Fantasy 2023 - EMPIRE League - Discussion

[A11dAtP0w3R]

It says it down the side of where you set your lineups, 2 LBers must start, the rest is up to you, 2 players of any 2 positions and 1 player of any 2 positions

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

what do you mean? we just discussed it a few posts above. Dagless wasn't aware you could set ur lineup a certain way. Its been that way for at least over a year now im fairly certain

That is what I'm not following in terms of "changes".

If there are any changes, how can we meet the requirement (longstanding I thought) to have 8 defensive starters, made up of 2LB and then a mix (as I described above) of 3 DL and 3 DB?

From the rules on the site for the league:


As long as those are still the requirements then nothing has changed.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

That is what I'm not following in terms of "changes".

If there are any changes, how can we meet the requirement (longstanding I thought) to have 8 defensive starters, made up of 2LB and then a mix (as I described above) of 3 DL and 3 DB?

From the rules on the site for the league:

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As long as those are still the requirements then nothing has changed.

Read my above post

 

[arakaan]

Well I've played this league from the start and the only rule ever for defensive players I've ever had to remember is 8 total and must have 2 LB's and 1 from each positon minimum.

And that has been that way from day 1 until now.

Most people played 3 or 4 S and CB's early on because the original scoring for DE an DT was poor compared to other positions.

If you want proof from years ago look at week 17 2016 in the history and find Fitzroy Snowfighters team

played 2 DT and 2 DE's and 1 CB and 1 S

End of Story.

Your problem if you don't know the rules.

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

Read my above post

So your saying we can now meet the 8 starting defensive players by deciding to start 2 LBs, 4 DBs, and only 2 DL?
Or alternatively by deciding to start 2 LBs, only 2 DBs, and 4 DL?

That rule change has never been discussed so far as I am aware, it was always 8 made up of 2/3/3.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

So your saying we can now meet the 8 starting defensive players by deciding to start 2 LBs, 4 DBs, and only 2 DL?
Or alternatively by deciding to start 2 LBs, only 2 DBs, and 4 DL?

No, coz you cant, it says 1 or 2 for a reason... if you go to set your lineup with that configuration MFL wont let you

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

Well I've played this league from the start and the only rule ever for defendinve players I've ever had to remember is 8 total and must have 2 LB's and 1 from each positon minimum.

And that has been that way from day 1 until now.

Most people played 3 or 4 S and CB's early on because the original scoring for DE an DT was poor compared to other positions.

If you want proof from years ago look at week 17 2016 in the history and find Fitzroy Snowfighters team

played 2 DT and 2 DE's and 1 CB and 1 S

OK good call - I must have never been needing to push those scoring mixtures, in most cases my #3 and # 4 DLs or DBs aren't as high scoring as my #1 at the CB, S De or DT positions, so I'm not sure I'd have ever wanted to go to a 4 DL or 4 DB setup. Maybe on bye weeks it might have helped once or twice but I doubt it.

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

No, coz you cant, it says 1 or 2 for a reason... if you go to set your lineup with that configuration MFL wont let you

Now I am really confused, just when I thought I understood - see arakaan and his post - it suggests you can start 4 DBs or 4 DLs and we have apparenbtly always been able to do that?

If we went 4 DL, it would mean we need to start 1 CB and 1 S.
Same thing if we went 4 DB, we then lock in only 1 DT and 1 DE.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Now I am really confused, just when I thought I understood - see arakaan and his post - it suggests you can start 4 DBs or 4 DLs and we have apparenbtly always been able to do that?

If we went 4 DL, it would mean we need to start 1 CB and 1 S.
Same thing if we went 4 DB, we then lock in only 1 DT and 1 DE.

Since ive been here (2018) that has never been the case. You've always had to start at least 1 defensive player from each position

 

[arakaan]

Now I am really confused, just when I thought I understood - see arakaan and his post - it suggests you can start 4 DBs or 4 DLs and we have apparenbtly always been able to do that?

If we went 4 DL, it would mean we need to start 1 CB and 1 S.
Same thing if we went 4 DB, we then lock in only 1 DT and 1 DE.

I did not say 4 in each position. 4 total(ie 2 + 2).

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

Since ive been here (2018) that has never been the case. You've always had to start at least 1 defensive player from each position

Sorry mate - re-read what I posted, it means you are starting 1 at every defensive position - just only 2 DB or 2 DL total.

That is different from what I had understood, which was that to promote evenness of defensive lineups, we had to start 1 at each of CB, S, DE and DT, and also have 3 DBs and 3 DLs.

I did not say 4 in each position. 4 total(ie 2 + 2).

I didn't say you said 4 at each position, I said 4 DL total (ie 2 DE +2 DT in the same week) or 4 DB total (ie 2 CB + 2 S in the same week. We can never have more than 2 of each of LB, DT, DE, CB or S each week.

The nuance I have missed is that I thought we had to always have at least 3 DB and at least 3DL.

It seems that is not correct, as long as we start 1 at each of DE, DT, CB and S, we can have a lineup with 4 DBs or 4 DLs.

Good thing for me to finally learn after winning the comp twice.

 

[arakaan]

Everybody who is in any doubt. Go up a few messages.

Read only the really big bolded sentence.

Read it carefully it has all the information you ever need for defensive player settings.

That is all you need to remember.

Nothing else.

Enjoy.

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

Go up. Read only the really big bolded sentence.

That is all you need to remember. Since day 1.

Nothing else.

Read it carefully it has all the information you ever need for defensive player settings.

Enjoy.

No need for the snark, I was trying to be as clear as I could about exactly what the rules are.
I know I'm not the only one that thought we always had to have at least 3 DBs and 3 DLs.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

No need for the snark, I was trying to be as clear as I could about exactly what the rules are.
I know I'm not the only one that thought we always had to have at least 3 DBs and 3 DLs.

Youre just confusing yourself, best way to learn is to try and set your lineup on MFL different ways, it will alert you to what combos are acceptable and what aren't.

 

[drd23]

What arakaan has in bold in post #854 is right.

Can submit a line up with 1 DE, 1 DT, 2 LB, 2 CB and 2 S, just as you can submit 2 DE, 2 DT, 2 LB, 1 CB and 1 S

DL and DB are not grouped in any way - there is no requirement to start 3 DBs (either 1 CB/2 S or 2 CB/1 S) as a few seem to believe

 

[Dagless]

So Geno Smith scores me a mighty -2 points, and I wind up losing to Dagless by 0.24 of a point.
Third close loss this season. Fudge me.

And I was pretty certain we still must have at least 3 DBs in the starting lineup - can be either 1 of a S and 2 CBs, or 2 S and 1 CB.
Same with the DL, we have to start 3, can be 1 DE and 2 DT or 2 DE and 1 DT. Jeez I'm a gonna be perked off if any of that has changed in the rules.

Offset by the freebie Ekeler got at the end but will probably end up losing.

 

[Dagless]

What arakaan has in bold in post #854 is right.

Can submit a line up with 1 DE, 1 DT, 2 LB, 2 CB and 2 S, just as you can submit 2 DE, 2 DT, 2 LB, 1 CB and 1 S

DL and DB are not grouped in any way - there is no requirement to start 3 DBs (either 1 CB/2 S or 2 CB/1 S) as a few seem to believe

No one is saying we’re right you’re wrong, that’s how it was setup and probably changed when I was out.

All the big ducks out atm over a fantasy league SMH

 

[arakaan]

Definitely needed a combo of 3DBs relatively recently, pretty significant lineup flexibility change (in a good way)

We'll simply put you are wrong in this statemnet.

It has never once needed 3 DB's. Not even from day 1.

 

[Dagless]

okay king.

 

[arakaan]

Literally ignoring the evidence posted from the historical leagues on the site of an actual team in 2016 not playing 3 DB's with a perfectly legitimate line up but of course they know better.
It was changed recently because I say so.
Karen's everywhere in this world.

 

[Dagless]

Literally ignoring the evidence posted from the historical leagues on the site of an actual team in 2016 not playing 3 DB's with a perfectly legitimate line up but of course they know better.
It was changed recently because I say so.
Karen's everywhere in this world.

Are you okay? You seem very invested in this.

I literally said it’s a a good thing.

Go off though if that’s your vibe today.

 

[arakaan]

I agree the way the league was set up from the start was a good thing. Well Done GG.

 

[Dagless]

I agree the way the league was set up from the start was a good thing. Well Done GG.

Agreed!

 

[Exe Gesis]

It's always been the same, hasn't changed.

Max 8 IDPs to start.
2 have to be LB
Of the remaining 6...minimum 1 at each position (DT, DE, S, CB) = another 4.
Of the 2 remaining to fill... it's up to you if you want a 2nd DT, DE, CB, S.
Cannot be 3 at any position, max 2 at any of the IDPs.

You have the freedom to choose.

List of possible selections....

2 LB, 2 DT, 2 DE, 1 CB, 1 S
2 LB, 2 DT, 1 DE, 2 CB, 1 S
2 LB, 2 DT, 1 DE, 1 CB, 2 S
2 LB, 1 DT, 2 DE, 2 CB, 1 S
2 LB, 1 DT, 2 DE, 1 CB, 2 S
2 LB, 1 DT, 1 DE, 2 CB, 2 S

 

[Dagless]

It's always been the same, hasn't changed.

Max 8 IDPs to start.
2 have to be LB
Of the remaining 6...minimum 1 at each position (DT, DE, S, CB) = another 4.
Of the 2 remaining to fill... it's up to you if you want a 2nd DT, DE, CB, S.
Cannot be 3 at any position, max 2 at any of the IDPs.

You have the freedom to choose.

List of possible selections....

2 LB, 2 DT, 2 DE, 1 CB, 1 S
2 LB, 2 DT, 1 DE, 2 CB, 1 S
2 LB, 2 DT, 1 DE, 1 CB, 2 S
2 LB, 1 DT, 2 DE, 2 CB, 1 S
2 LB, 1 DT, 2 DE, 1 CB, 2 S
2 LB, 1 DT, 1 DE, 2 CB, 2 S

Wild. Must have taken some early league setup discussions to heart.