gubby88
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Training 2023 Pre Season
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It's pretty noticeable, and reading the reports, that a lot of our players are a lot leaner this year. Steele, Crouch and Marshall all seem that way.
Interested to see how it translates to games.
The forward line looks a concern. And that's before Allison going down. He is really up against it now, seems like this injury will keep him out until June/July which gives him very little time to make a go of it this year, and he's coming from miles back. Might be next year or nothing for him.
In terms of the forward line it worries me relying on a bloke like Owens. He's a great kid and I rate him but he is just a kid and has done so little. I think we'll probably end up needing to throw someone like Cordy up there, but hopefully the makeshift forward line works out and we don't have to worry.
Fantastic reading all the reports from today, sounds like the boys are training really well. The midfield sounds like it's coming together. The backline will be solid as and has the most competition for spots.
Interested to see how it translates to games.
The forward line looks a concern. And that's before Allison going down. He is really up against it now, seems like this injury will keep him out until June/July which gives him very little time to make a go of it this year, and he's coming from miles back. Might be next year or nothing for him.
In terms of the forward line it worries me relying on a bloke like Owens. He's a great kid and I rate him but he is just a kid and has done so little. I think we'll probably end up needing to throw someone like Cordy up there, but hopefully the makeshift forward line works out and we don't have to worry.
Fantastic reading all the reports from today, sounds like the boys are training really well. The midfield sounds like it's coming together. The backline will be solid as and has the most competition for spots.
Why would the AFL be involved, didn't Mumford retire and then come back the following year with no issue?
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Why would there be a problem with paddy playing can't we pick him up in the SSP
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Apologies for my Avatar - it will improve.Great reports today joffa, cheers
First time poster so be gentle!
My take on today:
Super professional training regime (great stuff RTB and assistants) - no mucking around & very focussed.
Ground ball work
2 v 2 contests
Stoppage work concentrating on positioning.
Fitness work
Mini Match practice (12 v 12 or something like that) on a shortened ground with emphasis on linking up and hitting targets (Sincs must have hit up Hill at least 6 times who then hit the next target). NWM - impressive.
3x 15 minute Match sim
Fitness work
Positives: Windhager (exciting! - keep working on foot skills - looks like a 50 game mid already - this kid could be anything in the next 2 seasons if he keeps working and has a good run with injuries), Marshall, Owens, Coff (weapon), NWM (beautiful user), Sincs, Hill (kicked the ball well which wasn’t always great in 2022), as did Battle, Byrnes and Bytel. Clark did some nice things.
Campbell did laps which was a positive and Highmore‘s kicking was better.
Negatives: Gresham field kicking, Steele’s kicking at times (missed an easy 20 metre kick at half back to Bytel (?) which cost a goal - injured?)). Not sure Adams or Heath will make it (but only young). Butler?
Phillpou booming left foot but unlike some others I’m not sure he is ready yet - play some games at Sandy, dominate and then demand selection.
Go Saints - positive signs!
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Always good to hear the thoughts of those who are able to get to training.
Seems there’s a lot to like at training these days.
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you'd expect so. it was just unluckiness that had him dropping so many. looked bad for him on numbers but on the eye test the fact that he had hands to so many meant he was eventually going to start sticking them and when he does he suddenly becomes this dynamic X factor speckie taker for us
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he's right though. B roll is the magic to cover up shite speaking ability. why am I cutting to random shots of the food in the restaurant? the owner stumbled over his words.
why is there a shot of this athlete bouncing the ball aimlessly? same thing
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Membrey to play running HFF, Owens to play the Aaron Hamill role closer around the 50, Sharman and the 2nd ruck floating closest to goal. Just a thought.
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Also -- thanks for all the training reports. It's very much appreciated by those who aren't able to attend for whatever reason.
Any thought of having Membrey perform something other than set shots at goal is worth rethinking.
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Battle does not want to play forward. When we got Cordy he said I better not be going forward again.
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From what I see it seems like there is an industry wide emphasis on less body fat and better muscle conditioning. Players across a lot of clubs are looking leaner and ripped at the moment.
For what it’s worth Fremantle have a photo gallery from their match simulation today on their website and they all look similarly shredded and fit.
I honestly don’t think we are going to find any significant advantage in terms of run and fitness. But it does look like we will have enough to be competitive for long periods and so it will come down to skill and systems execution if we’re going to win.
It’s going to be a tough start to the new season for us, and the Freo defense looks like they will have a serious advantage on our undermanned forward line.
The thing with Windhager is he is a killer on the track.
Busted a nut in the match sim, then in the shuttle runs was so keen would jump the gun to get going. Was running with Hill and Sincs and they couldn't keep up. Admittedly Hill ran a marathon in the match sim.
Agree with Phillipou, maybe a little bit more before he is ready, although the forward plight might make a difference.
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It isn’t about an advantage.
The drop in weight is to allow us to cover the ground easier.
It is an RTB prerequisite going back to his first time here.
I posted when he got announced or his first training session.
“Let the shredding begin”
If our boys can’t cover ground and spread. If they can’t get to exit kicks that aren’t pin point.
They won’t play.
That’s why shit is getting competitive at training now. The next thing that will knock a few out of the selection queue….
How they understand zone defence and themselves. I.e how to position - when to leave your man etc
gringo2011
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Realistically he's playing the high half forward role that Wood was playing, not as a KPF. Membrey plays closer to goal. Sharman more of the rangy tall. Probably drop Marshall back at times and Snags, Butler, Owens, Gresham etc all more mobile types. I think it will make us more unpredictable. We really need Butler and Snags to return to their best and 4 to 6 goals between Sharman and Membrey every week. I think if Ross could get us to kick 12 goals a game and constrict the opposition we'd be right. 6 goals from the talls, 6 goals from the smalls and mids doesn't sound that hard.
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It is hard. Only the top 20 forwards average more than 2 goals a game.
It would be very optimistic for either Membrey or Sharman, let alone both, to be averaging more than 2 goals a game to get to 6 between them each week.
gringo2011
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Last season we started the season looking fit but faded. The fitness advantage doesn't tend to last for a full season except maybe Melbourne who got the jump on everyone. Last season we seemed to be the only side who didn't take advantage of the new rules to speed up play and chose to play a much more slow ball movement game plan compared to most of the comp.
To me if we changed nothing and just moved to a more modern game plan we'd be way out in front of where we were. It looks like that's happening at least. Even when Richmond played chaos ball they still trained skills into their players. Same with the Dogs, they train a lot of in-tight ball work like their quick flick hand passing in heavy traffic.
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Realistically Alison wasn’t going to be in the best 23 it’s a horrible injury but he wasn’t taking Kings spot. I also wasn’t expecting a lot from Hayes early on this year it’s huge thing coming back from an ACL
Ross said as bad it was losing King for a while it’s roughly 2 goals a week we need to make up and that it was manageable. Sharman and maybe Cordy have a great chance to cement a spot for the year chuck in Owens we should be fine . Our injury list ain’t that bad and hopefully we get king back by round 4 - 6
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Allison wasn’t going to make the jump from barely VFL standard to consistent AFL player despite a couple of nice marks in a 13 vs 13 practice match in January. His injury changes nothing.
Spot on I think. Sharman will get first crack at FF with chito deeper, he is very good in the air, but his recovery is first class. I think he will be a tough match up. I think there is a chance for one of the big guys to get a game . Seem to be experimenting with Van Es forward. Powerful kid, but not ready.
I reckon it will all come down to kicking straight and taking our opportunities.
gringo2011
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Well add a couple more to the mid and small group and take a couple off them. We just have to hold up until King gets back and hopefully not having King will retrain where our mids kick the ball.
Sharman's first season he kicked 10 goals in 4 games and one was only 39% game time, 2016 Membrey went at 2 goal a game from memory, Higgins 14 goals in 5 games at the start of the season. Butler 29 in 20 games in 2020 with shorter games. It sounds like we are training to spill the ball out the back so hopefully he's a big winner there.
Gresham was a 35 goal a season small forward when we played him there, even Billings has gone at a goal a game. Chuck in a few randoms and we have some fire power still.
