List Mgmt. 2023 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

Key Dates:

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Draft Period, November 20–22

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Monday, November 20, time and venue TBA
• Trade Period (3), picks only: Tuesday, November 21, 5.45pm–6.30pm
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Tuesday, November 21, 7pm until completion
• Rookie Promotions: Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Wednesday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3.20pm
• Final List Lodgement*: Thursday, November 23, 4pm

* List lodgement dates are yet to be made public, so are approximate based on past history and the requirements of the AFL Rules. When lists are lodged, the number of players on the list must not exceed maximum list sizes. At the same time, clubs must provide the AFL with estimates of total player payments in the current and following year, which must prove the club is not and will not exceed the salary cap. (AFL Rules 5.3, 6.1, 6.8, 7.2, 7.9)

 

[SGBeach]

Would be happy to get Himmelberg or Riccardi from GWS or possibly Koschitzke from Hawthorn.

Dont know much about Koschitzke.. and imagine it would be hard to get any quality player out of the Hawks (or North) - they're rebuilding and have truckloads of cash
But yep, Really like the look of both Riccardi and Harry Himmelberg.. I reckon both are gettable too.

 

[Kiama Chris]

Dont know much about Koschitzke.. and imagine it would be hard to get any quality player out of the Hawks (or North) - they're rebuilding and have truckloads of cash
But yep, Really like the look of both Riccardi and Harry Himmelberg.. I reckon both are gettable too.

Still reckon De Koning is worth a look too with Curnow, McKay and Pittonet all in front of him. Works as a forward, ruck or combo.

 

[SGBeach]

Still reckon De Koning is worth a look too with Curnow, McKay and Pittonet all in front of him. Works as a forward, ruck or combo.

yep.. Blues have also got Silvangi who's a handy contributor for them + Mitch McGovern. And, they drafted Lemmey (200cm 95kg)

Blues are stocked for talls up forward. There cap must be stretched with the likes of Walsh, McKay and the recruits over the last two years.

 

[Ticky009]

For those wondering - we have no list spots available & therefore no one is training with us during this Pre-Season Supplementary Selection Period (SPP).

 

[SGBeach]

For those wondering - we have no list spots available & therefore no one is training with us during this Pre-Season Supplementary Selection Period (SPP).

Beatson said we were keen to keep a spot open, but I suspect after we took Owen and Edwards in the rookie draft to fill needs, we used our last spot on Magor who was too good to pass on. Got the impression that Beatson/Dalrymple were very surprised and stoked that he was still available.

 

[Ticky009]

Beatson said we were keen to keep a spot open, but I suspect after we took Owen and Edwards in the rookie draft to fill needs, we used our last spot on Magor who was too good to pass on. Got the impression that Beatson/Dalrymple were very surprised and stoked that he was still available.

Yes, it seems they had very different assessment of players value for this draft as opposed to others.

 

[SGBeach]

Yes, it seems they had very different assessment of players value for this draft as opposed to others.

Any player that gets a right up like this and doesn't get drafted must feel bloody unlucky.
2 x 1st half goals v Allies before getting injured
41 disposals v the SANFL u18 premiers
returned from a 2 month injury to kick 5 & 6 goals in the final 2 games in SANFL u18

It all reads like a draftee destined as a 1st round pick!
I completely understand why some (Hairy Biker) are excited

South Australian Jaiden Magor is one of the most intriguing prospects in the 2022 draft pool, given his projected upside and flashes of individual brilliance across the season. Magor entered draft calculations towards the back-end of last season after he booted two bags of four goals for South Adelaide’s U18’s. Having finished his schooling at Sacred Heart College last season, and playing a key role in the school’s undefeated run, Magor began his top-aged year at the Panthers, where he strung together eight U18 matches. He booted 12 goals in these games and won plenty of the ball throughout, including a massive 41-disposal effort against eventual premiers Glenelg. He lined up for SA in their opening National Championship clash with the Allies and kicked two first-half goals, but unfortunately suffered an ankle injury which kept him sidelined for two months. Magor returned for rounds 17 and 18 with the Panthers and didn’t disappoint, kicking five goals against the Bulldogs and backing it up with six majors against Woodville-West Torrens to remind recruiters of his match-winning capabilities in attack.

 

[Dan87]

Pittonet ain't making De Koning expendable at Carlton. He'll get tossed like a salad if need be I reckon

De Koning would be nice though

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Pardon the intrusion but can just about bet your house on TDK heading to the Cattery this year.

As far as I know we're looking at bringing in Ben McKay with that cash

Things may change but him announcing he's putting off contract talks was the first public indication that he's got one foot out the door.

 

[Kiama Chris]

yep.. Blues have also got Silvangi who's a handy contributor for them + Mitch McGovern. And, they drafted Lemmey (200cm 95kg)

Blues are stocked for talls up forward. There cap must be stretched with the likes of Walsh, McKay and the recruits over the last two years.

Not crazy about Silvagni. He's Blues royalty. Plus I reckon De Koning has a much higher ceiling.

 

[Kapers]

Pardon the intrusion but can just about bet your house on TDK heading to the Cattery this year.

As far as I know we're looking at bringing in Ben McKay with that cash

Things may change but him announcing he's putting off contract talks was the first public indication that he's got one foot out the door.

Geelong and their endless cap.

When was the last time they've had to give up a good player? Only one I can think of is Kelly, and that wasn't salary cap related.

 

[Millky95]

Geelong and their endless cap.

When was the last time they've had to give up a good player? Only one I can think of is Kelly, and that wasn't salary cap related.

And they got way overs for what he is worth in the end

2 season wonder

 

[RUNVS]

Any player that gets a right up like this and doesn't get drafted must feel bloody unlucky.
2 x 1st half goals v Allies before getting injured
41 disposals v the SANFL u18 premiers
returned from a 2 month injury to kick 5 & 6 goals in the final 2 games in SANFL u18

It all reads like a draftee destined as a 1st round pick!
I completely understand why some (Hairy Biker) are excited

South Australian Jaiden Magor is one of the most intriguing prospects in the 2022 draft pool, given his projected upside and flashes of individual brilliance across the season. Magor entered draft calculations towards the back-end of last season after he booted two bags of four goals for South Adelaide’s U18’s. Having finished his schooling at Sacred Heart College last season, and playing a key role in the school’s undefeated run, Magor began his top-aged year at the Panthers, where he strung together eight U18 matches. He booted 12 goals in these games and won plenty of the ball throughout, including a massive 41-disposal effort against eventual premiers Glenelg. He lined up for SA in their opening National Championship clash with the Allies and kicked two first-half goals, but unfortunately suffered an ankle injury which kept him sidelined for two months. Magor returned for rounds 17 and 18 with the Panthers and didn’t disappoint, kicking five goals against the Bulldogs and backing it up with six majors against Woodville-West Torrens to remind recruiters of his match-winning capabilities in attack.

Yes, one great thing about Magor is that he seems to perform well no matter what level he is playing at.

I genuinely don't understand how he fell to the rookie draft as he just feels like the sort of player who is going to make it since he has no trouble finding the ball or kicking goals.

 

[Maximumlnsanity]

I get this wrong all the time - trying to read the mind of Kinnear is impossible. But I reckon the Swans are targeting a Tall forward in the 2023 trade period.


I reckon theres depth in the backline with Gould, Francis & Edwards as talls, and Rankin, Vickory plus a few half back/wingers as smaller defenders.
The inside and outside midfield runs deep and its likely two more academy kids get drafted this year.
The Ruck depth questionable. Ladhams needs a big year, McAndrew may not be good enough & Owen is years off.
Its Buddys final year, very close to Reids final year, Amartey & McLean havnt cemented themselves and are in the final year of their contracts, Logans age means he needs help! Ladhams is a ruck. Paddy is unlikely to play forward, and Francis is unlikely to succeed as a forward.

We dont need more 18yo's. The 1st & 2nd year players are going to be lucky to get a game this year (and next). The Swans traded out last years 1st pick into this year for a reason. Tall forward and/or ruck??

Heres a few options as tall forwards (Footywire)

	age: years / months	ht / weight	games played	contract status
Elliot Himmelberg - crows	24 / 7	200 / 98	38	RFA '24 (pre-agent)
Tom Fullaton - Lions	23 / 10	200/92	19	OOC '23
Tom De Koning - blues	23 / 6	203 / 100	41	OOC '23
Jack Silvagni - blues	25 / 1	194 / 91	99	RFA '23
Sam Weideman - bomber	25 / 6	195 / 94	59	OOC '23
Peter Wright - bomber	26 / 4	203 / 100	109	OOC '23
Harry Himmelberg - giants	26 / 8	195 / 95	127	RFA '23
Jake Riccardi - Giants	23 / 2	195 / 93	29	OOC '23

Jacob Koschitzke - Hawks	22 / 6	196 / 96	36	OOC '23
Conor Nash - hawk	24 / 5	197 / 94	50	RFA '24 (pre-agent)
Nick Larkey - north	24 / 7	198 / 95	71	RFA '24 (pre-agent)
Mitch Georgiades - power	21 / 3	192 / 87	47	OOC '23
Todd Marshall - power	24 / 3	198 / 90	76	RFA '24 (pre-agent)
Noah Balta - tiger	23 / 2	194 / 102	62	OOC '23
Tim English - dog	25 / 5	207 / 103	85	RFA '24 (pre-agent)

list is limited to players older than Logan, but still have a few years of footy left.. Eg Harry Himmelberg will be 28yo at start of 2024 season - too old?
Theres always the out-of-the-box trade.. Eg Naughton who is out of contract end of '24 - can we get him??

E Himmelberg - No.
Fullarton - No.
TDK - No.
Silvagni - No.
Weidemann - No.
Riccardi - No.
Nash - No
English No.
All those guys aren't worth playing over McLean or Amartey. Yes even English, he's a garbage ruck and forward who'd be better suited as a winger.

Wright - Unrealistic.
H Himmelberg - Unrealistic (also better as a KPD).
Larkey - Unrealistic (unless he shows signs of wanting to play for a contender).
Marshall - Unrealistic.
Balta - Unrealistic
All those guys are either not leaving or the club would demand way too much

That leaves two guys. Georgiades and Kozi.

12 months ago we'd probably have Georgiades and Marshall swapped. The latter kicked on massively in 2022 while Georgiades stalled. He's got uber talent but Port might be open to trading him if the price is right. It'd be a little pricey but if we want to make a splash that'd be a helluva way to do it.

As for Kozi, his value is pretty low but I believe the talent is there. Take him in on the cheap like Francis or Paddy Mac and see if he's got something to give, worst case scenario he doesn't and we turf him after a couple years.

 

[Mathelios]

Geelong and their endless cap.

When was the last time they've had to give up a good player? Only one I can think of is Kelly, and that wasn't salary cap related.

If TDK is destined for Geelong, I wonder if we could try and prise out Toby Conway from the Cats? Young ruckman who was a first round pick 2 seasons ago, he would all of a sudden be further back in the pecking order if they got TDK. He's contracted til end of 2024, but he's Patty and Tommy's cousin so I reckon they could surely get in his ear.

 

[RUNVS]

E Himmelberg - No.
Fullarton - No.
TDK - No.
Silvagni - No.
Weidemann - No.
Riccardi - No.
Nash - No
English No.
All those guys aren't worth playing over McLean or Amartey. Yes even English, he's a garbage ruck and forward who'd be better suited as a winger.

Disagree with Riccardi. I think he is quite good.

 

[anotherletdown]

Beatson said we were keen to keep a spot open, but I suspect after we took Owen and Edwards in the rookie draft to fill needs, we used our last spot on Magor who was too good to pass on. Got the impression that Beatson/Dalrymple were very surprised and stoked that he was still available.

Agree, that was a straight up choice - Kaelen Bradtke or Jaidon Magor. I have no doubt we take the KPF if we had an open spot after the draft

 

[Punts]

Dekoning please

 

[Superstar swan]

Dekoning please

Geelong bound

 

[Superstar swan]

I don't imagine we would have a tonne of cap space. Heeney, papley and Mills are all on 6 year deals...in their primes, their managers are not going to let them sign for pennies on the dollar.

Warner will be fielding godfather offers
Logan will also be getting substantial offers to head home

 

[caesar88]

I don't imagine we would have a tonne of cap space. Heeney, papley and Mills are all on 6 year deals...in their primes, their managers are not going to let them sign for pennies on the dollar.

Warner will be fielding godfather offers
Logan will also be getting substantial offers to head home

Agree, we'll lose some players

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Just re-sign Dylan & Gus.

 

[Maximumlnsanity]

Agree, we'll lose some players

Will we though? By 2025 Buddy, Reid, Rampe, Fox, Melican and Hickey will be gone (and maybe Cunningham). Parker and Lloyd will be at the end of their current deals and will therefore take cheaper 1 year deals until retirement. At worst we lose Florent or Hayward which could be more than manageable if guys like HHK and Campbell have replaced them

 

[Dubai Quacker]

I don't imagine we would have a tonne of cap space. Heeney, papley and Mills are all on 6 year deals...in their primes, their managers are not going to let them sign for pennies on the dollar.

Warner will be fielding godfather offers
Logan will also be getting substantial offers to head home

History shows we (and indeed all clubs) lose best XXII players. It’s inevitable.

Having said that, it’s hard to see who among the current crop we’ll struggle to retain, or willingly farewell.

Personally, I see Dylan and Rowy as perhaps the biggest risks. But it’s impossible to pick.

 

[anotherletdown]

History shows we (and indeed all clubs) lose best XXII players. It’s inevitable.

Having said that, it’s hard to see who among the current crop we’ll struggle to retain, or willingly farewell.

Personally, I see Dylan and Rowy as perhaps the biggest risks. But it’s impossible to pick.

Sounds a bit odd but shedding a few might be smart business, we have the depth but they can't get a game.

For example, relax - example only. Say we let Rowbottom go, this gives us a spot for Sheldrick, Magor, Sheather or someone else already contracted and reasonably cheaply too. Rowbottom would undoubtedly get us a first rounder, we hit the next trade/draft with 2 first rounders, 2 second rounders, space in our cap, all future picks in place but no additional positional need.

We have a few positions where we might be able to 'spare' a player come trade time... yes, I'm looking at you Jake Lloyd.

I feel we should be far more tactical with our trading out.... but also find a way to get better value. Mitchell is case in point