Training 2023 Pre Season

[gringo2011]

I couldn't care less about cordy personally.

Even at his absolute best he's just more of the same B grade key back we have plenty of already.

What we really need is for a guy like howard to really become an A grader (at FB or CHB).

If he serves up more of the same under lyon, I'm happy to cut him loose for peanuts and start again.

So far (hopefully this changes under lyon)... he's shown he's too instinctively attacking and not good enough 1 v 1 to be a gun lockdown defender (ala may or rance etc)

But he's so far also shown he's not good enough to be a real attacking weapon who can hurt teams on the counter attack either.

He's in no-mans land

He's not terrible, but he's also looking so far to be B grade at absolute best as a key defender.

We need a couple of genuine A grade key defenders if we are going to push for top 4 and a flag.
If it isn't within him to do it, I think we should cut our losses and move on

One thing about a Ross Lyon defence is that you only have to do what you do to a team standard, not be elite. I think the combination of Wilkie, Battle and Howard with Coffield, Nas and Paton looks pretty scary in a few years. The defence at times this year looked amazing but fell away later with more entries bombing in.

 

[sasaint]

He was out bodied by Butler in the goal square on Monday. That was my first taste of him.

Impressive by Butler 182/76kg out bodying James at 197/98kg. Maybe James has a few things to learn.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Key defender depth is definately an ongoing issue.

Hopefully the plan is for us to shoot up the ladder this year and either:

A. A couple of our current guys (howard, battle, wilkie, coff) take another big step forward and become truly elite (ala may/lever/andrews etc)

Or

B: our rocketing up the ladder does enough to impress the likes of makay at north etc and we poach a true gun key defender from somewhere else.

If that happened, one of our current guys becomes depth or is traded for a good return.
We would then use that good return to bring in new, better kpd depth (along with other benefits elsewhere).

Point is, it's no real biggie if Eyre is a spud- he's likely to be never more than a speculative project pick even if we do take him.
Same with cordy- if he spuds it up, no real harm done

No doubt Battle and Coff can improve , Coff is the pick of the bunch to become elite IMO
Wilkie is already a very good player but doubt he will ever be classed as elite except for on here and Howard is just a battler IMO and doubt he has any improvement in him, what we have seen is about it

 

[aussierulesrules]

Bloody hell, Coff required hamstring surgery. Thankfully it doesn’t sound too bad, but still, it’s far from ideal.

Our ruck stocks on track must be super-low, with Campbell and Keeler both out for the foreseeable future.

 

[SteeleSaints]

Thankfully the majority of the rehab group have returned to full training, but the other injury news are not ideal.

You have to wonder how a kid just drafted (Hotton) develops stress fracture in his back? Did he have it before he was recruited or develop it in the 4 weeks he was training at the club? Either way its not a great start for the poor kid.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Calf for Zak Jones.

 

[Saint_Dos]

Injury update: Key Saints return to full training as 2023 begins

The latest on Jack Hayes, Jade Gresham, Dan McKenzie and more.

www.saints.com.au

Surprised to see Billings is back with the main group.
Thought he might have struggled to make Rd.1 based on reports on his back

 

[Joffaboy]

I couldn't care less about cordy personally.

Even at his absolute best he's just more of the same B grade key back we have plenty of already.

If you want the best opposition mid fielder kneed in the jaw in a tight PF. Cordy is your man.

My Bulldogs supporting family love him for that and only that reason. (Callan Ward if I recollect).

 

[puppy_dog7]

Thankfully the majority of the rehab group have returned to full training, but the other injury news is not ideal.

You have to wonder how a kid just drafted (Hotton) develops stress fracture in his back? Did he have it before he was recruited or develop it in the 4 weeks he was training at the club? Either way its not a great start for the poor kid.

He probably would have had issues with his back and maybe something during training exacerbated it before christmas.

 

[Joffaboy]

Thankfully the majority of the rehab group have returned to full training, but the other injury news is not ideal.

You have to wonder how a kid just drafted (Hotton) develops stress fracture in his back? Did he have it before he was recruited or develop it in the 4 weeks he was training at the club? Either way its not a great start for the poor kid.

Bytel and Windhager both had stress fractures in their backs prior to drafting. While Bytel has not had the seniors success, it hasn't been because of his back, and didn't hinder Windy in the slightest.

Bad luck but shit happens

 

[bergholt]

Thankfully the majority of the rehab group have returned to full training, but the other injury news is not ideal.

You have to wonder how a kid just drafted (Hotton) develops stress fracture in his back? Did he have it before he was recruited or develop it in the 4 weeks he was training at the club? Either way its not a great start for the poor kid.

Stress fractures are usually overwork injuries, I think? So maybe he was going too hard on the weights at the end of the year.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Injury update: Key Saints return to full training as 2023 begins

The latest on Jack Hayes, Jade Gresham, Dan McKenzie and more.

www.saints.com.au

It seems like Misson is well on top of the individual training needs for these guys.
I'm sure that Walsh is well on top of the actual medical needs for the various injuries, and was under Ratten , but maybe it wasn't translating back to the coaches when the players resumed training.

 

[The_Steadier]

One thing about a Ross Lyon defence is that you only have to do what you do to a team standard, not be elite. I think the combination of Wilkie, Battle and Howard with Coffield, Nas and Paton looks pretty scary in a few years. The defence at times this year looked amazing but fell away later with more entries bombing in.

Yeah, the emphasis on defenders actually defending first and foremost under lyon teams of the past has me optimistic.

I hope he can mould howard into a proper defender.
At present howard does a bit of defending... a whole lot of attacking, and not much pain being inflicted on the opposition when he does either.

My main point is that if it's looking like even under lyon he can't become genuinely good at defending- then I'm happy for us to make a big call and ship him off for peanuts.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Wilkie is already a very good player but doubt he will ever be classed as elite except for on here

I think most who watch him closely would consider him well and truly elite defensively, and that was reflected in him making the AA squad last season.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Their old man is a massive unit. Mitch is the smallest in is family. Nuts

I would say that Mum is the smallest

Mitch is likely taller now as well

 

[botts]

I would say that Mum is the smallest

Mitch is likely taller now as well

Hahaha yes. I wasn’t including the mum

 

[plugger66]

I thought we were a slight chance for finals this year but unfortunately we are now no hope. Dwayne the brain dead gives us a chance to play finals. There goes any hope.

 

[Shinboner1]

 

[austinnn]

Hahaha yes. I wasn’t including the mum

Don't forget his younger brother Tom(oya) who is already 6'6" - and already at Sandy this coming season!

 

[saintmike65]

He was out bodied by Butler in the goal square on Monday. That was my first taste of him.

Butler’s quite strong for his size & Van Es probably hasn’t done much weight training as yet.

 

[gringo2011]

Their old man is a massive unit. Mitch is the smallest in is family. Nuts

The old man looks tall but lithe. The two boys are bulls.

 

[Mowman]

The old man looks tall but lithe. The two boys are bulls.

The brother could play for the storm

 

[Mstr Strokesman]

The brother could play for the storm

Or be a crowd controller on the fence at the Mcg
Imagine when he nails the invader
ouch…

 

[Saintos The ITK]

It should say “Premiers?”. Then whenever it happens, just turn the question mark into the “2” of “2XXX”. Would also work for “3XXX”.

Come on boys I’m trying to be serious here.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Come on Doc, that's been rolled out enough, time for you to get to work and make a new one

Haha gold
First time I’ve seen that one