Injury 2023 St Kilda Injury Thread

[Dard Ball Get]

Oh and we all know who's fault it actually is don't we


Yup
That's right











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Mastermind behind the Caminiti play bby pls

 

[MordySaint]

Great news on Max

Hopefully back for the last couple of games and the finals.

 

[stavro#4]

The whole point is that he would be doing a full preseason program starting november if they do stabilising surgery now.

A 'managed' preseason program could mean anything up to and including him jogging laps in a sling in november.

No compromise to him showing up to preseason... sure.

But as I said earlier- if we are merely setting the bar at max being present at pre-season training... then we are a joke.

Do you actually understand what a “full pre season looks like” for Max?

Because it is non contact up until a few weeks out from the practice games and even then - Max may only play once.

I went numerous times pre Christmas and RTB was very very strict on contact/match sim.

He will get in a full weight/ strength and conditioning program.

 

[George]

Yeh very few people have no experience in this "field".

Ive have a a number of arthros, neck, shoulder, ankle, back and achilles surgeries in my time (and almost all related to football injuries) and as ive noted clearly my concern is not with the surgeons advice, its with the decision made by the club medical team.

Surgeons dont give bad advice, but they can have their advice ignored or misunderstood though.

Also not writing off finals this year, just noting that winning one final now and potentially derailing the career of a former number 1 pick and best player in our team for one final win, maybe two, versus setting us up for longer term success is not the trade i would personally make.

They don't get it mate lol best to let them think what they want

 

[George]

After all this talk I am now injured and will require a 6 month rehabilitation period.

Asking rub down expert Mowman to work his magic moving forward

Thanks for all your support

 

[Dr Spaceman]

After all this talk I am now injured and will require a 6 month rehabilitation period.

Asking rub down expert Mowman to work his magic moving forward

Thanks for all your support

Self inflicted injuries can be the worst

 

[phantom13]

After all this talk I am now injured and will require a 6 month rehabilitation period.

Asking rub down expert Mowman to work his magic moving forward

Thanks for all your support

Always at training early, always getting the groin worked by the creepy old trainer with the long nails.
I see you

 

[George]

Always at training early, always getting the groin worked by the creepy old trainer with the long nails.
I see you

I'd let him cut my grass any day

 

[phantom13]

I'd let him cut my grass any day

Ditto… never ever had groin issues either #m#magichands

 

[bergholt]

The stav vs George stuff is good, like the Peloponnesian War all over again

 

[gringo2011]

Hayes and Coff suffered completely different injuries.

Agreed with Membrey.

This is however a different injury to the reco for King. Albeit the same shoulder.

Our medical staff seem to have NFI about getting players right though. Are we looking at moving medical staff on. These ones were meant to be good but they have a treble record.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

The stav vs George stuff is good, like the Peloponnesian War all over again

 

[gringo2011]

Experts are actually very rarely wrong.

People who have opinions with no expertise in a specific area are often very wrong.

Well our experts haven't had a stellar year to be honest. I have no issue with King coming back this year. But people getting pissy about some posters preferring the safest possible option for one of our premium players doesn't seem outrageous and especially as we seem to have a medical crew who can't get players on the park regularly and seem to bring players back only for them to immediately break down again.

 

[Parkysp]

Brutal...

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I look at that injury list from March compared to the injury list now and most of the injuries started in pre season and were either A. contact injuries or B. Players with a history of injuries or C. Combination of the two.

Blaming a specific medical group for bringing back players and them breaking down seems to me a path leading to great disappointment when the next batch prove to do the same thing if you're using the same bodies.

Our football department not being able to manage out players with a long history of soft tissue injuries on the other hand...

 

[George]

The stav vs George stuff is good, like the Peloponnesian War all over again

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It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.

The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

 

[austinnn]

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.

The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

Fine words indeed. Damian Barrett's mum should recite them to him every evening before they go to bed.

 

[gringo2011]

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.

The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

It gives it a different context when you realise that it was written about all-male oil wrestling.

 

[George]

It gives it a different context when you realise that it was written about all-male oil wrestling.

You'd know.

 

[Mowman]

You'd know.

Good one

 

[George]

Good one

Change out of your spiderman pj's before you talk to me, little man

 

[bergholt]

It gives it a different context when you realise that it was written about all-male oil wrestling.

Don't knock it til you've tried it babe

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Sure but theyre not NEVER wrong.

And again, i cant believe i have to say this again, im not concerned with the surgeons advice, im concerned with the decision made by the club medicos who have been wrong a number of times this year already.

So the club medicos follow a surgeons advice & the issue is with the club docs?

Or are you suggesting the surgeon didn't advise the club that the best option for Max is to rehab for a month & do the lesser surgery at season's end?

Re: Membrey, he wasn't mismanaged, his degenerative knee was much worse than thought when they did the scope on him. The one week timeline was fine if it had just needed the small clean up that they thought it would.

The other players you mentioned had either totally unrelated injuries (Hayes, Billings) or had issues that quite commonly happen after a serious one (Coffield's calf).

And a heap of our injury issues this season have just been bad flipping luck.

In what cases have the club docs been found to have been wrong in their strategy?

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Maybe you don't know as many doctors as I do, but they're humans and they have opinions and egos like the rest of us. The human body isn't a machine so there are always variables they don't and can't account for. Ask two medical professionals a question and you'll probably get three different answers.

Ah so you know a lot of doctors...

Well that's practically like being one yourself then.

Carry on Dr Bergholt!

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

They don't get it mate lol best to let them think what they want

It's not what we think Georgy...

It's what a bloke who's studied for 10 years, practiced in the field for 20+ & is renowned for being the best in a very small pond thinks.

Happy to back him (or her) over what a layman with nothing more than a senior first aid certificate 'feels'.

 

[FQFjt]

What's the latest on Coffield? Listed as a test on the injury list - is he in line to play for Sandy this week?