Live Event 2024 AFL Draft LIVE Thread

[Chief]

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[Sphynx]

The market for picks around this mark has been set at a high future 1st, by North.

It would be incredibly generous of clubs to give one away for less.

Well not exactly.

There was what amounts to be a end of R1 pick attached to it.

Is anyone attaching a F1 to a club putting that up from this point? No.

Anyone offering a F1 at this point will likely want change imo.

Maybe a Port or Geelong etc. Essendon won’t offer their F1 straight up.

Richmond’s F2 straight up will be very enticing deal for the Dogs etc if Jack lasts 3-4 more picks

 

[Northernsoul74]

We cleaned up big time

Impossible not to with that many picks.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Who is everyone rating as next 3-5 best talents?

Speculation on WCE board is that Richmond need a ruck (Dodson) and Bulldogs would take Moraes?
The more I read on Moraes the more I feel he would be perfect fit for West Coast but alot of people are calling for Shannahan as he's too good to pass?

I’m a Davis and Clarke fan.

 

[blaisee]

The market for picks around this mark has been set at a high future 1st, by North.

It would be incredibly generous of clubs to give one away for less.

will not happen

Sellers market, there is no supply, price goes UP

 

[Northernsoul74]

Well we have 2 x low F2’s and 2 x F3’s

Can’t see Richmond and Dogs going tall.

1 of the Dogs picks seems likely.

If Jack lasts a few more picks I’d think the Richmond F2 will be ontraded.

Not sure how keen the Dogs would be on future picks.

 

[.Shotties.]

It is beyond pathetic how we draft with our first rounders, it having been a problem for years now and it seems to be getting worse. We always reach for players and often draft for positions that are not particularly urgent.

None of this is true. Most of our first round picks for the last two decades have been in the teens and a lot of them outside the first 16/18 picks. The hit and miss rate is entirely in line with the picks around them.

 

[MITSUHIRATO]

Let’s just hope he goes better than the Liam Stocker disaster one that Carlton did. These f1 trades are fraught with danger

I think you are overblowing the Stocker deal.

It ended up costing Carlton 5 draft positions the following year in a pick exchange with Adelaide.

Could have been much worse.

 

[wormy]

Who is everyone rating as next 3-5 best talents?

Speculation on WCE board is that Richmond need a ruck (Dodson) and Bulldogs would take Moraes?
The more I read on Moraes the more I feel he would be perfect fit for West Coast but alot of people are calling for Shannahan as he's too good to pass?

I'd be shocked if richmond took this pick. I doubt we will bring in another tall forward because we already took 2. And a ruck doesn't seem worth it compared to the following 2 options:

-Trade pick for a future first to a team who wants either shanahan or Whitlock
-Trade down the order to draft Sam Davidson, then get something back as well

 

[Jade]

Ok I’ve slept on it.

Yep, that North trade is indisputably the dumbest since live trading was introduced, and more broadly, one of the worst individual trades made.

I mean, even if North did better than expected next year, and Whitlock turned in to a star, it’d still be utter foolishness because it relies on luck.

 

[Disco Dew]

Ok I’ve slept on it.

Yep, that North trade is indisputably the dumbest since live trading was introduced, and more broadly, one of the worst individual trades made.

I mean, even if North did better than expected next year, and Whitlock turned in to a star, it’d still be utter foolishness because it relies on luck.

It’s disgraceful. It’s done now and I should probably move on but ****!

 

[boncer34]

Well not exactly.

There was what amounts to be a end of R1 pick attached to it.

Is anyone attaching a F1 to a club putting that up from this point? No.

Anyone offering a F1 at this point will likely want change imo.

Maybe a Port or Geelong etc. Essendon won’t offer their F1 straight up.

Richmond’s F2 straight up will be very enticing deal for the Dogs etc if Jack lasts 3-4 more picks

No, there was a 2nd rounder attached. And as we've seen that can be as high as pick 28.

You're assuming clubs want to trade out. They might, but they also might rather just pick now.

 

[MisterMarcus]

Ok I’ve slept on it.

Yep, that North trade is indisputably the dumbest since live trading was introduced, and more broadly, one of the worst individual trades made.

I mean, even if North did better than expected next year, and Whitlock turned in to a star, it’d still be utter foolishness because it relies on luck.

It's a bit of a Catch 22 for bottom teams, though.

If you just keep playing it safe and doing the predictable thing, you're criticised for not being brave and bold and trying something different.

If you DO break the mould by taking a Big Risk/Big Reward gamble, then you're crazy and stupid and should have just played it safe.

It's an eye-opener of a trade, that's for sure. But at least North are trying something different to break out of their funk.

 

[rgauci]

It's a bit of a Catch 22 for bottom teams, though.

If you just keep playing it safe and doing the predictable thing, you're criticised for not being brave and bold and trying something different.

If you DO break the mould by taking a Big Risk/Big Reward gamble, then you're crazy and stupid and should have just played it safe.

It's an eye-opener of a trade, that's for sure. But at least North are trying something different to break out of their funk.

But there’s being stupidity too, and IMO North were stupid. They could have waited 1/2 dozen picks and selected a slightly different player without compromising a future 1st.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

But there’s being stupidity too, and IMO North were stupid. They could have waited 1/2 dozen picks and selected a slightly different player without compromising a future 1st.

And if Matt turns out to be A grade?

Picks are just numbers get the players in you rate period

 

[PeasFC]

And if Matt turns out to be A grade?

Picks are just numbers get the players in you rate period

Of course hindsight will be the best judge.

history tells you it’s a very big risk. They have given up a pick between 3 - 12 for 27 and a pick next year that will be about 28 - 31 given how compromised next year is.

That’s well below the standard average for a trade of that sort and will look jarring if the Roos don’t have a great year next year.

It will be the difference between Matt Whitlock and whomever will be available at their F1 that defines the success of the trade. Richmond’s f2 will always just feel like the steak knives

 

[PeasFC]

It's a bit of a Catch 22 for bottom teams, though.

If you just keep playing it safe and doing the predictable thing, you're criticised for not being brave and bold and trying something different.

If you DO break the mould by taking a Big Risk/Big Reward gamble, then you're crazy and stupid and should have just played it safe.

It's an eye-opener of a trade, that's for sure. But at least North are trying something different to break out of their funk.

all for taking risks, but you can also just panic. Percentages tell you that trading something 3 - 12 for two picks in the back of the 20’s is unders. Couple this with giving 25 for Daniel it becomes hard to see what the plan is?

Richmond will have a real hard few years, but after disasters with Taranto and hopper, they have got maximum value for Rioli baker and graham who won’t be part of their next great side. They also got maximum reward for pick 27 and will have another strong hand next year. Their plan seems clearer to me.

 

[Hodgy]

Of course hindsight will be the best judge.

history tells you it’s a very big risk. They have given up a pick between 3 - 12 for 27 and a pick next year that will be about 28 - 31 given how compromised next year is.

That’s well below the standard average for a trade of that sort and will look jarring if the Roos don’t have a great year next year.

It will be the difference between Matt Whitlock and whomever will be available at their F1 that defines the success of the trade. Richmond’s f2 will always just feel like the steak knives

North got 27 (late 1st) in a deep draft and get back Richmond’s F2 next year which will in all likelihood be 1st pick in the second round. Those 2 picks effectively cancel out. So in effect they have used their future 1st to take Whitlock.

It really comes down to talent evaluation, if they think he’s worth their F1 then fair enough history will be the judge. Most of us have no real idea of what tall options would be available to them next year anyway.

 

[PeasFC]

North got 27 (late 1st) in a deep draft and get back Richmond’s F2 next year which will in all likelihood be 1st pick in the second round. Those 2 picks effectively cancel out. So in effect they have used their future 1st to take Whitlock.

It really comes down to talent evaluation, if they think he’s worth their F1 then fair enough history will be the judge. Most of us have no real idea of what tall options would be available to them next year anyway.

Literally what I said, we agree

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Of course hindsight will be the best judge.

history tells you it’s a very big risk. They have given up a pick between 3 - 12 for 27 and a pick next year that will be about 28 - 31 given how compromised next year is.

That’s well below the standard average for a trade of that sort and will look jarring if the Roos don’t have a great year next year.

It will be the difference between Matt Whitlock and whomever will be available at their F1 that defines the success of the trade. Richmond’s f2 will always just feel like the steak knives

They are backing themselves to rise a bit, if they finish 3rd last the whole joint should be fired on the spot. They are surely 14th at worst so say pick 6 next year for 27 this year and lets say pick 30 (tigers second)

It's hardly a shocker but there is a risk.

 

[gillon]

Too many people looking at just the number of the draft choice. If North rate this kid as a top 10 pick, it makes perfect sense to do this trade. The optics don’t look good because people will look at the draft number.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Who is everyone rating as next 3-5 best talents?

Speculation on WCE board is that Richmond need a ruck (Dodson) and Bulldogs would take Moraes?
The more I read on Moraes the more I feel he would be perfect fit for West Coast but alot of people are calling for Shannahan as he's too good to pass?

Moraes would be my preference, but I feel like we might just miss out on him.
Shanahan would be the next best available although I don't think we need another tall forward atm.
Perhaps split the pick and take Hamish Davis next.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Too many people looking at just the number of the draft choice. If North rate this kid as a top 10 pick, it makes perfect sense to do this trade. The optics don’t look good because people will look at the draft number.

Even if they don’t North have perfectly filled a need with possibly the best swingman. Everyone wanted them to go tall they did at their second pick. I don’t see the issue. Only thing is they hope it’s better than when Carlton did and traded the bloke out a few years later

 

[blaisee]

Of course hindsight will be the best judge.

history tells you it’s a very big risk. They have given up a pick between 3 - 12 for 27 and a pick next year that will be about 28 - 31 given how compromised next year is.

That’s well below the standard average for a trade of that sort and will look jarring if the Roos don’t have a great year next year.

It will be the difference between Matt Whitlock and whomever will be available at their F1 that defines the success of the trade. Richmond’s f2 will always just feel like the steak knives

its the risk you have to take when your draft strategy is a mess

It was so predictable, yet you refused to acknowledge it

Nth made their bed, now they have to sleep in it

 

[LukeParkerno1]

its the risk you have to take when your draft strategy is a mess

It was so predictable, yet you refused to acknowledge it

Nth made their bed, now they have to sleep in it

Their strategy was fine take the best talent at 2, on no planet was any KPP worth pick 2. Traded in for a sliding key position did they pay overs maybe but it’s hardly a shocking trade

 

[blaisee]

Their strategy was fine take the best talent at 2, on no planet was any KPP worth pick 2. Traded in for a sliding key position did they pay overs maybe but it’s hardly a shocking trade

The strategy of going into the draft with Pick 2 and 64 was ridiculous

Further compounded by the fact that Pick 2 was on the market for weeks, and eventually spent for a mid

Further compounded by the real need and desperation for a tall, confirmed through trading what bookies currently see as a top 4 pick in 2025 for Pick 27 in 2024, and second round pick in 2025

This is the stuff that in the real world, people get sacked for

But hey Nth fans can hope on Whitlock being the next Wayne Carey so this all makes sense

It was predictable weeks away, they put themselves in a corner, and made a massive mess, and then paid a huge price to try and fix it