MRP / Trib. 2023 - MRO Chook Lotto - Carlton Tribunal News & Reports

[Aphrodite]

 

[Magruder]

Martin deserved a week and two would not have been the miscarriage of justice some make out. The intent could legitimately be construed as to injure.

I believe Maynard failed in his duty of care and should have received a sanction. Regardless of intent, he was airborne, tucked his shoulder and went through a blokes head. Said player had no further participation and will be sidelined at least a further week.

 

[HarryFlashman]

Can we please just go to a system with a panel of 3, using precedent, player history & common sense.

Martin was a week - maybe 2 -it was silly - if he had really hurt Blakey definitely 2-3 weeks

Van Roo - 1-2 weeks was stupid & unnecessary

Greene on Weiters swinging arm to the nuts - 1 week - unnecessary & he has form being a dick.

It’s not hard, be consistent, stamp out stupidity with a week, use precedent to keep the punishments similar and relatable.

I’d also like to see people cited for stupidity & poor play (diving etc) - the odd occasion where someone is lined up with an elbow & just misses- u know it’s a dog act, but it missed, u still ping them for a week - i don’t care it missed- if it connected it would be 4.
The action itself is wholly unnecessary

A reasonably competent panel should be able to make consistent decisions that make sense, we don’t need a grading to know what something is worth

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

The whole biomechanics thing is pure red herring stuff.

1. Maynard, in his smothering attempt, has his arms outstretched upwards and angled forward, with hands also outstretched.
2. He is looking directly at Brayshaw at all times, so he knows impact is inevitable (noting the tribunal found it wasn't inevitable yet the expert said he only had 0.15s so it was very much inevitable!)
3. He lowers his arms, then rotates his upper body through 90 degrees, collecting Brayshaw with his shoulder/upper arm.

These facts are largely all agreed.

Yet he could have readily maintained position 1 (arms outstretched etc.) and fended the guy off with one or both arms.

This action would have taken less time than the actions he undertook.

No conscious decision? What waffle is that?

His actual intent, good, bad or indifferent, is irrelevant.

The action was careless, at least, by any definition.

And consequences should have followed.

A stage show, and not a good one.

 

[ferrisb]

I did think of the unbiased option in Sellers myself with the Dominator on any tribunal hearing involving a blues player

Sorry, but the only sensible nomination for a new MRO...

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

Thre whole thing reeks of an orchestrated AFL PR exercise...

1. Christian allegedly threatened to resign when the AFL hierarchy demands it goes to the tribunal;
2. a lengthy 4 hour hearing which frankly could have been done inside one - only two issues - whether the action was careless and whether it was a bump (the second part was determined in 15 seconds flat - that it wasn't).
3. Plenty of facile, rather lame arguments from both sides - padding.
4. Loads of media focus.
5. Pies' player cleared to play, Dees' player (the victim) won't play again this year, if at all.

Sending it straight to the tribunal was clever from Kane. It meant the AFL could be hands off and avoid the outrage.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

The Martin week was a predetermined outcome.
On no planet is that impact grading high. They're saying that it was the same impact as Cripps on Ah Chee!
Chrisso wanted 1 week, so deliberately graded it higher because he knew it would be contested and downgraded from 2 weeks to1 week.
If he had graded it correctly at medium (same as JVR's, although that should've been intentional, not careless), it would've started at 1 week and there'd be a chance we could've appealed it down to a fine.

I'm not saying it's an anti-Carlton conspiracy, just that it's complete and utter incompetence.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

That tells you the degree of boy's club 'protect our own' that goes on behind the scenes, that was - frankly - in full view all week anyway.

The interesting thing for me is who gets the benefit of the protection and when they get it. Maynard is a much more interesting case than your Cotchins or Goodes; he's not the quality of either player, and I rather don't think he'd begrudge me saying so. Plowman didn't get the benefit of this protection and neither did Gibbs when it happened to them, so it isn't merely the good players that get the discount. Jack Martin's offense was not cleared fully, but what I question is if we made it to a prelim and won - ie, that sanction would've seen him sit out a Grand Final - would he have received a clip at all?

Brayden Maynard 'accidentally' concussed one of his opposition's best players, and his team won the match. One wonders where the justice in that is.

The difference is Plowman and Gibbs play for Carlton and not Collingwood, Richmond or Sydney.

 

[BlueBayou]

Sorry, but the only sensible nomination for a new MRO...

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When Experience counts....

 

[THEYSEEMEROLLIN]

Glad Martin is now available if we make a Prelim but in other news, it's OUT with tackles (risk of suspension due to stupid duty of care responsibility of the tackler) and IN with the Spoil-hip-and-shoulders to the head (accidents and gravity happens, stay out of my way while I'm falling). I hope clubs train to these MRO findings to avoid future suspensions.

 

[Aphrodite]

 

[Aphrodite]

 

[Kruezing]

Shocked

 

[BlueGum]

Sacrosant

 

[agro]

What, no look of surprise and a seat in sight.

 

[Aphrodite]

Sacrosant

From the Martin summation

WTF!

We consider that the Head Impact Assessment is relevant to the issue of potential to cause injury.

 

[BlueGum]

From the Martin summation

Hope the players sue the bejesus out of them. AFL really aren't trying hard enough.

 

[Aphrodite]

Hope the players sue the bejesus out of them. AFL really aren't trying hard enough.

How the **** can the head be sacrosanct for one and not the other who was concussed and had to be stretchered from the ground.

 

[Navy Blues 73]

'Wanted to hit, wanted to hurt': Brayden Maynard

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Brayden Maynard

Age

28

Ht

189cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

11.6

4star

HB

5.9

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

3.6

5star

MG

327.8

4star

D

20.7

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

6.7

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

3.0

4star

MG

417.4

5star

D

13.8

4star

K

8.6

4star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.6

5star

MG

205.8

4star

- the guilty man found innocent

An opinion piece on this weeks events.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

'Wanted to hit, wanted to hurt': Brayden Maynard - the guilty man found innocent

An opinion piece on this weeks events.

Sums it up nicely.

 

[ajb72]

The Martin week was a predetermined outcome.
On no planet is that impact grading high. They're saying that it was the same impact as Cripps on Ah Chee!
Chrisso wanted 1 week, so deliberately graded it higher because he knew it would be contested and downgraded from 2 weeks to1 week.
If he had graded it correctly at medium (same as JVR's, although that should've been intentional, not careless), it would've started at 1 week and there'd be a chance we could've appealed it down to a fine.

I'm not saying it's an anti-Carlton conspiracy, just that it's complete and utter incompetence.

I agree with the incompetence.

Though there is no way it was graded high because it would be contested down to 1 week. If it was 1 week to begin with, there isnt anything realistically that we couldve argued to get it further downgraded. Because if there was, we wouldve tried that too.

Just leave it at Chrisso is incompetent.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

I agree with the incompetence.

Though there is no way it was graded high because it would be contested down to 1 week. If it was 1 week to begin with, there isnt anything realistically that we couldve argued to get it further downgraded. Because if there was, we wouldve tried that too.

Just leave it at Chrisso is incompetent.

i think there was plenty of precedent to argue it was low impact, but not possible if it started at high....

They were never going to downgrasde two levels.

Anyone, let's focus on Friday, Blues a real shake....

 

[Dadda Dave]

How the * can the head be sacrosanct for one and not the other who was concussed and had to be stretchered from the ground.

It's mind boggling..
What ever happened the "duty of care" rule we had ..
Makeyuppy ...

 

[FlowersByIrene]

From the Martin summation

WTF!

The mandatory head impact assessment... right oh.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

I think Docherty was spot on, and I reckon he matters.

Clearly, the vast majority disagrees with you and Doc.

It was all sa contrivance by the AFL to my mind.

Just as it was

 

[FlowersByIrene]

AFL now appealing Maynard? Thought someone reported they weren't, mickey mouse stuff from AFL house. Who is running the joint.