2024/2025 Gold Coast Draft & Trade Periods

SnakeMan86 · 2024-10-09T13:41:11+1100

Jen2310 said:
Surely pick 6 is way way enough for a contracted player.

Your probably right if you don't want any of his wages subsidised. But if you want us to also pay chunks of his salary then that is where the extra picks should come in. because essentially your getting Rioli pretty much off the books for 2 years, which helps upcoming contracts.

Ben Drever · 2024-10-09T13:48:11+1100

SnakeMan86 said:
Your probably right if you don't want any of his wages subsidised. But if you want us to also pay chunks of his salary then that is where the extra picks should come in. because essentially your getting Rioli pretty much off the books for 2 years, which helps upcoming contracts.

I’ve never heard of his salary being paid by the tigers?
Unless it’s from a tigers fan.

GCS in 11 · 2024-10-09T13:51:08+1100

SnakeMan86 said:
You’re probably right if you don't want any of his wages subsidised. But if you want us to also pay chunks of his salary then that is where the extra picks should come in. because essentially your getting Rioli pretty much off the books for 2 years, which helps upcoming contracts.

You need pick 6 more than we need Rioli though. You are getting to rebuild in a strong draft right before Tassie, if you hold firm and ask for too much for Rioli, Bolton & Baker to the point where we and others say no, your mega draft hand of 1,6,10,14,18, 20 becomes 1 & 20.

You go from a full quick rebuild to more years at the bottom and extracting nothing for your current good players.

If we don’t get Rioli we still have Noble coming and can make finals next year without him

thurls64 · 2024-10-09T14:28:40+1100

SnakeMan86 said:
Your probably right if you don't want any of his wages subsidised. But if you want us to also pay chunks of his salary then that is where the extra picks should come in. because essentially your getting Rioli pretty much off the books for 2 years, which helps upcoming contracts.

yeah for all we know Richmond are buying pick 6 for a rebuild with salary being paid to the player and we get Rioli, could be a great deal for us

SnakeMan86 · 2024-10-09T14:37:02+1100

GCS in 11 said:
You need pick 6 more than we need Rioli though. You are getting to rebuild in a strong draft right before Tassie, if you hold firm and ask for too much for Rioli, Bolton & Baker to the point where we and others say no, your mega draft hand of 1,6,10,14,18, 20 becomes 1 & 20.

You go from a full quick rebuild to more years at the bottom and extracting nothing for your current good players.

If we don’t get Rioli we still have Noble coming and can make finals next year without him

I mean, i cant seeing Noble being the difference between you going from 13th to 8th.. Who are you knocking out?
Especially if Bolton does go to Freo, theres another one.

Yes we need pick 6, but you also need to make the finals... More than you need more picks. Especially when your already getting a top 10 kid through the academy.

Like i said, to me, its all about the cash. If you can take on Rioli, Noble and pay players for the next 2 years, then pick 6 for a contracted Rioli is probably right. Maybe a swap of later picks.

DTLSchulzy16 · 2024-10-09T14:45:20+1100

SnakeMan86 said:
I mean, i cant seeing Noble being the difference between you going from 13th to 8th.. Who are you knocking out?

He won’t be the difference. But we were the 2nd youngest list, games per player still under 90. Year 3 Humphrey, year 2 4xfirst round picks, Anderson and Rowell 24 and Rowell’s year 1 and 2 cut short, he’s only played 85 games. Progression and development. Plus 2nd year learning Hardwick’s game style

Maybe Tomorrow · 2024-10-09T14:50:24+1100

Ben Drever said:

Nuffie list, most of those moves were justified when you provide the context.

Iva Bigun · 2024-10-09T14:50:54+1100

Ben Drever said:

Damning and to be added to

Maybe Tomorrow · 2024-10-09T14:51:17+1100

SnakeMan86 said:
I mean, i cant seeing Noble being the difference between you going from 13th to 8th.. Who are you knocking out?
Especially if Bolton does go to Freo, theres another one.

Yes we need pick 6, but you also need to make the finals... More than you need more picks. Especially when your already getting a top 10 kid through the academy.

Like i said, to me, its all about the cash. If you can take on Rioli, Noble and pay players for the next 2 years, then pick 6 for a contracted Rioli is probably right. Maybe a swap of later picks.

What is Rioli's salary currently?

Jirik13 · 2024-10-09T15:00:52+1100

Maybe Tomorrow said:
Nuffie list, most of those moves were justified when you provide the context.

Yes, most people completely ignore context.

Iva Bigun · 2024-10-09T15:04:07+1100

Maybe Tomorrow said:
Nuffie list, most of those moves were justified when you provide the context.

Delisting Greenwood and Lyons are a bit meh, as is overpaying Bowes and Luko, I can even live with the Atkins contract.

The rest are not great in my opinion

Weller would have been uncontracted the very next year and dramatically cheaper. I understand it was to stop the bleeding an get a good player to the club but we were bent over and he’s a solid B grade player at best

We threw away Scrimshaw, Hollands and 2MP, all were contracted ( which apparently means you need to pay an arm and a leg) but we threw them away and all have proven to have value.

Bowes and 7 is possible the worst trade of all time and was self inflicted.

Rioli for 6 is a bad deal in a super draft, if we are adding 23 then people need to be fired.

I know you won’t agree and I love your optimistic view. To me I see a pattern in our trading and we will never be successful IMO if we continue in the same vein

Maybe Tomorrow · 2024-10-09T15:05:32+1100

Iva Bigun said:
Delisting Greenwood and Lyons are a bit meh, as is overpaying Bowes and Luko, I can even live with the Atkins contract.

The rest are not great in my opinion

Weller would have been uncontracted the very next year and dramatically cheaper. I understand it was to stop the bleeding an get a good player to the club but we were bent over and he’s a solid B grade player at best

We threw away Scrimshaw, Hollands and 2MP, all were contracted ( which apparently means you need to pay an arm and a leg) but we threw them away and all have proven to have value.

Bowes and 7 is possible the worst trade of all time and was self inflicted.

Rioli for 6 is a bad deal in a super draft, if we are adding 23 then people need to be fired.

I know you won’t agree and I love your optimistic view. To me I see a pattern in our trading and we will never be successful IMO if we continue in the same vein

Fair enough Iva :thumbsu:

SnakeMan86 · 2024-10-09T15:14:18+1100

Maybe Tomorrow said:
What is Rioli's salary currently?

Would be $700k - $800K

Mini GF · 2024-10-09T15:16:17+1100

The way you guys let the imbecile Mexican VFL Media manipulate you is very hard for me to fathom.
It’s not a Gold Coast trait.
The Mexicans are irrelevant.

Let Dimma do his work (he can deal with Cameron and Evans), Dimma has in mind the list that we need.

In Dimma We Trust

Yellow Feathers · 2024-10-09T15:25:15+1100

SnusCG said:
'trade in good players' and 'stop giving away high draft picks' don't really work in tandem.

We shit the bed giving Geelong 7 and Bowes, 2 for Weller etc. but you have to give something to get something and with Rioli being under contract Richmond really do hold the cards

Then don’t go after Rioli?????

Jirik13 · 2024-10-09T15:26:25+1100

This guy gets it. Just copied some text. Plenty more but not allowed to copy all. Worth reading.

Unpacking the Suns’ four priorities for trade period and national draft

The footy world is bewildered at the Suns paying top dollar – in this case at least pick 6 – for Daniel Rioli. However, CALLUM DICK writes, the Suns’ priorities are different to most clubs.

Callum Dick

Gold Coast is willing to go chips-in to secure the talent it believes can help finally break its finals duck, chasing a high-profile trade for dashing Tiger Daniel Rioli

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Daniel Rioli

Age
27

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179cm

Wt
78kg

Pos.
Def

Career

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Last 5

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4.9

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3.3

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2.0

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2.6

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144.9

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So far only pick 6 has been discussed in a potential trade for the recently minted Jack Dyer medallist, but while Richmond is keen on pick 23 as well, packaging them is not on the Suns’ agenda. The standoff between the two clubs will likely cause trade talks to drag into next week.
The Suns have four priorities during the trade period.

SUNS' OFF-SEASON PRIORITIES
The Suns' four goals during the trade period

Land Daniel Rioli

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Daniel Rioli

Age
27

Ht

179cm

Wt
78kg

Pos.
Def

Career

Season

Last 5

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11.2

3

K
5.8

2

HB
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M
2.7

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3.2

5

MG
179.2

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D
8.1

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K
4.9

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3.3

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M
2.0

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2.6

4

MG
144.9

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D
9.0

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K
3.8

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5.2

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M
0.8

1

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MG
160.2

3

Land John Noble

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John Noble

Age
27

Ht

180cm

Wt
72kg

Pos.
Def

Career

Season

Last 5

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16.3

4

K
9.2

4

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7.1

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M
3.5

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2.0

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MG
186.1

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D
14.2

3

K
7.7

3

HB
6.5

4

M
3.2

3

T
1.8

3

MG
149.7

3

D
18.8

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K
11.0

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7.8

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M
4.0

4

T
2.2

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MG
229.8

4

Secure enough points to match Lombard

Amass future picks for 2025 acadamy bids

Any scenario in which those four boxes can be ticked will be seen as a win.

The Jack Bowes

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Jack Bowes

Age
26

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189cm

Wt
85kg

Pos.
D/M

Career

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Last 5

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16.3

4

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6.6

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3.9

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2.5

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MG
318.1

4

D
18.0

4

K
11.8

5

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6.3

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M
5.4

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1.1

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MG
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to Geelong deal seems to hang over the Suns’ head like a dark cloud. No matter how many heads-up dealings have been made since, the average AFL punter still sees the Suns as an easy trade target – and perhaps rivals do, too. But we have short memories.

Only last year they were the envy of the AFL world when they successfully traded their way to a glut of draft picks that landed them four academy stars in the first round.

So successful was the Suns’ draft strategy last year that the AFL will change the bid-matching process from next year to make such a haul infinitely more difficult.

Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

Now the Bowes deal is again being discussed, somehow, as an example of why the Suns would be willing to part with both 6 and 23 for Rioli. But such a package has not been discussed.

And even if it was to play out that way, so long as the Suns ended the trade period with the aforementioned four boxes ticked then it would be a job well done as far as they are concerned.
Gold Coast is one of the few clubs that doesn’t want to get any younger. As list boss Craig Cameron said on Tuesday, they were the “third-least experienced side” in the competition this year.

They played 17 players aged 23 or under last season. The majority of those are in their best-23.

The retirements of Brandon Ellis

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Brandon Ellis

Age
31

Ht

181cm

Wt
81kg

Pos.
Mid

Career

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Last 5

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21.7

5

K
12.6

5

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9.0

5

M
5.3

5

T
2.4

4

CL
1.4

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18.4

4

K
12.9

5

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5.6

3

M
4.7

4

T
2.3

3

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1.4

4

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15.0

4

K
7.8

3

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7.2

5

M
3.4

4

T
2.2

4

CL
1.0

3

and Levi Casboult

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Levi Casboult

Age
34

Ht

199cm

Wt
104kg

Pos.
Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D
9.9

3

K
6.5

3

HB
3.4

3

M
5.3

5

T
1.7

4

G
1.1

4

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10.1

3

K
7.6

3

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2.6

2

M
5.9

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T
1.3

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G
1.3

5

D
9.2

3

K
6.2

3

HB
3.0

3

M
5.2

5

T
2.2

4

G
1.4

5

– and exit of Sam Day

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Sam Day

Age
32

Ht

196cm

Wt
106kg

Pos.
Fwd

Career

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Last 5

D
9.8

2

K
5.2

2

HB
4.6

3

M
3.5

4

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1.8

4

G
0.7

4

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2

K
3.6

1

HB
4.4

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1.9

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1.5

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3

– only makes them even greener.

This may be a stacked draft, but the Suns already know their target – Lombard – and anything beyond that would be a bonus. Adding multiple 17 year olds this year would not move the needle towards finals, but Rioli and Noble might.

With their academy access and priority to attract ready-made talent, the Suns are playing a different game to the rest of the AFL. They simply value picks differently to what other clubs would.

Gold Coast is not Geelong. It can offer the lifestyle but not the location.

It is not Carlton or Collingwood – two established powerhouse clubs in the heart of Melbourne that can tempt players home to Victoria on brand value alone.

If the Suns want to become a destination club then they need to win games of football. To do that, they need to bring in established talent.

It can’t be Dan Houston

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Dan Houston

Age
27

Ht

186cm

Wt
88kg

Pos.
Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D
18.2

5

K
11.8

4

HB
6.4

4

M
4.9

5

T
3.0

5

MG
289.2

4

D
17.6

4

K
11.6

4

HB
6.0

3

M
3.3

3

T
3.4

4

MG
319.9

5

D
16.6

4

K
12.4

5

HB
4.2

4

M
7.0

5

T
2.6

4

MG
279.8

5

, because the wantaway Port Adelaide star prefers a move to Victoria.

Rioli and Noble are two players who, at 27, are in the prime of their careers and actively want to move away from Melbourne. Such players are a scarcity.

Rioli might not be Houston. But he is absolutely the next-best thing in trade period. And for pick 6, which would otherwise be caught up in any bid on Lombard, it could be a price the Suns are willing to pay.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/unpacking-the-suns-four-priorities-for-trade-period-and-national-draft/news-story/ada51de60adec6da75c4c721ed8ef469

RowellAnderson12 · 2024-10-09T15:27:57+1100

Yellow Feathers said:
Then don’t go after Rioli?????

Which uncontracted half back would you go for?

RowellAnderson12 · 2024-10-09T15:31:14+1100

Dew couldn’t land Jake Lloyd, Jason Johanissen or Dyson Heppell and people losing their shit over Dan Rioli.

Yellow Feathers · 2024-10-09T15:33:22+1100

RowellAnderson12 said:
Which uncontracted half back would you go for?

Would use pick 6 in the draft we have enough HBF types.

RowellAnderson12 · 2024-10-09T15:34:00+1100

Yellow Feathers said:
Would use pick 6 in the draft we have enough HBF types.

On which midfielder?

Jirik13 · 2024-10-09T15:35:01+1100

Cont.

Gold Coast believed it was on the cusp of a finals berth last year and fell short. Now, after 12 months under Damien Hardwick, 2025 is make or break.

No coach knows how to get the best out of Rioli than Hardwick.

Rioli’s arrival would unlock options for the Suns. It would allow Sam Flanders to remain in midfield, where he starred at the end of the season. It strengthens the greatest area of need.

And he is versatile. He started his career as a small-forward and spent the first six years of his career there under Hardwick before shifting to defence in 2022.

The Suns made a concerted effort in 2024 to play players in multiple positions. Think Flanders at halfback and midfield and Mac Andrew forward and back. Hardwick spent all year tinkering with his side so that he knew what was at his disposal for a full tilt in 2025.

The 2023 draft crop of Jed Walter, Ethan Read, Will Graham and Jake Rogers will be a core four that the Suns can build around for at least the next decade.

Lombard will arrive in November and immediately improve the forward line. Uwland is a goalkicking midfielder who is already being touted as a potential No. 1 pick next year – and there could be as many as three more academy stars pushing for first round grades by the time the 2025 draft rolls around.

This is the path that Hardwick and co. plans to follow to the premiership he promised when he walked through the door last August.

Perhaps the AFL world still sees the Suns as an easy fleece in the trade period. But they are playing a different game to the rest of the competition and so long as they get the pieces of the puzzle they are after, they will be happy.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/unpacking-the-suns-four-priorities-for-trade-period-and-national-draft/news-story/ada51de60adec6da75c4c721ed8ef469

Jirik13 · 2024-10-09T15:36:09+1100

Yellow Feathers said:
Would use pick 6 in the draft we have enough HBF types.

I am pretty sure Dimma disagrees with your view. It's his call.

Personally I want Powell on the wing.

Pick 6 is another midfielder. 3-5 years development, waiting for opportunity, possibly leaving.

I feel most people don't realize how critical for Suns is to start playing finals. If not in 2025, then 2026 is a must. More draftees will not help us to achieve that. I would hate to see exodus again.

Ben Drever · 2024-10-09T15:38:05+1100

I’m just here for the melts.

Jirik13 · 2024-10-09T15:41:12+1100

RowellAnderson12 said:
Dew couldn’t land Jake Lloyd, Jason Johanissen or Dyson Heppell and people losing their shit over Dan Rioli.

Somehow people forget we converted pick 4 for 6 first round picks last year. How many more first rounders would help us to play finals next season? We already moved on several players from all those top picks.

Just crazy. We got extra 10+ equivalent of 1-2 round picks and people want more. There is a limit to top talent.

Phlanispo · 2024-10-09T15:42:15+1100

I've mostly been following the trade news on the Reddit side, and I've delayed posting my opinions on here, until all of a sudden I have a page worth of takes on the current trade period and all the rumours and wheeling and dealing. I'll just say this on the current Rioli-Noble negotiations:

Even if our list managers became ultra-competent overnight, they're fighting against the reputation that Gold Coast are pushovers that can be bullied into signing off bad deals.
My perspective is that Rioli is worth something in the 13-19 range, and I'd have to grit my teeth if the deal ended up being Pick 6 for Rioli + a bunch of draft points. Pick 6 outright is a robbery. Pick 6 + more? Absolutely ludicrous. The fact that these negotiations are happening at the same time as Noble, a defender worth Picks ~19-25, is being offered for Pick 13 is ridiculous. But what really blows my mind is that Victorian list managers are saying with a straight face that they don't want to part for a pick in the teens for Dan Houston, a TWO-TIME ALL-AUSTRALIAN that's the same age as Rioli.

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