News 2023 St Kilda Media Thread

[gringo2011]

Trading Marshall would be disastrous. Not going to happen anyway as he just signed a long term contract.

I floated it a while ago too but got the same response. I think you could trade Marshall out and get a more basic ruck and put his capital towards a high end mid but you'd want a really high pick to make it worthwhile and the sides that need a ready to go ruck are usually at the upper end of the ladder. Unless it was a side like Carlton who are artificially low on the ladder and expect to challenge soon. But they have no cap or need.

If you look around the recent premiership sides a lot of the rucks have been second hand GOPs apart from Gawn.

 

[botts]

I floated it a while ago too but got the same response. I think you could trade Marshall out and get a more basic ruck and put his capital towards a high end mid but you'd want a really high pick to make it worthwhile and the sides that need a ready to go ruck are usually at the upper end of the ladder. Unless it was a side like Carlton who are artificially low on the ladder and expect to challenge soon. But they have no cap or need.

If you look around the recent premiership sides a lot of the rucks have been second hand GOPs apart from Gawn.

Worked really well last time we did it

 

[gringo2011]

Worked really well last time we did it

To be fair the morons went and paid a first for Hickey and a second for Longer to replace him....and they were nearly the same age. Pelican was an unmitigated disaster. Imagine going all-in on trading out for more picks and spud players in an era that the 2 new teams were taking half the best talent out of multiple drafts. Whoever signed off on it must have been as gullible AF.

If you wanted to work out a plan to make sure a side never progressed you'd follow our post 2011 model. If they were actively trying to sabotage our list I don't think they would have achieved it as thoroughly.

 

[beside the seaside]

I floated it a while ago too but got the same response. I think you could trade Marshall out and get a more basic ruck and put his capital towards a high end mid but you'd want a really high pick to make it worthwhile and the sides that need a ready to go ruck are usually at the upper end of the ladder. Unless it was a side like Carlton who are artificially low on the ladder and expect to challenge soon. But they have no cap or need.

If you look around the recent premiership sides a lot of the rucks have been second hand GOPs apart from Gawn.

It would be a huge risk to get rid of one of the few gun players we have for a speculative pick. Maybe if West Coast gave us Reid for him you'd do it but like you say most likely you just end up with an ok draft pick and we've seen recently that high picks don't necessarily guarantee success.

I'm not sure about the GOP ruckman call, Nankervis was a very good ruckman for Richmond.

 

[Nutsngum]

To be fair the morons went and paid a first for Hickey and a second for Longer to replace him....and they were nearly the same age. Pelican was an unmitigated disaster. Imagine going all-in on trading out for more picks and spud players in an era that the 2 new teams were taking half the best talent out of multiple drafts. Whoever signed off on it must have been as gullible AF.

If you wanted to work out a plan to make sure a side never progressed you'd follow our post 2011 model. If they were actively trying to sabotage our list I don't think they would have achieved it as thoroughly.

No they didnt and you know very well they didnt. Also Longer came in the following year and they spent the next 4 years creating hickey vs longer arguments. Trading Marshall now is a dumb as **** move.

 

[Nutsngum]

King is spot on IMO.

No, King genuinely has very little intelligent thought on general football admin and list critisims and if you listed to him for long enough you'de know that he rates lists on short term results. Start of the year we could do no wrong and we were in a flag position. A few losses now and we should be rebuilding. He has no consistency in thoughts or arguments and regularly makes really poorly thought out statements.

He is good at tactical analysis and absolutely knows how the game is played and pulling that apart but thats as far as it goes.

 

[XhazzafootyX]

Death taxes and lloydy swiping us on FC

 

[Mowman]

Death taxes and lloydy swiping us on FC

What he say ?

 

[Jade Buddha]

Injury has kicked us in the balls every year for the last 3 seasons. As soon as depth is exposed we look like we struggle to keep up. Starting the season with a big injury list and having to play kids is an incredible advantage long term. We've fast tracked the development of a whole bunch of kids that probably would have had fewer games if we had the option of starting with a full list. Collingwood had the same issue in Bucks last year. So much depth was added by exposing kids who ended up as upgrades.

Nas, Owens, Windhager, Byrnes, Stocker, Phillipou, Caminiti and Sharman have all added games that would have been hard to gift if a full line up was available.

It hurts now but it might have given us a huge boost long term. We need midfield quality and depth added and we'd look a different side.

Agree with most of that but I don’t rate Byrnes. He’s just a good old fashioned trier but seriously lacks skill and decision making unfortunately. Seems the boss rates him but I’m not sure for how much longer.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Agree with most of that but I don’t rate Byrnes. He’s just a good old fashioned trier but seriously lacks skill and decision making unfortunately. Seems the boss rates him but I’m not sure for how much longer.

Some don't rate Windhager,
some don't rate Stocker,
some don't rate Phillipou,
some don't rate Caminiti,
some don't rate Sharman,
you don't rate Byrnes,
I didn't rate Chito till this year.

What every one of these people have in common is they all know absolutely SFA about it.
Gringo's point was about developing youth through games. Coz that's what you need to do.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

What he say ?

Thought he was spot on tbh

 

[Jade Buddha]

Some don't rate Windhager,
some don't rate Stocker,
some don't rate Phillipou,
some don't rate Caminiti,
some don't rate Sharman,
you don't rate Byrnes,
I didn't rate Chito till this year.

What every one of these people have in common is they all know absolutely SFA about it.
Gringo's point was about developing youth through games. Coz that's what you need to do.

Yep understand his point but I’m just making a point about wasting games.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Thought he was spot on tbh

The difference being that this year we’re doing it with a much younger, less experienced team- Windy, Byrnes, Stocker, Caminiti, Pou, Owens, Nas.

No Billings, Hayes, DMac etc and for a large part of this year with no King either etc.

That has to be an improvement. Can’t just base it on stats alone.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

The difference being that this year we’re doing it with a much younger team- Windy, Byrnes, Stocker, Caminiti, Pou, Owens, Nas.
No Billings, Hayes, DMac and for a large part of this year with no King etc etc.
That has to be an improvement. Can’t just base it on stats alone.

Agree, I was talking Lloydy’s input alone. Need to keep adding great youngsters.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Agree, I was talking Lloydy’s input alone. Need to keep adding great youngsters.

I know. But sometimes these “experts” need to look a little deeper than the nose on their faces.

 

[ScrappyDo]

I know. But sometimes these “experts” need to look a little deeper than the nose on their faces.

It's just fodda for the masses, subscribers who've paid for content. Tonight they put up a graphic that shows some similar numbers between the two seasons on selected statistics and said towards the camera "look, same".
They probably just get handed this crap when they get to work.

 

[BiggerThompa]

I'm not fully buying into the ''last year repeating'' comments, but I sure am worried about it...

If you like these vids and feel like chipping in, here's a link: BiggerThompa is creating memes about THE MIGHTY SAINTZ

 

[Dr Spaceman]

I know. But sometimes these “experts” need to look a little deeper than the nose on their faces.

Media taking a deep dive into the St Kilda situation:

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[Mowman]

Agree, I was talking Lloydy’s input alone. Need to keep adding great youngsters.

we need to keep adding quality youngsters through the draft he was spot on

Hopefully Hotton and Keeler come on next year

 

[gringo2011]

Agree with most of that but I don’t rate Byrnes. He’s just a good old fashioned trier but seriously lacks skill and decision making unfortunately. Seems the boss rates him but I’m not sure for how much longer.

At the start of the year he was flying but looks tired now. His run is elite, he still goes end to end like pinball but has very minimal impact at the moment.

 

[gringo2011]

The difference being that this year we’re doing it with a much younger, less experienced team- Windy, Byrnes, Stocker, Caminiti, Pou, Owens, Nas.

No Billings, Hayes, DMac etc and for a large part of this year with no King either etc.

That has to be an improvement. Can’t just base it on stats alone.

It's also a much harder season. Pretty much WCE have been the only awful side and mostly due to injury. Hawks and North are just off the pack but they'll get any side that goes in napping. Sides like Carlton and Sydney are bottom 6. Both were tipped to be potential grand finalists.

 

[hayes]

At the start of the year he was flying but looks tired now. His run is elite, he still goes end to end like pinball but has very minimal impact at the moment.

He was flying at the start of the year on the wing but looks to have swapped with Hill and is now playing HF. It’s a shame because the ball pretty much never goes down there anymore and that’s a tough position at the best of times.

 

[gringo2011]

He was flying at the start of the year on the wing but looks to have swapped with Hill and is now playing HF. It’s a shame because the ball pretty much never goes down there anymore and that’s a tough position at the best of times.

I was watching him on Friday, was starting high HF which is pretty much an extra wing position now. He was still running end to end with the play but looks stuffed. He looked like he was struggling to keep up. Might be a bit sore, he had one fantastic inside 50 kick and got on the end of a goal chain but otherwise seemed 20 meters behind the players he was chasing. I rate him because his work rate is like having two players in the side even if he doesn't get many touches but he was ineffective last match.

 

[sammm]

Coughlan remembers ‘Spud’ games

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[#gosaintas]

Coughlan remembers ‘Spud’ games

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what a crap article. All out of whack and meaningless.