after what I've seen regarding his clearance ability against some very handy young clearance midfielders like LDU, Simpkin and Thomas.

Im going to stop there, as I don't want to seem like I'm fan boi'ing, as I think he's going to create enough of his own headlines against Melbourne and Sydney in the pre-season games, and I'm predicting following those games his % of ownership will be enormous.

But don't for one minute think he's going to be a 14 disposal a game half forward.

 

[4tune8]

I was definitely in the 50/50 camp with regards to picking JHF about a month ago, especially regarding his role as mainly a fwd/mid that was mooted to be playing 70% fwd and 30% mid.

Having watched him in intraclubs in consecutive weeks (yeah, yeah it's only North etc etc, but I've seen a lot of draftee's over the years) this is an extremely abnormal and special player. In fact, I get the impression some of the recruiting team and ex-players at North are even a bit shocked from what they've seen in the last month.

I think his 2 years at South Adelaide have given off totally wrong impression of his midfield ability and his ability to accumulate, tbh I can't believe Sth Adelaide didn't play him more in the midfield than what they did from what I've seen in the last few weeks. He's playing the role he played in the u/16's and the SANFL u/18's for North and I would probably revise his potential midfield time to 70% mid and 30% fwd. There's absolutely no chance Noble doesn't run him through 15+ CBA's a game after what I've seen regarding his clearance ability against some very handy young clearance midfielders like LDU, Simpkin and Thomas.

Im going to stop there, as I don't want to seem like I'm fan boi'ing, as I think he's going to create enough of his own headlines against Melbourne and Sydney in the pre-season games, and I'm predicting following those games his % of ownership will be enormous.

But don't for one minute think he's going to be a 14 disposal a game half forward.

Well that's the biggest Moz I've seen for a while

 

[Sphynx]

Well that's the biggest Moz I've seen for a while

Normally I'd be worried, but he's just on a completely different level to what I've ever seen at North at 18 years of age and I've been following them closely since the 80's, so saw our golden era from the beginning and I watched someone like Longmire win a Coleman at 19/20.

I can understand peoples reservations about someone (even a #1 pick) being described as a part time midfielder, especially after Rayner, but I really can't describe how good he was in those two hitouts without seeming like a biased dickhead. Im now petrified of injury tbh, because I know this guy could be the key to our future and his game style is going to lend itself to plenty of concussions and impact injuries.

I might be perceived for this as a ****wit for writing this after the end of his first preseason. But when you know, you know.

Just wait for the pre-season games with an open mind is my suggestion and tune into that North vs Melbourne preseason game on Thursday week to see what I've seen first hand. There's no better yardstick than Oliver and Petracca for people to make up their minds.

 

[4tune8]

Normally I'd be worried, but he's just on a completely different level to what I've ever seen at North at 18 years of age and I've been following them closely since the 80's, so saw our golden era from the beginning and I watched someone like Longmire win a Coleman at 19/20.

I can understand peoples reservations about someone (even a #1 pick) being described as a part time midfielder, especially after Rayner, but I really can't describe how good he was in those two hitouts without seeming like a biased dickhead. Im now petrified of injury tbh, because I know this guy could be the key to our future and his game style is going to lend itself to plenty of concussions and impact injuries.

I might be perceived for this as a ******* for writing this after the end of his first preseason. But when you know, you know.

Just wait for the pre-season games with an open mind is my suggestion and tune into that North vs Melbourne preseason game on Thursday week to see what I've seen first hand. There's no better yardstick than Oliver and Petracca for people to make up their minds.

Haha, just stirring.

He's not left my team FWIW

 

[JDWCE]

I was definitely in the 50/50 camp with regards to picking JHF about a month ago, especially regarding his role as mainly a fwd/mid that was mooted to be playing 70% fwd and 30% mid.

Having watched him in intraclubs in consecutive weeks (yeah, yeah it's only North etc etc, but I've seen a lot of draftee's over the years) this is an extremely abnormal and special player. In fact, I get the impression some of the recruiting team and ex-players at North are even a bit shocked from what they've seen in the last month.

I think his 2 years at South Adelaide as mostly a permanent forward have given off totally wrong impression of his midfield ability and his ability to accumulate, tbh I can't believe Sth Adelaide didn't play him more in the midfield than what they did from what I've seen in the last few weeks. He's playing the role he played in the u/16's and the SANFL u/18's for North and I would probably revise his potential midfield time to 70% mid and 30% fwd. There's absolutely no chance Noble doesn't run him through 15+ CBA's a game after what I've seen regarding his clearance ability against some very handy young clearance midfielders like LDU, Simpkin and Thomas.

Im going to stop there, as I don't want to seem like I'm fan boi'ing, as I think he's going to create enough of his own headlines against Melbourne and Sydney in the pre-season games, and I'm predicting following those games his % of ownership will be enormous.

But don't for one minute think he's going to be a 14 disposal a game half forward.

What’s your mid break up? If he sees more midfield time does someone like Powell / Phillips start seeing less?

 

[kozi]

Hollands signs 2 year contract extension as that’s how long it’s looking like it’ll take him to get a game

 

[Neale4brownlow]

I was definitely in the 50/50 camp with regards to picking JHF about a month ago, especially regarding his role as mainly a fwd/mid that was mooted to be playing 70% fwd and 30% mid.

Having watched him in intraclubs in consecutive weeks (yeah, yeah it's only North etc etc, but I've seen a lot of draftee's over the years) this is an extremely abnormal and special player. In fact, I get the impression some of the recruiting team and ex-players at North are even a bit shocked from what they've seen in the last month.

I think his 2 years at South Adelaide as mostly a permanent forward have given off totally wrong impression of his midfield ability and his ability to accumulate, tbh I can't believe Sth Adelaide didn't play him more in the midfield than what they did from what I've seen in the last few weeks. He's playing the role he played in the u/16's and the SANFL u/18's for North and I would probably revise his potential midfield time to 70% mid and 30% fwd. There's absolutely no chance Noble doesn't run him through 15+ CBA's a game after what I've seen regarding his clearance ability against some very handy young clearance midfielders like LDU, Simpkin and Thomas.

Im going to stop there, as I don't want to seem like I'm fan boi'ing, as I think he's going to create enough of his own headlines against Melbourne and Sydney in the pre-season games, and I'm predicting following those games his % of ownership will be enormous.

But don't for one minute think he's going to be a 14 disposal a game half forward.

Yeh but it's only North...

Haha just kidding.

That was a good pump up... I feel like I need to buy stock in JHF now.

Not sure how to squeeze him back in! I have the cash but not the positions.

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

Not sure how to squeeze him back in! I have the cash but not the positions.

This is what I’m talking about. You may miss the best rookies due to being a slave to structure.

 

[juddy_Like]

Normally I'd be worried, but he's just on a completely different level to what I've ever seen at North at 18 years of age and I've been following them closely since the 80's, so saw our golden era from the beginning and I watched someone like Longmire win a Coleman at 19/20.

I can understand peoples reservations about someone (even a #1 pick) being described as a part time midfielder, especially after Rayner, but I really can't describe how good he was in those two hitouts without seeming like a biased dickhead. Im now petrified of injury tbh, because I know this guy could be the key to our future and his game style is going to lend itself to plenty of concussions and impact injuries.

I might be perceived for this as a ******* for writing this after the end of his first preseason. But when you know, you know.

Just wait for the pre-season games with an open mind is my suggestion and tune into that North vs Melbourne preseason game on Thursday week to see what I've seen first hand. There's no better yardstick than Oliver and Petracca for people to make up their minds.

Rowell has not left my side all pre-season... is now JHF and I've just pocketed $200k to blow elsewhere.

Appreciate the insights mate.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I've got absolutely no insight into this and we'll probably just revert to more Kennedy or Dow to replace Walsh but maybe just put this kid in the back of your mind.



Future star of the competition. Could be the moment he needs.

 

[Sphynx]

What’s your mid break up? If he sees more midfield time does someone like Powell / Phillips start seeing less?

Powell is going to play off the wing this season.

Noble has even slated some possible wing time for Simpkin in a recent article.

Phillips will rotate with LDU/Greenwood imo.

JHF will rotate with Thomas and I think one of them will be around the ball at all times.