Training 2023 Pre Season

[CaptainRisky]

Thanks for your adviCe.
He adviSed her to get help.

FU;SC

 

[lewdogs]

Realistically he's playing the high half forward role that Wood was playing, not as a KPF. Membrey plays closer to goal. Sharman more of the rangy tall. Probably drop Marshall back at times and Snags, Butler, Owens, Gresham etc all more mobile types. I think it will make us more unpredictable. We really need Butler and Snags to return to their best and 4 to 6 goals between Sharman and Membrey every week. I think if Ross could get us to kick 12 goals a game and constrict the opposition we'd be right. 6 goals from the talls, 6 goals from the smalls and mids doesn't sound that hard.

Yeah I think you're right. Ultimately if it works out, I think it could be great having a different look and then King coming in as another avenue. You're right we need Snags and Butler to hit form, and Membrey to rediscover his form as a goal kicking forward.

I also think you're spot on that we'll be a defensive side primarily. That is our strength.

Also on Owens, I really rate him. I think his getting injured in the second.half if the year really hurt us last year. He has a great eye for goals. It wouldn't surprise me to see him break out as a forward this year.

The whole situation gives us an air of unpredictability to start the year. Fingers crossed it works out.

 

[George]

Allison wasn’t going to make the jump from barely VFL standard to consistent AFL player despite a couple of nice marks in a 13 vs 13 practice match in January. His injury changes nothing.

Nah there was a lot of talk about him potentially starting Round 1. Biggest improvement of anyone on the list this off-season. It's a loss no doubt.

 

[Mowman]

Well add a couple more to the mid and small group and take a couple off them. We just have to hold up until King gets back and hopefully not having King will retrain where our mids kick the ball.

Sharman's first season he kicked 10 goals in 4 games and one was only 39% game time, 2016 Membrey went at 2 goal a game from memory, Higgins 14 goals in 5 games at the start of the season. Butler 29 in 20 games in 2020 with shorter games. It sounds like we are training to spill the ball out the back so hopefully he's a big winner there.

Gresham was a 35 goal a season small forward when we played him there, even Billings has gone at a goal a game. Chuck in a few randoms and we have some fire power still.

We need 12 to 14 goals from 6 to 10 players and we will win most games

 

[gringo2011]

We need 12 to 14 goals from 6 to 10 players and we will win most games

And you know Lyon will constrict opposition scoring so 12 is probably enough even. It might take a while to set up his grid though. We have to teach most of our players to play accountable team footy for the first time.

 

[gringo2011]

Nah there was a lot of talk about him potentially starting Round 1. Biggest improvement of anyone on the list this off-season. It's a loss no doubt.

I think most of that was from one match report by Gabbelich. He took a couple of big pack marks and scored a couple of goals which was a huge lift in his output but to nail down a starting KP spot over others would still have been a massive achievement. Looks like a hit to our VFL squad more than our best 22.

 

[Saint_Dos]

Nah there was a lot of talk about him potentially starting Round 1. Biggest improvement of anyone on the list this off-season. It's a loss no doubt.

Hopefully he has a chat with Coff and uses the 20 weeks to bulk up

 

[BrutThough]

Nah there was a lot of talk about him potentially starting Round 1. Biggest improvement of anyone on the list this off-season. It's a loss no doubt.

We've only had 7 forwards out on the track recently. His rd1 chances were more a result of our lack of options than dominant training performances.

 

[Mowman]

I think most of that was from one match report by Gabbelich. He took a couple of big pack marks and scored a couple of goals which was a huge lift in his output but to nail down a starting KP spot over others would still have been a massive achievement. Looks like a hit to our VFL squad more than our best 22.

Yeah ran a good time trail

 

[SaintsWill]

 

[saintmike65]

I think most of that was from one match report by Gabbelich. He took a couple of big pack marks and scored a couple of goals which was a huge lift in his output but to nail down a starting KP spot over others would still have been a massive achievement. Looks like a hit to our VFL squad more than our best 22.

To be honest Allison hasn’t done a lot since..he’s still an athlete trying to learn the game, footy IQ very low.
Still, it’s a real shame he’s gone down!

 

[saintmike65]

Membrey to play running HFF, Owens to play the Aaron Hamill role closer around the 50, Sharman and the 2nd ruck floating closest to goal. Just a thought.

Membrey needs to play closer to goal, particularly with King out..he’s a natural goal kicker & should be a 40-50 goal a year forward.

 

[sammm]

Dead right , otherwise they would not even of considered him , apart from that at least they have secured Gubby Allen who is not a bad operator.
But picking SOS just show's how much Lyon is running the show.

This late in preseason, with list managers already signed up with other clubs, doubtful they would get someone else.

 

[sammm]

Wondered if Hawks regret departing him now Lewis is injured

Lewis is currently not a long term injury, and the team is young anyway, doubt they regret it

 

[BrutThough]

This late in preseason, with list managers already signed up with other clubs, doubtful they would get someone else.

Wouldn't the December/January period be the ideal time for a list management staff to move?

 

[stavro#4]

Realistically Alison wasn’t going to be in the best 23 it’s a horrible injury but he wasn’t taking Kings spot. I also wasn’t expecting a lot from Hayes early on this year it’s huge thing coming back from an ACL

Ross said as bad it was losing King for a while it’s roughly 2 goals a week we need to make up and that it was manageable. Sharman and maybe Cordy have a great chance to cement a spot for the year chuck in Owens we should be fine . Our injury list ain’t that bad and hopefully we get king back by round 4 - 6

Well add a couple more to the mid and small group and take a couple off them. We just have to hold up until King gets back and hopefully not having King will retrain where our mids kick the ball.

Sharman's first season he kicked 10 goals in 4 games and one was only 39% game time, 2016 Membrey went at 2 goal a game from memory, Higgins 14 goals in 5 games at the start of the season. Butler 29 in 20 games in 2020 with shorter games. It sounds like we are training to spill the ball out the back so hopefully he's a big winner there.

Gresham was a 35 goal a season small forward when we played him there, even Billings has gone at a goal a game. Chuck in a few randoms and we have some fire power still.

The goals need to come from the “midfield committee”

Owens/Membrey/Van Es etc are playing key forward in sims for structure.

Game days will see plenty of rotations between the likes of Steele/Gresh/Billings/Crouch/windy etc

That’s where you’ll replace king and that’s where the improvement needs to come from.

 

[magd2992]

We need 12 to 14 goals from 6 to 10 players and we will win most games

If we can find 20-30 goals a game from 18 to 22 players each week, I think we’ll give the season a good shake.

 

[Ads734]

As long as Toice makes the draft night calls I can stomach it.

 

[gringo2011]

The goals need to come from the “midfield committee”

Owens/Membrey/Van Es etc are playing key forward in sims for structure.

Game days will see plenty of rotations between the likes of Steele/Gresh/Billings/Crouch/windy etc

That’s where you’ll replace king and that’s where the improvement needs to come from.

It worked for the Pies last year. They were hard to play because they weren't going with all their forward entries through one player. Helped that they had guys like Jamie Elliott and others who could convert well.

 

[hayes]

It worked for the Pies last year. They were hard to play because they weren't going with all their forward entries through one player. Helped that they had guys like Jamie Elliott and others who could convert well.

Their smaller forward line should’ve won them a flag in 2018 and they should’ve at least made the GF the year after. We all know Richmond won a flag with one tall forward. That’s why I just can’t buy into the panic of tall forwards going down that aren’t Max King, you can make do with smaller forwards who put on pressure and get goals off that.

 

[stavro#4]

It worked for the Pies last year. They were hard to play because they weren't going with all their forward entries through one player. Helped that they had guys like Jamie Elliott and others who could convert well.

I see it like this.

Ross and his coaching group will have plans around us being a top 6 stoppage and defensive side.

If he gets goals by midfield committee and the game plan does encourage that.

Then as long as we are top 12 attack. We play finals.

If we are top 6 in all 3 areas. We are a real show

 

[bird_man]

A full season before his debut.

2 years before he breaks out and they win a flag.

I'm more interested on how he actually went running lists for years at both GWS and Carlton rather than an off the cuff comment he made in the media.

Over all he made some very good decisions as well as plenty of poor ones. I'd be lying if I said I was excited about the appointment but I'll give him time.

 

[hangdog]

From what I see it seems like there is an industry wide emphasis on less body fat and better muscle conditioning. Players across a lot of clubs are looking leaner and ripped at the moment.

For what it’s worth Fremantle have a photo gallery from their match simulation today on their website and they all look similarly shredded and fit.

I honestly don’t think we are going to find any significant advantage in terms of run and fitness. But it does look like we will have enough to be competitive for long periods and so it will come down to skill and systems execution if we’re going to win.

It’s going to be a tough start to the new season for us, and the Freo defense looks like they will have a serious advantage on our undermanned forward line.

But Freo's fwd line is easily their weakest line, so call that a draw.

 

[hangdog]

Realistically Alison wasn’t going to be in the best 23 it’s a horrible injury but he wasn’t taking Kings spot. I also wasn’t expecting a lot from Hayes early on this year it’s huge thing coming back from an ACL

Ross said as bad it was losing King for a while it’s roughly 2 goals a week we need to make up and that it was manageable. Sharman and maybe Cordy have a great chance to cement a spot for the year chuck in Owens we should be fine . Our injury list ain’t that bad and hopefully we get king back by round 4 - 6

Anyone able to compare our injury list with the rest of the comp?

There's a solid emoji reaction in it for you

 

[botts]

Does anyone know who the new train on bloke was? Archer or Archie I think they were calling him. Skinny lad but quick