Preview 2024 AFL Community Series - Carl v Melb Wed 28th Feb 6.40PM @ Ikon Park

[DangerousD]

Im very torn between, it was just a pre season hit out and we looked terrible, both were true and we were outplayed last week too. Results in pre season matches dont matter much but as others have said, performance and form do. Our skill with ball in hand was poor and our delivery by foot was as well.

I have really like the look of Ollie H this pre season, looks to have continued to improve, as for the Dees, they are a good side with a strong defence, which we fed the ball and regardless of Pickett being a bell end, geez i wish we had a player like that in our side, great player.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Is it people having an inflated position of where we are at, or more you having a deflated position?

When you see the same issues as last year after “going to work” on them over a whole preseason I think people need to start being realistic about where we are at.


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[bigm386]

I love how our season is over after losing a practice game where we seemed to no show up against a top 4-6 team. Yet the pies getting smacked by North all good.

The media narrative around Carlton is frustrating.

 

[Juice030103]

Keep looking in the rear view mirror. We are in a new season now and with that comes expectations. Our current sample size is small, and while I agree it's only two practice matches. The approach and application has been less than ideal. Surely you can appreciate that? On current form we will not win the first two games.

Gee you are on a roll with negativity today

 

[LanceRomance]

Im very torn between, it was just a pre season hit out and we looked terrible, both were true and we were outplayed last week too. Results in pre season matches dont matter much but as others have said, performance and form do. Our skill with ball in hand was poor and our delivery by foot was as well.

I have really like the look of Ollie H this pre season, looks to have continued to improve, as for the Dees, they are a good side with a strong defence, which we fed the ball and regardless of Pickett being a bell end, geez i wish we had a player like that in our side, great player.

We beat melbourne in the 2022 hit out and look how that turned out for us

 

[Opium]

Gee you are on a roll with negativity today

Performance warranted.

 

[carlton_99]

We beat melbourne in the 2022 hit out and look how that turned out for us

We went 2/2 in the praccy matches in 2018 and then went 2/22 in the real season

 

[Juice030103]

Performance warranted.

It was a praccy match not a final

 

[Worm4]

Nah, I see exactly the same issues as last year after we’ve recognised it and “gone to work” over the preseason to rectify them.
Ball movement (aka skills, were atrocious last night) and forward fifty entries/connections.

There’s way too many on here that have an inflated position of where we are at.

I cannot trust them at all, we don’t improve significantly on last night next week and we’ll get hammered




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Remember when we won the wizard cup and everyone was high fiving each other.....

 

[circusdevil]

We went 2/2 in the praccy matches in 2018 and then went 2/22 in the real season

Oh no!!! We're gonna win 0 games this season

 

[ETET]

For me, I am trying to imagine us playing Pies/Dees/Lions in a final. It seems to me when Harry/Charlie play against May/Lever/Moore/Howe/Harris Andrews

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..etc. We get a small return from them and often v.v. with their big forwards.

Then it falls to small/mid forwards Fantasia/Durdin/Owies/Motlop/Martin vs Shultz/Elliott/Z Baily/Cameron/Picket..etc.

This is where I see the possible gap. Add to this the creativity needed to break those top defences down and you look at Daicos..etc.. kicking into forward 50.

That is why I like Fantasia. I dont really worry about playing lower or mid table teams. It is when you play the top teams we some brilliance to kick a few, I think Fantasia has that ability to knock on or flick handball. I just think we need a few more and younger.

We beat dees twice last year though and both were a slogfest so who knows.

 

[JustaBattler]

Thought TDK halved the contests against Gawn - great signs there. Charlie has beefed up looked bigger than Mays - look out comp - also like he showed a more aggression. Playing some ruck time might give Harry a bit more mongrel - and knock the yips out of his kicking.

Playing O.Hollands in CBB was a nice gesture and Fantasia cameo was interesting too. Cunningham was unusually sloppy on too many occasions. Wilson showed a bit despite being set up badly by more senior team mates - I like the look of the Wilson kid.

A fair bit of confused nuffery going on in defense - which was struggling against a height disadvantage. Thought that the forcing Melbourne to kick to pockets worked very well - those calling for Melboiurne to have score more because they had more shots- need to understand forcing opposition into pockets is pretty much what items have to do. Melbourne marking the long ball against shorter defenders should come as no surprise to anyone either. Boyd and Cncotta are junior burgers when it comes to defending - easy to call out Kemp's 'error' - but Cncotta and Boyd were running around like headless chooks - that is on teh senior blokes in Newman and McGovern to sort out- but I guess they were ebusy holding Young's hand..

My only concern remains the same - the not Harry not Charlie forwards need to lift.

No comment on the midfield - Voss totally taking the pizza out there last night - except to say that Cripps is in good nick.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

It's nice to see the bigfooty turn-around on the debate whether Harry can support TDK with the ruck duties.
Last year it was "no, no, no, we can't risk H in the ruck, he'll get hurt".

It'll do him good to get more involved in general play and increase his confidence.

 

[Soapy V]

Areas I believe we need to improve from last year that I have seen us working on in pre season but didn't see last night

1. Connectivity with forward line
2. One ruck or Two? I reckon if Jack was fit it would be one. If Pittonet doesn't compete hard and is physical he is worthless. Personally I am big supporter of TDK as ruck supported by McKay and others around the ground
3. Kicking easy goals. Last night it was still Harry & Charlie. Adding Motlop & Martin will help but we need to hit targets and pick best option. Melbourne did that well last night
The kicks by Docherty & Boyd last night to players on lead or their own is exactly what we need to do
4. Consistent output of names like Cuningham Cottrell Fogarty etc. Hard to focus on last night but these guys need to do more
5. Defensive set up. Weitering out hurts but I still don't know best back 7. Kemp & Young are worrying. Weitering McGovern Saad Boyd Newman are locks. Williams looks ready and then it's between Cincotta, Cowan or Marchbank.
Cowan is still learning, Cincotta needs to play like he does at VFL level and take game on and if Marchbank players are we too tall. The other option is Durdin? I like him because he is big, great one on one and is very calm. He is a 1% player.

These are the question marks for me to go from Top 4 to the Flag

 

[reg_lower91]

Im very torn between, it was just a pre season hit out and we looked terrible, both were true and we were outplayed last week too.

I'm somewhat the same but I always try to not read in to preseason form too much.

Our form at the start of the regular season will put our preseason form in to context. If we come out and smash the Lions, then we won't give two craps about the last two weeks. If we get smashed, however, it becomes a different story. Context is everything.

 

[Opium]

It was a praccy match not a final

Do you think our forward line connection will suddenly improve in a week? Or our skills?

 

[Soapy V]

Keep looking in the rear view mirror. We are in a new season now and with that comes expectations. Our current sample size is small, and while I agree it's only two practice matches. The approach and application has been less than ideal. Surely you can appreciate that? On current form we will not win the first two games.

"New Season" hasn't started yet

 

[Soapy V]

Do you think our forward line connection will suddenly improve in a week? Or our skills?

When we have been working on them all pre season YES I do. When effort drops everything else does

 

[Aphrodite]

What they said: Hansen wraps up pre-season hitout

Ash Hansen believes there is a lot to be taken from the Blues final pre-season hitout of 2024.

www.carltonfc.com.au

 

[Blue and Silver]

Good Stuff:

H looks very strong as a second ruck option

Razz had quite a few good moments

Charlie got on top of May

Cripps looks better than last year

Ollie looks to be better than this time last year

Kemp worked into the game

Still like Cuningham in the middle

Bad Stuff:

Forward Press did not work, 2nd game in a row

Lost the hard stuff (contested ball)

Motop hurt

Slow entries are consistently ineffective

Melbourne pierced our defense with direct entries which we struggled to slow




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[TheReal99prelim]

This is my take...from a human behaviour perspective

After all Melbourne have gone through; from straight sets exits to the Clayton Oliver

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drama, the May comment at the BnF, Joel Smith, Brayshaw, Goodwin rumours, playing the team that knocked them out last year etc...do you think that Melbourne had any other option but to ENSURE a victory and show that even if it was a practice match, they are hungry, switched on and ready to atone for previous sins????
They just had to win symbolically.
Regardless of our personnel last night, we didn't have the same pressure
We were in 2nd-3rd gear most of the night and they were in 4th all night (yes, i still remember manual cars with 4 on the floor)

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Field kicking in general was poor, made us look slow.

Tbh, reckon this is one of our better lists by foot, so it should improve.

Spent a lot of time playing wide, which was a trap we fell into last year.

Couple of times we went through the corridor it was all bright & shiny.

More of that & we’ll be ok.

 

[HaydossJ]

This is my take...from a human behaviour perspective

After all Melbourne have gone through; from straight sets exits to the Clayton Oliver drama, the May comment at the BnF, Joel Smith, Brayshaw, Goodwin rumours, playing the team that knocked them out last year etc...do you think that Melbourne had any other option but to ENSURE a victory and show that even if it was a practice match, they are hungry, switched on and ready to atone for previous sins????
They just had to win symbolically.
Regardless of our personnel last night, we didn't have the same pressure
We were in 2nd-3rd gear most of the night and they were in 4th all night (yes, i still remember manual cars with 4 on the floor)

Agree 100%.

You could see it with their goal celebrations, chase-down tackling.. even Goodwin after the game was stoked giving big hugs to the boys on the bench.

This win meant a lot to them - as did our win over Collingwood last pre-season (i.e., erasing mental demons). 'Football is played above the shoulders' could not have been more evident last night.

What does this mean for the actual season? We will find out come September. But it was obvious that Melbourne were desperate to win and we weren't prepared for it.

 

[Benaly28]

Who does he replace and who replaces him?

Zac.


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[Benaly28]

H as second ruck is genius.

Tall enough to drag the ball out of the ruck,can seriously run and is actually a good field kick.

We must persist and shelve Pitto for break glass in case of emergency.


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